http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=5008933
So of the open 3 BE jobs (DePaul, St. John's, Seton Hall), which is the most appealing at this point?
To be honest, they are pretty much equally bad. St.John's is probably the top turd on the dungpile though.
Need to make space for Ronald Roberts.
If he's opening it up with Norm fired, he's the exact 6'8'' inside player we've been looking for in years. Would complement our guards very well. Can get up and down the court smoothly. Has a rebounding mentality. Good frame for added weight and strength.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on March 19, 2010, 10:01:53 AM
Need to make space for Ronald Roberts.
If he's opening it up with Norm fired, he's the exact 6'8'' inside player we've been looking for in years. Would complement our guards very well. Can get up and down the court smoothly. Has a rebounding mentality. Good frame for added weight and strength.
Even if he were to open it up, he couldn't come here. Big East conference rules state that if you sign an LOI with one Big East school, you are permanently ineligible to ever play for another Big East school....even if you never play for the original school. He signed his LOI to St. John's on November 18th, so he's either going to St. John's or outside the conference.
And he's 6'6 not 6'8.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 19, 2010, 09:46:57 AM
To be honest, they are pretty much equally bad. St.John's is probably the top turd on the dungpile though.
I think that is being a little rough. St. John's is 7th all time in NCAA wins (more than us). Have things changed? Sure. Are New Yorker's fickle about showing up to games? Absolutely. Could one question the administration's commitment? I guess... not an expert on the individuals involved.
Neverthless, St. John's has tremendous potential. 24,000 in enrollment (twice ours). If you are good, people will show up in droves. The tradition is certainly there. You have MSG and the largest city and market in the country.
It would be a battle to some degree but if they get a decent coach... look out.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 19, 2010, 11:04:05 AM
I think that is being a little rough. St. John's is 7th all time in NCAA wins (more than us). Have things changed? Sure. Are New Yorker's fickle about showing up to games? Absolutely. Could one question the administration's commitment? I guess... not an expert on the individuals involved.
Neverthless, St. John's has tremendous potential. 24,000 in enrollment (twice ours). If you are good, people will show up in droves. The tradition is certainly there. You have MSG and the largest city and market in the country.
It would be a battle to some degree but if they get a decent coach... look out.
All three schools have history and potential. St. Johns probably more than the other two. But none of them has done jack squat in 20 years, outside of SJU's elite 8 run under Mike Jarvis...whose actions got the team on probation. Eventually you have to come to the conclusion that maybe that potential really is a little overstated when a handful of coaches at all three places never go anywhere.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 19, 2010, 11:14:39 AM
All three schools have history and potential. St. Johns probably more than the other two. But none of them has done jack squat in 20 years, outside of SJU's elite 8 run under Mike Jarvis...whose actions got the team on probation. Eventually you have to come to the conclusion that maybe that potential really is a little overstated when a handful of coaches at all three places never go anywhere.
We hadn't done squat in about 10 years either but I would not have used the term "dungpile" in reference to the Marquette job.. Terminology difference I guess.
Quote from: bma725 on March 19, 2010, 10:31:30 AM
Even if he were to open it up, he couldn't come here. Big East conference rules state that if you sign an LOI with one Big East school, you are permanently ineligible to ever play for another Big East school....even if you never play for the original school. He signed his LOI to St. John's on November 18th, so he's either going to St. John's or outside the conference.
And he's 6'6 not 6'8.
Tough rule. We could use him.
I've seen Roberts play over 10 times at St. Peter's and have spoken with him. He's a legit 6'8''. He'll do well.
St. John's without a doubt in my opinion.
They have a bunch of seniors coming back next year. They played a lot of teams very tough. New York city benefits. Whomever they hire, they have a shot to make the NCAA next year and should be an upper division Big East team. That is likely one of the reasons they fired Roberts....the new coach can use that as a springboard (a successful year next season) for better things because the team he inherits will be competitive.
I'd give St. John's a 60-40 chance to make the NCAA tournament next year.
new coach for St. Johns, two words........ PATRICK CHEWING
BMA...do other conferences have rules like the Big East, regarding LOIs?
Quote from: GOMU1104 on March 19, 2010, 01:38:56 PM
BMA...do other conferences have rules like the Big East, regarding LOIs?
It varies from conference to conference. None that are as strict as the Big East, at least as far as I can tell.
The ACC let's you do it, but you have to sit two years and lose a year of eligibility. The Big 10 lets you do it, but you can't be on scholarship at the new school. The SEC allows it, but says you can't be on scholarship for two years. The A-10 let's you transfer, but you have to sit two years instead of one. The PAC 10 let's you do it, but you lose a year of eligibility.
