Just thought i would get the ball rolling. Lot of bailout calls for UW.
not going to go pure homer here. It is bad all the way around. This is the NCAA tourney, swallow the whistle and let them play.
a lot of off-ball fouls on us...I'm sure that 1/2 of 'em are retaliations from elbows from UW. Also, Zar was called for a moving screen and the very next play, UW player set a much worse moving screen that was a no call....
The block call on DJO that was actually a charge was a joke....referree wanted to please the majority Washington audience with an exciting and one call.....prior to that Jimmy had two no calls on him....also we spit too many free throws - need to knock them both down.
As I said in the other thread.... don't blame the refs. We are used to the Big East where you can hack away. You have to adjust. It is up to Buzz to tell them the game is being called tight and adjust.
If the fouls continue to pile up early in 2nd half we may have to play more zone... less fouling.
Quote from: Michaelindz on March 18, 2010, 07:53:47 PM
not going to go pure homer here. It is bad all the way around. This is the NCAA tourney, swallow the whistle and let them play.
Agree. Some head scratchers, but they went both ways. As far as ours, a moving screen on Hayward? He does that move, holding the position with .001 of a second consistency every game and hasn't been called that all year. Second one was the UW player going in out of control, trying to draw a foul rather than make the gimme basket and gliding through the air to try to land on DJO on the other side of the block. Can't call a foul on DJO on that.
Quote from: Michaelindz on March 18, 2010, 07:53:47 PM
not going to go pure homer here. It is bad all the way around. This is the NCAA tourney, swallow the whistle and let them play.
Agreed - the refs have to realize the game is about the players. Swallow the whistle.
Quote from: chapman on March 18, 2010, 08:00:37 PM
Agree. Some head scratchers, but they went both ways. As far as ours, a moving screen on Hayward? He does that move, holding the position with .001 of a second consistency every game and hasn't been called that all year. Second one was the UW player going in out of control, trying to draw a foul rather than make the gimme basket and gliding through the air to try to land on DJO on the other side of the block. Can't call a foul on DJO on that.
That was horrible! DJO was going away from the contact.
+10000
Classic
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2009-03-11-referees-tournament_N.htm
How is that not a walk!!!! He jump stops, then takes another step after hesitating to where he jumped from!! Foul on hayward - his third
Now....I'm starting to think the refs have money on the game. ?-(
These refs are threatening to really become a storyline in this game.
How was there NO foul on that ENTIRE series? Nothing when Cubi, Lazar, or Jimmy were shooting and getting hacked underneath?
THIS IS HORRIBLE!
Wow. Blame the refs, that is classic. You're coach pulled you out of your game when you were up big, as a UW fan I noticed that big time. You also quit playing D since your bench is so thin no one wants to get into foul trouble, you were NOT the aggressors, you can't afford to be, that's what happens when you play 6 players. UW runs 10 or 11 deep at times we can afford to be aggressive. Bottom line is that your coach pulled in the reigns at the wrong time.
The aggressors get the calls. Games are called that way from middle school through the pros. UW bumps and hacks and scratches and shoves and they get away with it because that's the way the play every possession. The PG rode Acker the whole game and didn't get called for a foul for it once. MU got passive when the calls started going against them and passiveness leads to fouls. End of story.
Quote from: DawgDentist on March 18, 2010, 09:25:05 PM
Wow. Blame the refs, that is classic. You're coach pulled you out of your game when you were up big, as a UW fan I noticed that big time. You also quit playing D since your bench is so thin no one wants to get into foul trouble, you were NOT the aggressors, you can't afford to be, that's what happens when you play 6 players. UW runs 10 or 11 deep at times we can afford to be aggressive. Bottom line is that your coach pulled in the reigns at the wrong time.
I'm sorry, you must not have missed the game. Multiple times I was shocked, mostly calls against us but also calls for us. Wishful thinking tells me that maybe Big East games are a little bit more physical but I might be a little bit biased. To go after anyone is unfair; it was a hard fought game on both sides and ultimately it came down to a player making a play at the right time. I can't say I expected anything other than a close game but this definitely wasn't on Buzz. What's worse, losing and complaining about officiating or winning and complaining about the opponent? Peace.
I didn't think it was called evenly. Seemed like it was either a Pac 10 crew or they just let the emotion of the crowd persuade them that UW was the home team. That said, we BLEW A 15 POINT LEAD with 12 minutes to go!
Quote from: what the fulce? on March 18, 2010, 09:53:56 PM
I'm sorry, you must not have missed the game. Multiple times I was shocked, mostly calls against us but also calls for us. Wishful thinking tells me that maybe Big East games are a little bit more physical but I might be a little bit biased.
I think you are right on both counts.... Closely called. Consistently called.
