Jae Crowder scored 24 points to lead Howard to a 68-64 win over E Utah. Howard trailed 63-47 with 3:58 left but ended the game on a 21-1 run.
Scouting report on Crowder - smooth and skilled offensive player who can score inside and outside. Passes and handles well. Not a great athlete or leaper. Not a great inside defender or rebounder.
Crowder and Howard play in the NJCAA championship tomorrow.
Sounds like Crowder and Howard channeled U-Dub. :/
If Crowder is not a great inside defender or rebounder what role will he have for the team?
QuoteScouting report on Crowder - smooth and skilled offensive player who can score inside and outside. Passes and handles well. Not a great athlete or leaper. Not a great inside defender or rebounder.
uhhhhhh... this is a bit disconcerting...
seems to do everything well yet isnt athletic nor can play inside? how does he do all these good things?
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 19, 2010, 11:12:29 PM
uhhhhhh... this is a bit disconcerting...
seems to do everything well yet isnt athletic nor can play inside? how does he do all these good things?
I watched some of the recorded game. It seems that he is more used in a perimeter role, which may skew the MUBurrow's opinion on his inside abilities. I thought he looked very good as a perimeter defender, and I don't see why Burrow doesn't think he is a good jumper *(he may not leap out at you, but it is certainly not some weakness).
He honestly just doesn't look as big as maybe I was expecting, but I don't get any impression that he won't be able to be an asset inside, especially offensively. I didn't see him get enough chances of guarding inside to make a judgment on whether he was good at that or not. This is still JUCO, and his teammates didn't help him with some poor shots and in general not being good shooters inside and out.
I wouldn't jump to too many conclusions...as long as we have Otule back as a solid contributor and Erik Williams (who honestly looks 6'8) makes some nice strides - especially as a defender b/c he came in as a great shot blocker from HS - over the off-season we will still be more improved inside than we have been in a while...just makes me wish for McMorrow again.
But the kid looks like he has some weight to throw around unlike Otule, EWill, Mbao, etc.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 19, 2010, 11:43:29 PM
But the kid looks like he has some weight to throw around unlike Otule, EWill, Mbao, etc.
Ill give you Mbao and EWill, but Otule definitely has weight to throw around..250lbs+
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 19, 2010, 10:12:26 PM
Howard trailed 63-47 with 3:58 left but ended the game on a 21-1 run.
Wow, how bad does it have to suck to be up by 16 with less than 4 minutes left and lose when the other team goes on a 21-1 run.
QuoteI watched some of the recorded game. It seems that he is more used in a perimeter role, which may skew the MUBurrow's opinion on his inside abilities. I thought he looked very good as a perimeter defender, and I don't see why Burrow doesn't think he is a good jumper *(he may not leap out at you, but it is certainly not some weakness).
Don't kill the messenger, I've never seen the kid and was just responding to an earlier analysis. Its just hard for me to picture a guy that lacks a lot of requisite physical talents being in a position to make great basketball plays. If he's going to get a bunch of perimeter time, I'm just pumped for the Junior and Crowder stocky, tankish backcourt. Sweet offensive set idea, have those two bring it up, then just flip flop our front and backcourt. Post those dudes up.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 19, 2010, 11:12:29 PM
uhhhhhh... this is a bit disconcerting...
seems to do everything well yet isnt athletic nor can play inside? how does he do all these good things?
uhhhhhh....he does the following things well - dribble, shoot, pass and play within himself. In other word he is an outstanding and smart BASKETBALL player.
He is not, however, a great athlete. He doesn't jump out of the gym nor is he what I would call overpowering.
That you find these qualities somehow contradictory speaks not to their inaccuracy but to a general lack of basketball understanding on your part.
Oh, and I never said he "couldn't play inside". He is very good offensively both inside and out. And he'll get some rebounds. But from what I saw he's not the answer to our difficuties on the glass.