Of course, all of these conferences allow appeals which can get the penalty removed depending upon circumstance. The Big East does not allow any appeals.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 19, 2010, 11:04:05 AM
I think that is being a little rough. St. John's is 7th all time in NCAA wins (more than us). Have things changed? Sure. Are New Yorker's fickle about showing up to games? Absolutely. Could one question the administration's commitment? I guess... not an expert on the individuals involved.
Neverthless, St. John's has tremendous potential. 24,000 in enrollment (twice ours). If you are good, people will show up in droves. The tradition is certainly there. You have MSG and the largest city and market in the country.
It would be a battle to some degree but if they get a decent coach... look out.
SJU is in a world of hurt anyway u look at it. Beyond the lack of an institutional commitment to the program SJU no longer has ready-made acess to talent.
The rise of prep schools on the East Coast has been devastating to St Johns. Most of the top tier NYC talent leaves the city to complete their high school work....more and more, players like Kadeem Jack and Lance Stephenson are the exception. With the public league and the Catholic schools hemorrhaging talent, St Johns now has to re-recruit local kids back 'home'. That's clearly been a tough sell and will continue to be a major roadblock in their return to greatness.
Oh, and SJU cant pay kids anymore because they have dorms. :P
plenty of "coaches" on here that would be qualified for any of the 3 jobs. most only come out after losses.
Quote from: NYWarrior on March 19, 2010, 02:13:33 PM
SJU is in a world of hurt anyway u look at it. Beyond the lack of an institutional commitment to the program SJU no longer has ready-made acess to talent.
The rise of prep schools on the East Coast has been devastating to St Johns. Most of the top tier NYC talent leaves the city to complete their high school work....more and more, players like Kadeem Jack and Lance Stephenson are the exception. With the public league and the Catholic schools hemorrhaging talent, St Johns now has to re-recruit local kids back 'home'. That's clearly been a tough sell and will continue to be a major roadblock in their return to greatness.
Nearly every private school has challenges. What I took issue with was stating St. John's was a "dung heap" of a job. I guess everyone is fine with hyperbole around here... I am too into semantics....
I need to start using "the worst" and "the best" and "the dumbest" around here more. :o
Comments I heard in NY during the BE tourney from people who follow St. John's closely suggest that Roberts was a stand-up guy who wouldn't kowtow to NY's AAU coaches. These folks characterized those amateur coaches as something of a shady set, perhaps even corrupt, they said. I have no way of knowing about that, but comments from some of these coaches in the NY Times article on the dismissal sure have a tone of self-importance about them: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/sports/ncaabasketball/20storm.html.
If anybody has any insight into the AAU coaches' community and culture in NYC, I'd love to read it.
You wanna recruit at a high level, you have to know who the right people are and get on their good side.
New York and Chicago are two areas of the country where recruiting success is dependent on having the AAU coaches on your side.
Quote from: NYWarrior on March 19, 2010, 02:13:33 PM
The rise of prep schools on the East Coast has been devastating to St Johns. Most of the top tier NYC talent leaves the city to complete their high school work....more and more, players like Kadeem Jack and Lance Stephenson are the exception. With the public league and the Catholic schools hemorrhaging talent, St Johns now has to re-recruit local kids back 'home'. That's clearly been a tough sell and will continue to be a major roadblock in their return to greatness.
I thought the local NYC kids all went back to their home school--Pittsburgh.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 19, 2010, 04:13:59 PM
Nearly every private school has challenges. What I took issue with was stating St. John's was a "dung heap" of a job. I guess everyone is fine with hyperbole around here... I am too into semantics....
The phrase "top turd on the dungpile" just means the best of bad choices. I find it odd that you would get so hung up on that word.
Quote from: MARQKC on March 19, 2010, 04:53:16 PM
Comments I heard in NY during the BE tourney from people who follow St. John's closely suggest that Roberts was a stand-up guy who wouldn't kowtow to NY's AAU coaches. These folks characterized those amateur coaches as something of a shady set, perhaps even corrupt, they said. I have no way of knowing about that, but comments from some of these coaches in the NY Times article on the dismissal sure have a tone of self-importance about them: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/sports/ncaabasketball/20storm.html.
If anybody has any insight into the AAU coaches' community and culture in NYC, I'd love to read it.
Dickie V just said on Sportscenter that former St. Johns star Mark Jackson should get the job and Digger mentioned Pete Gillen. The reason - they know the area high school coaches, mentioned Hurley and his school.