Quote from: chapman on March 18, 2010, 08:00:37 PM
Agree. Some head scratchers, but they went both ways. As far as ours, a moving screen on Hayward? He does that move, holding the position with .001 of a second consistency every game and hasn't been called that all year. Second one was the UW player going in out of control, trying to draw a foul rather than make the gimme basket and gliding through the air to try to land on DJO on the other side of the block. Can't call a foul on DJO on that.
your wrong. the calls did not go both ways!
Please someone explain how this game was called evenly? since some people think it was...i'm all eyes/ears
Quote from: universitypark on March 18, 2010, 10:16:17 PM
Please someone explain how this game was called evenly? since some people think it was...i'm all eyes/ears
+1, there is no argument but there are always fans who hate very thread about officiating....somehow trick themselves that NCAA refs aren't EXTREMELY influential in games, if not the most influential force at the end of a game
Quote from: universitypark on March 18, 2010, 10:16:17 PM
Please someone explain how this game was called evenly? since some people think it was...i'm all eyes/ears
How am I supposed to explain how the game was called evenly? Chicos mentioned it in another post. They called it close in the first half - let them play more in the second half. Yeah they missed some...they're human. However it wasn't ridiculously called or biased.
On the whole, I don't think it was all that bad.
I know I'll probably get raked across the coals for this, but here goes. I actually watched much of the game with Jerry Palm, and he made an interesting observation. There was a ticky tack reach on Acker late in the game, and he made the comment that it was a bad call considering the contact that was being allowed on the other end.
Again, take it for what it's worth, but that's the only call I heard a complaint about from a pretty unbiased source.
I don't blame the officials entirely, but they do have a certain amount of blame I cannot help but put on them. My biggest problem is people who somehow believing that officials in basketball (the sport most open for biased officiating BY FAR)are untouchable or should never be held accountable.
We have accepted crappy officiating for so long in basketball that its gotten too old to simply dismiss criticism....it shouldn't be an accepted part of the sport....name me another sport where the game is called completely differently depending on who is a ref and where it is played (I don't care if you like KU, but no team should be winning 58+ straight games at home).
The issue is not how bad they called it, the issue is they called it tighter than we were able to overcome. Once Fulce and Lazar had 3 fouls we were strapped which led to tenative defense. A team that goes 6-7 deep has NO MARGIN FOR ERROR, we cannot miss a rebound, we cannot get into any foul trouble. We were in foul trouble and at half time were on the verge of fouling ourselves right out of the game.
And for the record I feel we were totally jobbed by the refs because it was ticky tac Mid Major refing. totaly crap
Now if you want to complain about the refs, complain about the inconsistency from game to game. Big East refs to these refs. There needs to be something done, not sure what, but to ensure more consistency across NCAA. This game wasn't even consistent from the first half to the second.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 18, 2010, 09:58:03 PM
I think you are right on both counts.... Closely called. Consistently called.
Closely called? Occasionally. Consistently called? No!
I'm definitely not saying that the refs cost MU the game or that MU didn't get any calls, but no one in their right mind who watched that game would say that the officials were consistent. That has always been, and always will be, my biggest beef with officiating. If you're going to call it tight, call it tight. If you're going to let them play, let them play. That allows teams to adjust accordingly. It's unfair to both teams when you let checking and hacking go, but then call ticky-tack fouls. That's basically what this crew did tonight for both sides. A poorly officiated game does not necessarily mean that the refs favored one team. It often means nothing more than inconsistent calls. That hurts both teams.
Again, I am in no way saying that the officials favored UW or cost MU the game. I'm simply pointing out that it was a very inconsistent and poorly officiated game all around.
Exactly and then few BS ticky tac calls took our 6'5" center/alleverything/onlything right out of the game.
I thought there were a few bad calls but nothing more than usual.
I do think Maurice may be having Isaiah Thomas' baby as he was riding him all night.
Excuse me, but our PG who was riding Acker is Venoy Overton and he was on the bench w/ 2:00 left in the first half with 3 fouls...never called??? hardly. It was a good game.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 18, 2010, 09:48:07 PM
The aggressors get the calls. Games are called that way from middle school through the pros. UW bumps and hacks and scratches and shoves and they get away with it because that's the way the play every possession. The PG rode Acker the whole game and didn't get called for a foul for it once. MU got passive when the calls started going against them and passiveness leads to fouls. End of story.
Quote from: Harryhsky on March 19, 2010, 01:18:43 AM
Excuse me, but our PG who was riding Acker is Venoy Overton and he was on the bench w/ 2:00 left in the first half with 3 fouls...never called??? hardly. It was a good game.
My apologies. I should have said that he wasn't called for riding Acker the final 12-13 minutes. Either way, it proves my point about the inconsistency of the officiating.