On Sportscenter, one of the anchors had us on as an "Upset Alert". They said that Isaiah Thomas will be too difficult for us to handle. The other anchor chose the Clemson game as the upset. Not too sure what to think of it but I think our guards should be able to handle theirs.
What's with that anchor? Clemson game as the upset? The 7-10?
Jeez. Wanna pick any 8-9 games while you're at it, as long as you're being bold?
Would Isaiah Thomas even be one of the top 10 guards we have played this year? He is good, but we have seen this before. Villanova has probably 4 guards ahead of him (Reynolds, Fisher, Stokes, their freshman) so we are pretty well tested.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 17, 2010, 12:44:57 AM
Would Isaiah Thomas even be one of the top 10 guards we have played this year? He is good, but we have seen this before. Villanova has probably 4 guards ahead of him (Reynolds, Fisher, Stokes, their freshman) so we are pretty well tested.
The reason he causes so many problems is because he is left handed. He may or may not be better players than all those listed...but, how many quick lefties have you played against this year?
1..maybe 2....anyway you get my point....practice wise its impossible to prepare for a quick ultra talented left handed guard like Thomas...its why he was so successful his freshman year....this year, his sophmore year he kind of flattened out because many teams got used to him...but, for Marquette, it will be new and this is why he can be so frustrating to new opposition.
those idiots can blow me. obviously its a trendy upset pick.
Don't let it get in the head, we've seen MU play all season and we know what we are capable of.
This game has intrigue, but to be honest look at the seeding and you know it is over before it started.
well, DJO is a lfty, so it wont be too touhg to practice against
Quote from: boyonthedock on March 17, 2010, 01:09:29 AM
well, DJO is a lfty, so it wont be too touhg to practice against
Exactly my thinking....I'm guessing somebody on the team has been the best at guarding DJO in practice this year, and that guy will get the IT assignment.
Quote from: boyonthedock on March 17, 2010, 01:09:29 AM
well, DJO is a lfty, so it wont be too touhg to practice against
thats helpful(practicing against a lefty), but, i think you will understand better when you see him play..on how he can penetrate at will and is a master at drawing fouls.
I think the peeps over on the Washington board are complaining that they get little recognition by the press and many of you peeps say look at the seed, those people are wrong who pick against us....fact is, i am sure all the other 5 vs 12, 6 vs 11, 7 vs 10 and 8 vs 9 teams are saying the same thing on their boards.
have fun, relax...it should be a fun game to watch and remember...both teams have exceeded fans expecations already...Marquette was not even a NCAA tourney team at the beginning of the year in most people's eyes...and 1 month ago Washington was left for dead...so this all is icing on the cake imo....enjoy.
Just wait until you see DJO play!
Early charges on the UW squad will have them thinking twice about driving.
We're all doomed! I think Washington is much too tough for us as they are peaking at the right time. Watching them cut through our undersized defense is going to be like watching a pre-game layup drill
Seriously, I expect a close game because they are talented. I think it is very likely to be a "one possession game." I am not sure how many close games Washington has had but MU has figured out how to close out games toward the end of the season. Should be fun.
Quote from: prestonluv on March 17, 2010, 01:26:48 AM
thats helpful(practicing against a lefty), but, i think you will understand better when you see him play..on how he can penetrate at will and is a master at drawing fouls.
I think the peeps over on the Washington board are complaining that they get little recognition by the press and many of you peeps say look at the seed, those people are wrong who pick against us....fact is, i am sure all the other 5 vs 12, 6 vs 11, 7 vs 10 and 8 vs 9 teams are saying the same thing on their boards.
have fun, relax...it should be a fun game to watch and remember...both teams have exceeded fans expecations already...Marquette was not even a NCAA tourney team at the beginning of the year in most people's eyes...and 1 month ago Washington was left for dead...so this all is icing on the cake imo....enjoy.
The beginning of this vid has a couple of DJO's drives (highlights from our game against L'ville earlier this month). As a lefty he can also put in on the floor effectively with his right (that seems to make the defenders forget he's a lefty and he'll end up with an easy lay-in with his "off-hand"). The last clip in the highlight-reel is a DJO putback that had Buzz dancing down the sidelines. And don't forget that this kid shoots about 47% from 3 :)
http://www.youtube.com/v/h6unMJayqnc
They act like this midget is going to score 30 points. He's good, but he's not an All-American. And if we're talking about quick left-handed guards, DJO has way, way more NBA potential. And you can't tell me Butler isn't just as good at drawing fouls.
