Good first half. Is it just me, or has Butler actually gotten away with a ton of fouls that haven't been called? They seem to be like Wisconsin in that they foul on every defensive possession but got called on few of them.
Quote from: Norm on April 05, 2010, 09:34:46 PM
Good first half. Is it just me, or has Butler actually gotten away with a ton of fouls that haven't been called? They seem to be like Wisconsin in that they foul on every defensive possession but got called on few of them.
Also a lot like Duke.
Yeah, the refs are letting them play. Guess I'm just watching Butler a little closer since I haven't seen them play much this year. I can see why they went undefeated in Horizon league - they have far more talent than the rest of their league.
Well, Duke definitely got a call there - should not have been a charge on Hayward.
Got away with a goal tend too; the two bad calls/no calls resulted in 5 dook points.
Can't stand to see how dook complains about EVERY call......refs are the difference right now....typical dook game.
Just watch the cry baby Chris Collins...a lot like his Dad, alway crying for a call.
Guys, Butler has been the beneficiary of plenty of non-calls tonight. Kellogg commented on two plays where Hayward should have been called for a foul and wasn't. By the way, Butler has shot more free throws than Duke tonight. 14-3 in the 2nd half in favor of Butler.
Jimmy Butler would have hit that shot.
Ugh. Can't stand Duke.
Great game. If Hayward stays at Butler they are going to make another deep run in the NCAA's next year. Stevens is a great coach.
Did anyone see that pick Haywood set on the last play? Looked like the Duke player ran into a brick wall.
Butler. Wow. Amazing run.
I can't believe Duke is the national champion. They don't look that good yet they win.
Quote from: NumenFlumenque on April 05, 2010, 10:36:13 PM
Jimmy Butler would have hit that shot.
Exactly what I was thinking! Very Jimmy Butler-esque. Too bad it didn't work out for them. Duke stinks, can't stand 'em, but oh well.
Great game! I mean you really could not ask anything more from a National Title game.
Incredible game.
If that last heave by Hayward had gone in he would have never had to pay for a drink in the State of Indiana again.
Quote from: MUCrew on April 05, 2010, 10:43:43 PM
Great game! I mean you really could not ask anything more from a National Title game.
Agreed. A ton better than last years game.
Stevens is a heck of a coach. So mild mannered and in control, like his players.
Interesting watching him, I've seen a few animated spurts but still is extremely stoic.
Stevens is a heck of a coach. Butler plays great D, which can take a team very far.
im so pissed
I hope this Jennifer Hudson version of One Shining Moment is a one and done. Not good at all.
Quote from: Norm on April 05, 2010, 10:46:19 PM
If that last heave by Hayward had gone in he would have never had to pay for a drink in the State of Indiana again.
As we left the bar I said if that went in it would have been the most replayed shot in the history of sports. Man I wish that would have gone in.
If it was MU - Butler, it would have gone in. Can you imagine how entertaining this board would have been?
I would hope if MU was in the championship this board would be totally dead. Any self-respecting MU fan will be AT the final four, not sitting in front of their computer typing about it.
The only times I have watched Butler is the last 4 games they played. They are the most aggressive hackers I have ever seen. There defensive strategy seems to be grab until it is called. I was completely neutral last night but thought the officials could have fouled out the entire Butler team. But they were consistent. It was a very physical game, but I thought Butler was just a bunch of hacks.
Incredible run by Butler. Great game with lots of drama. But watching 4 straight games now of theirs (Butler) where the offense of both teams is so bad...is just not great television. Call it great defense all you want but to me the game last night looked more like a 2-7 game at noon on the first Sat of the tournament.
Avery Jukes - OMG, I thought/hoped I'd never hear that name again. He was on the Alabama squad that knocked out MU a few years back in round one.
Close game between two very well coached teams, but not a great game. Lots of missed layups and bunnies, particularly by Butler. Butler's Howard is the master of the old school post moves, but they would be a lot better if he could make the 5 footer at the end of them.
Officiating gets tougher and tougher as the years progress (well maybe not tougher, but it has evolved in ways that make the today's game look a lot different than it did 30 years ago). A lot of Butler's great defense is used to be called "reaching" and was usually called a foul, and a lot of Duke's great offensive rebounding is plain ol' "over the back" and also used to be fouls. I have a hard time blaming officials for things because the officiating has changed so much that it's hard to tell what is and isn't a foul. It seems to be much more art than science these days.