Btw: It sounds just like lazar when he got to mu. Is not a great athlete can score inside and out and they always
question defense when you are a average athlete.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 20, 2010, 12:42:45 AM
Don't kill the messenger, I've never seen the kid and was just responding to an earlier analysis. Its just hard for me to picture a guy that lacks a lot of requisite physical talents being in a position to make great basketball plays. If he's going to get a bunch of perimeter time, I'm just pumped for the Junior and Crowder stocky, tankish backcourt. Sweet offensive set idea, have those two bring it up, then just flip flop our front and backcourt. Post those dudes up.
Agreed to a point. I just guess I disagree that he doesn't have the physical skills. He's pretty quick for his size, can run, and can adequately jump-I really don't see where you don't think he has the jumping skills (he may not be Fulce but he can do a lot more by himself than he can). He doesn't need to be a great jumper to be solid.
Crowder at the 3 would be really interesting though. Hopefully in 2011-12 We could see something like Otule, EWill, Jones, Crowder, and Blue sometimes (I don't think Buzz would balk at using Blue sometimes as a point to go bigger in a lineup, especially until Smith is really ready to prove otherwise)
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 20, 2010, 12:42:45 AM
Don't kill the messenger, I've never seen the kid and was just responding to an earlier analysis. Its just hard for me to picture a guy that lacks a lot of requisite physical talents being in a position to make great basketball plays. If he's going to get a bunch of perimeter time, I'm just pumped for the Junior and Crowder stocky, tankish backcourt. Sweet offensive set idea, have those two bring it up, then just flip flop our front and backcourt. Post those dudes up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_oSQxP8FwM
Quote from: mu77vegas on March 19, 2010, 11:12:04 PM
If Crowder is not a great inside defender or rebounder what role will he have for the team?
Hope he's not a 2, like JMay.
Quote from: mu77vegas on March 19, 2010, 11:12:04 PM
If Crowder is not a great inside defender or rebounder what role will he have for the team?
If this analysis is correct, we can start 6 guards next year!
From viewing the youtube he sure can shoot the three. When will we get a power forward?
Against Walters State he played the inside almost the entire game.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on March 20, 2010, 12:52:40 AM
Btw: It sounds just like lazar when he got to mu. Is not a great athlete can score inside and out and they always
question defense when you are a average athlete.
Bingo.
He looks like a 2/3 to me.
You knuckleheads can just go here and form your own opinions on Crowder.
http://panhandle.ezstream.com/play/index.cfm?fuseaction=asx&broadcastid=1618D1F7CF&dsplvl=affil&rand=4789&resize=0&intro=1&Org=panhandle&CFID=5494317&CFTOKEN=88827096&CFID=5494317&CFTOKEN=88827096 (http://panhandle.ezstream.com/play/index.cfm?fuseaction=asx&broadcastid=1618D1F7CF&dsplvl=affil&rand=4789&resize=0&intro=1&Org=panhandle&CFID=5494317&CFTOKEN=88827096&CFID=5494317&CFTOKEN=88827096)
QuoteThat you find these qualities somehow contradictory speaks not to their inaccuracy but to a general lack of basketball understanding on your part.
Geez man, why are you always in such a hurry to say that no one else can know anything about the game. Settle down, its getting really old.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 20, 2010, 01:00:48 PM
Geez man, why are you always in such a hurry to say that no one else can know anything about the game. Settle down, its getting really old.
I say (after watching him play - which evidently you never have) that he's not a GREAT athlete or a GREAT inside defender or rebounder. I didn't say he WASN'T an athlete or that he COULDN"T play inside. You misstating the facts won't change them but it is getting really old.
You don't think a forward whose not a GREAT athlete or inside defender can be a good basketball player. I think you're wrong.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 20, 2010, 02:19:46 PM
I say (after watching him play - which evidently you never have) that he's not a GREAT athlete or a GREAT inside defender or rebounder. I didn't say he WASN'T an athlete or that he COULDN"T play inside. You misstating the facts won't change them but it is getting really old.
You don't think a forward whose not a GREAT athlete or inside defender can be a good basketball player. I think you're wrong.
