Neither is in danger of being one and done players. But, anyone remember Buzz "instructing" Mbao to guard the inbound play earlier in the year and he had to show him to wave his arms at the player tossing the ball in play? Clearly Yous is a "beginner" at basketball.
On the other hand, Mills at least understands basketball. Not gifted by any means, but can set a pick, roll to the hoop, ect. Put him on a weight problem and in a couple of years, the dude will contribute. I'm not so sure #55 will ever "get it." I'd make an even trade, straight up, right now.
I'm sorry, but I'm tired of hearing of how Ben Mills is not BE quality and not deserving of being recruited by a big school. The kid is 7'2 and can play basketball. Granted, he's not the second coming of Shaq, but can you see him coming in at MU and giving us 15 minutes? We've got guys rotting on the bench, and we're getting killed inside with a 6'5 center and a 6'6 PF. Did you see the UCSB center make a serious impact against OSU? I'd take him on our team. Mills is worthy of one of our now-wasted scholarships, and his recruitment may now be open. Go get him Buzz.
Yous is on our team. Can we stop speculating on his replacement until we learn otherwise?
There is a reason why the ultimate white stiff school didn't go after him and why he commited to Boise state and why we didn't go after him. He is so weak and so soft it isn't even funny. I thought hartland parents had money to feed their kids. It is easy to dominate high school bball when your 7 feet but you need more than height atthe next level. Is not that hard to figure out people
Quote from: jaybird on March 20, 2010, 11:38:59 PM
I'm sorry, but I'm tired of hearing of how Ben Mills is not BE quality and not deserving of being recruited by a big school. The kid is 7'2 and can play basketball. Granted, he's not the second coming of Shaq, but can you see him coming in at MU and giving us 15 minutes?
No. Not a chance. He didn't play against a decent center the entire tournament and showed no decent skills outside of being tall. He'd get crushed in the BE.
One thing I don't understand is that fact that Yous played with professionals overseas right? That's why he had to sit out the games at the beginning of the year.
Who the hell are the professionals he was playing with and for how long?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 21, 2010, 12:01:57 AM
No. Not a chance. He didn't play against a decent center the entire tournament and showed no decent skills outside of being tall. He'd get crushed in the BE.
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Do you honestly think Yous has more upside? I don't. Mbao has 0 basketball IQ. Buzz' error in judgment was offering Yous instead of Mills. Mills potential for improvement is far greater seeing as they both are projects. At least Ben has been playing basketball most of his life.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2010, 07:45:58 AM
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Do you honestly think Yous has more upside? I don't. Mbao has 0 basketball IQ. Buzz' error in judgment was offering Yous instead of Mills. Mills potential for improvement is far greater seeing as they both are projects. At least Ben has been playing basketball most of his life.
I'm not saying Yous is the answer...but I'm not saying Mills is either. I'd rather have a kid like Kyle Kelm who can step outside and shoot the ball as a 6'11" poor-mans Steve Novak. Mills has little range...no real post moves...and no strength.
The other thing is, I really wish we wouldn't get all excited about what we see from kids in the WIAA tournament. Wisconsin is an average (at best) state when it comes to high level d1 talent. (It actually produces a lot of lower level d1 to d3 talent, which is why Stevens Point won another national title last night.) Watching a kid like Mills play well because he is tall can be a little misleading.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2010, 07:45:58 AM
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Do you honestly think Yous has more upside? I don't. Mbao has 0 basketball IQ. Buzz' error in judgment was offering Yous instead of Mills. Mills potential for improvement is far greater seeing as they both are projects. At least Ben has been playing basketball most of his life.
Thats the point. Mills has been playing most of his life, yous has not therefore more upside and potential development for Yous. How can you tell anything from Yous based on the short few minutes he played before being injured. He looked pretty athletic and ran wel for a 7 footer in the games he played.
I had a chance to see Mills play several times this season including last night. He is marshmellow soft and should have done much more given he had 6 inches or more on most of his defenders.
Having seen a little of Yous and his athleticism, I'd take him at this point any day. Sure he's a project, but with greater upside potential. He's here for 3 more years. We don't need him to hit outside shots for us. Let's see what strides he makes this summer.
Mbao is clearly more athletic than Mills. No rap against Mills. Both have potential with time. Mills could use a prep school year for seasoning. Mbao clearly needs a redshirt year. Both are projects.
Barring farming out Mbao to a JUCO for intense playing time there are no scholarships open. If one did open I would use it on some big who is Big East ready not a project.
Mbao is extremely smart and because of that I hold out hope that this off season will mean a significant improvement. As things stand now Mbao, Otule and Eric Williams are the only roster players that I see playing the power forward/center position for Marquette in 10-11. Jae Crowder can play somewhat of a Lazar Hayward role but lets face it can we really expect someone stepping in an replacing one of the school's all time greats.
Can Otule's feet hold up for an entire season? Will he be servicable? Eric may be the wildcard.
Perhaps Marquette can spread things out again. Bulter, Crowder and Fulce have a high ceiling. Who would have thought that Acker and Cubillan would have the kind of final go around that they had. Was this an accident? How much credit should the coaching staff have for their development? Is this level of player development something we can expect?
Is this thread about which marginal big man we should have?