I root against Duke mostly because they turned the wimpy "draw the charge" instead of "trying to block the shot" (which is much more entertaining) into an art form. Well, that and their "regardless of what happens on the floor, we're better than you" attitude. But watching them last night and throughout this tournament they did a lot more challenging of shots and played more straight up good defense. I still hate 'em, they got a too easy road, etc., but they were still a deserving champ. And Singler, Smith and Scheyer are great college players, and hard not to like except for the uniforms.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2010, 06:04:38 AM
The only times I have watched Butler is the last 4 games they played. They are the most aggressive hackers I have ever seen. There defensive strategy seems to be grab until it is called. I was completely neutral last night but thought the officials could have fouled out the entire Butler team. But they were consistent. It was a very physical game, but I thought Butler was just a bunch of hacks.
I don't know if I'd say they were just a bunch of hacks, but they definitely got away with a lot of fouls, as I pointed out in the initial post of this thread. Kudos to them though for making it that far.
Why intentiaonally miss the last free throw? With 3.6 seconds left the other team basically has to shoot a three so why intentionally give your team only a two point lead? try to make the three and then worst case you are tied and go to OT. Dumb play I understand the clock starts but even if he makes it Butler or any team basically runs the same play or a deeper pass where a guy has to take a heavily defended deeper than normal rushed 3.
Dumb play.
I thought it was a decent game for a January night , but when was the last time a titel game had so many non pros. A game in the 50's. Duke handled Butler poorly and put up poor shots. Sheyer took a bunch of dumb shots, someone needs to tell them a fade away 18 footer off a curl is not a good shot.
I thought it was a terrible game because it was so low scoring...like a Big 10 game. Only high scoring games are interesting.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 06, 2010, 09:12:05 AM
I thought it was a terrible game because it was so low scoring...like a Big 10 game. Only high scoring games are interesting.
Bo cooled on scoring points?
It was low scoring because no one could finish. Real entertaining.
Quote from: butchbadger on April 06, 2010, 09:12:05 AM
I thought it was a terrible game because it was so low scoring...like a Big 10 game. Only high scoring games are interesting.
It was low scoring because both teams played great defense, even though the game was high tempo, just like the Badger vs Cornell game
I was waiting for the first whiny little Badger coming over, spouting the "we play like that too, why don't you like us?" Congrats......
Is it my imagination or was Zar's final shot against Washington from the same spot as HAYWARD's last night? Talk about foreshadowing!
Simply pointing out the frequent stupidity of judging the quality of any basketball game by the number of points scored. Many fans here must think the D league is the greatest.
And Indee I know enough about basketball to know that UW doesn't play defense or offense anything like those teams style-wise.
edit. deleted for not having read the whole threat like the hypocrite i am.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on April 06, 2010, 09:11:41 AM
Why intentiaonally miss the last free throw? With 3.6 seconds left the other team basically has to shoot a three so why intentionally give your team only a two point lead? try to make the three and then worst case you are tied and go to OT. Dumb play I understand the clock starts but even if he makes it Butler or any team basically runs the same play or a deeper pass where a guy has to take a heavily defended deeper than normal rushed 3.
Dumb play.
I thought it was a decent game for a January night , but when was the last time a titel game had so many non pros. A game in the 50's. Duke handled Butler poorly and put up poor shots. Sheyer took a bunch of dumb shots, someone needs to tell them a fade away 18 footer off a curl is not a good shot.
+1
Why on earth miss that last free throw intentionally with 3.6 seconds left? I could see if there was under 2 seconds or something, but there was enough time for Hayward to get across the mid-court stripe and get a decent shot off. Would have loved to see him hit it, and then see what the reaction to Coach K's decision would have been like......
Quote from: butchbadger on April 06, 2010, 09:46:48 AM
Simply pointing out the frequent stupidity of judging the quality of any basketball game by the number of points scored. Many fans here must think the D league is the greatest.
And Indee I know enough about basketball to know that UW doesn't play defense or offense anything like those teams style-wise.
Butch I had no rpobelm with the score the score was simply an indicator of the game ..in the sense that there were very few pros out there. And as you know it takes pros to score, so you can better understand your two most likely pros in LEuer and Hughes are often the ones that need to score, in fact they are the best players and have the best ability to put themselves in a postion to score and then execute. The court was full of guys last night that could not score. Was the defense good sure but there were also alot of guys that could not score. Simply compare that to last year or years in the past when there are literally 5-6-7-8-9 future NBA players or lottery picks on the court at any one time. Those guys can get shots and score them.
bottom line is there was not that much talent on the floor and the score was very low. Now if you take that persoanlly I am sorry. i just did not think there was very much talent on the floor apparently some people relish those types of games. Additonally, i think Duke really hurt themselves with bad shot selection 2 or 3 different stretches Duke ( once in the first and then a couple in the second half) had 5 or 6 point leads and came down and put up 2-3-4 stupid turnaround fade aways in a row that led to Butler climing back in. Duke could have finished them off a few times and took bad shots.