I did see him play, (granted it was only one game) and i do agree with what you are saying. I don't see him as a dominating inside force and rebounder. I think he can be an adequate rebounder. He has a solid body and looks like he has great court sense and basketball IQ. Looks very fluid and natural in the offense. I bet he turns out to be a very good player a lot like Lazar, good shooter smart player can go inside and out.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 20, 2010, 02:19:46 PM
I say (after watching him play - which evidently you never have) that he's not a GREAT athlete or a GREAT inside defender or rebounder. I didn't say he WASN'T an athlete or that he COULDN"T play inside. You misstating the facts won't change them but it is getting really old.
We're ALL athletes and we all COULD play inside, we're just not very good athletes and wouldn't be very good at it.
See, isn't it annoying when someone takes a snippet of your post and exaggerates it? No one was trying to get chippy with you dude, it just gets annoying when you make something out of nothing.
QuoteI say (after watching him play - which evidently you never have) that he's not a GREAT athlete or a GREAT inside defender or rebounder. I didn't say he WASN'T an athlete or that he COULDN"T play inside. You misstating the facts won't change them but it is getting really old.
You don't think a forward whose not a GREAT athlete or inside defender can be a good basketball player. I think you're wrong.
I don't have a vested interest in whether you're right or wrong, I was legitimately asking a question. I was curious how he gets into position to go to his strengths. Eg: guys who aren't great athletes (especially 3-4 types) aren't typically characterized as really good dribblers because they don't handle a ton. Sorry that that speaks to how basketball ignorant I am.
I am glad you told me what I think though, because having never seen him, even I didn't know that, so it was good you saved me the time of having to look into it for myself. More than that, you enlightened me as to what I think a good basketball player is, so you saved me a deep analytical crisis as well.
Question i dont really feel like taking the time to look up as a result of the thursday loss still stinging. Will Crowder be a soph or junior?
He will be a Junior.
Alright thanks. I just watched a highlight vid of him, and boy can he stroke it from deep. I hope he is able to produce a good amount next year. We will need him to help replace Zar.
Any info on his impact during this incredible 21-1 finish?
Wow - that youtube vid really highliughts what a smooth 3 point shot Crowder has - I think they were all uncontested, but he has the stroke, which will be handy nesxt year without Lazar, Cubbie and Mo.
That was my point after watching the youtube. He can stroke it but it looks like he is our seventh guard. We need a glass eating power forward...! A true 4!
I think people will be very disappointed if they think this guy will be a stud player on par with DJO or Butler. If he is an inside version of Buycks, then it's a good signing. The incoming class has 4 frosh and 1 JUCO. Had to get some balance into the DJO class, which now had 2 slots.
Buycks and Crowder are nice players to have around during a coaching transition. They play right away, eat up minutes, can transition to D-1 faster than a frosh and even up recruting classes. On the downside, their ceiling is low and 4 years of that talent level would not be a good use of that schollie. The nice thing is that after they do this for two years they are gone and the schollies are freed up for a higher ceiling 4-yr player. Bottom line, such players let a new coach develop and implement his system faster.
If Crowder in his MU career can do 20 min, 6 points, 5 boards and guard in a non-embarassing manner (not foul out in 15 minutes) then I will be happy with the signing. Such a player will take a ton of pressure off Otule, Fulce, Williams, Butler and Mbao (if he sniffs the floor).
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 20, 2010, 10:05:03 PM
I think people will be very disappointed if they think this guy will be a stud player on par with DJO or Butler. If he is an inside version of Buycks, then it's a good signing. The incoming class has 4 frosh and 1 JUCO. Had to get some balance into the DJO class, which now had 2 slots.
Buycks and Crowder are nice players to have around during a coaching transition. They play right away, eat up minutes, can transition to D-1 faster than a frosh and even up recruting classes. On the downside, their ceiling is low and 4 years of that talent level would not be a good use of that schollie. The nice thing is that after they do this for two years they are gone and the schollies are freed up for a higher ceiling 4-yr player. Bottom line, such players let a new coach develop and implement his system faster.
If Crowder in his MU career can do 20 min, 6 points, 5 boards and guard in a non-embarassing manner (not foul out in 15 minutes) then I will be happy with the signing. If he can do 12 points and 7 boards I would be ecstatic. Such a player will take a ton of pressure off Otule, Fulce, Williams, Butler and Mbao (if he sniffs the floor).