I don't want to get into comparing Yous to Mills, but if Mills gets a redshirt year, 2 more years to develop, I think he's the type of player that could really help us by his Jr. and Sr. years. He's not dominant right now, and probably never will be, but he was much better than I expected watching him last night.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 21, 2010, 09:33:15 AM
Is this thread about which marginal big man we should have?
Yes.
IMHO, the top of Fulce's head is scraping his ceiling and Butler isn't far from his.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 21, 2010, 08:00:30 AM
I'm not saying Yous is the answer...but I'm not saying Mills is either. I'd rather have a kid like Kyle Kelm who can step outside and shoot the ball as a 6'11" poor-mans Steve Novak. Mills has little range...no real post moves...and no strength.
The other thing is, I really wish we wouldn't get all excited about what we see from kids in the WIAA tournament. Wisconsin is an average (at best) state when it comes to high level d1 talent. (It actually produces a lot of lower level d1 to d3 talent, which is why Stevens Point won another national title last night.) Watching a kid like Mills play well because he is tall can be a little misleading.
I don't disagree. Give me DeMarcus Cousins any day. My point is Buzz and staff scholied Yous. What were they thinking? I think Mills would have been a better option/risk than Mbao.
Also, I agree, for the most part on WI kids. In fact, Blue sucked balls last night, and I've been one of his drum beaters. Aren't the Koch brothers, of NIU, from WI? It happens that some of these kids can develop.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 21, 2010, 12:03:06 AM
One thing I don't understand is that fact that Yous played with professionals overseas right? That's why he had to sit out the games at the beginning of the year.
Who the hell are the professionals he was playing with and for how long?
Did they ever say he played with professional basketball players? For all we know, he may have played in a league with professional waiters, professional artists, professional plumbers, or the like.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2010, 10:01:52 AM
Did they ever say he played with professional basketball players? For all we know, he may have played in a league with professional waiters, professional artists, professional plumbers, or the like.
I dont know how "professional" his team was. I do know this...Foreign teams that have a player that is thinking of going to play college bball in the United States, will pay some other members of the team, even if they arent a "professional" team...because they know it will affect his NCAA eligibility.
I've never seen Mills play, so I can't comment, but I can say that I really like the way Yous moves. He moves really well for a 7' 2" guy, which to me means he has upside.
Also, being 7'2" is an insane advantage. If Ousmane has the exact same abilities, but was 7'2", he would have been an awesome college player.
You cannot underestimate the impact of an athletic big man who can alter shots.
Yous isn't there right now. BUT, he has upside. I would even consider a redshirt if the roster situation would allow it.
Both need a lot of work so I would go with Yous because he is already at MU. We are not going to get a stud big men. We need to develop them and Yous can work with our coaches right now so he has a quicker chance of giving us production probably in 2 years.
I wouldn't mind getting Mills, he will be a solid player 4 years down the road but unfortunately we don't have a scholarship to offer him one. I don't want Yous to leave as I think he is 2-3 years away from being solid.
If both were high school seniors right now, I would probably take Mills. Great work ethic from what I hear and it would be cool to stick it UW when Mills out produces Anderson.
I was watching the game last night and I thought the announcers mentioned that Mills is headed to Boise State. If that's right, isn't this a non-issue?
Quote from: kaps77 on March 21, 2010, 12:18:29 PM
I was watching the game last night and I thought the announcers mentioned that Mills is headed to Boise State. If that's right, isn't this a non-issue?
Boise State coach got fired after season. Because of that, there is a chance Mills gets let out of his LOI and opens his recruitment back up.
Ive seen Mills play numerous times this year, including twice against our high school. When you let borderline 6'5'' kids push you out to the perimeter and cannot finish off with a shot 3 feet from the basket, there is no way in hell he should even be considered by Marquette. He's soft, not athletic, and uses his size TERRIBLY.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on March 21, 2010, 12:21:23 PM
Boise State coach got fired after season. Because of that, there is a chance Mills gets let out of his LOI and opens his recruitment back up.
And there's no chance he is considered by MU, and there is no way he has the upside that Yous has, and there's no way he will ever be a factor in the BEAST, and....
OK, I can accept that after someone makes a definitive argument, based upon what we have seen and know about Yous, that he is a better option than Mills. I repeat, Buzz had to instruct him to jump and wave his arms when defending the inbound pass. That's Basketball 101.
" My point is Buzz and staff scholied Yous. What were they thinking? I think Mills would have been a better option/risk than Mbao"
The only problem with this analysis is that MBao and Mills aren't in the same class so it wasn't either/or.
If you want to complain that we shouldn't have offered Yous fine.....but that has nothing to do with Mills.
MU looked at Mills and dcecided he was't good enough for whatever reason....no other major colleges offered the kid so he picked Boise State.
Evaluating Bigs is the hardest thing coaches have to do in recruiting because for most of them you are trying to judge how good they can be if they develope in 2 or 3 years.
Yous may never make it but MU rolled the dice on him because of his height and athleticsm.
Time will tell on Mills.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2010, 01:26:42 PM
OK, I can accept that after someone makes a definitive argument, based upon what we have seen and know about Yous, that he is a better option than Mills. I repeat, Buzz had to instruct him to jump and wave his arms when defending the inbound pass. That's Basketball 101.
Maybe some of us believe that Buzz has a better grasp on who to offer scholarships to than you. His track record is pretty decent. I'm not sure how your credentials compare.
Mills was celebrating after making a free throw to make the game 1-0. Seriously.
Pass.