Butler: FT's 183-239 .766
Thomas: FT's 151-205 .737
So yeah, Jimmy's pretty good at getting to the line, and he makes more when he gets there.
Chap, I agree, everything I have read about these guys makes me wonder why they aren't the #1 seed. It's been the same story all year for this Marquette team - Louisville, too big, talented and quick...Villanova, best guard play in the country, no way we can hang with that talent level. Georgetown, too big, too talented (I guess it looked that way in NYC ;)...anyways, I think you get my point. This team gets very little respect because it lacks talent of KNOWN quantity.
I can say that I have not watched one UW game, and only have knowledge from what I have read on UW boards like this and from scouting reports. All indicators point to a close match-up, but really, this Marquette team has seen it ALL, the good, the bad and the ugly.
If we hit a few shots and allow for our defense to create some points off turnovers, this one is in the bag. This UW team has had some success in recent weeks, but they were not cutting their teeth on top talent. Our defense is going to be a real eyeopener for them and this "punch in the face" early will set the tone. Just my opinion.
Hubert Davis picked UW and Jay Bilas was the other analyst who picked Clemson. Granted he has Cornell in the elite 8 (he picked them as most likely seed 4 and above to get there but also on the Bracketology show had them going). I'm not too worried about the upset talk because last year we were the big upset pick to pick against Utah State and I believe 2 years ago Kentucky was a pretty popular upset pick against us too. By the sounds of it if we play at our pace, hit our 3's, and stay out of foul trouble we will win. Which pretty much sounds like the recipe for any game we play.
Quote from: prestonluv on March 17, 2010, 01:26:48 AM
both teams have exceeded fans expecations already
Washington utterly under performed and failed to meet fan expectations on the year so far if you consider they were a top 25 team at the beginning of the season... but once they started off so horribly bad their fans expectations had to be adjusted and now just making the NCAA tourney has exceeded those lowered expectations... so it's kind of a weird situation.
In the end though I agree... just enjoy this game, will probably be one of the most purely entertaining 1st round games
Quote from: ceh on March 17, 2010, 09:06:26 AM
Chap, I agree, everything I have read about these guys makes me wonder why they aren't the #1 seed. It's been the same story all year for this Marquette team - Louisville, too big, talented and quick...Villanova, best guard play in the country, no way we can hang with that talent level. Georgetown, too big, too talented (I guess it looked that way in NYC ;)...anyways, I think you get my point. This team gets very little respect because it lacks talent of KNOWN quantity.
I can say that I have not watched one UW game, and only have knowledge from what I have read on UW boards like this and from scouting reports. All indicators point to a close match-up, but really, this Marquette team has seen it ALL, the good, the bad and the ugly.
If we hit a few shots and allow for our defense to create some points off turnovers, this one is in the bag. This UW team has had some success in recent weeks, but they were not cutting their teeth on top talent. Our defense is going to be a real eyeopener for them and this "punch in the face" early will set the tone. Just my opinion.
I really cannot understand why someone, and it's not just you, readily admits that they haven't seen them play, and then acts all indignant when people predict against them. Marquette *has* seen it all...won some games they should have lost and lost some they should have won. They can be ridiculously inconsistent, not only between games, but in the same half of games.
This means that while they can beat anyone, they can most certainly lose to anyone too. I would not be surprised if we lose tomorrow...nor will I be surprised if they make the Sweet 16.
TSSW - I'm not sour about any of the picks. However, a great deal of the opinion, press and reports from the UW side have all pointed to the superior attributes of their team over ours. Sounds familiar right?
I'm guessing that you don't like my "in the bag" comment, but really, if this Marquette shoots well and plays solid defense, you would pick against us?
This is the game I never wanted to see. I am both a UW fan and a MU fan, with the edge going to MU. I have watched a lot of the UW games this year and have season tickets for MU. There are many similarities between the two teams.
For those you haven't seen much of UW this year, they are a quick team. They struggled early on in conference play but have been on a hot streak. Like MU they are a scrappy team that create turnovers. They push the ball up the floor quick and look to get a shot within the first 10 to 15 seconds. One name that has been overlooked that you will learn quick is Venoy Overton. He plays very tight defense and shoots the ball decent. Thomas is very similiar to Dominic James. He is quick, loves to drive, and will shoot the three. Pondexter is the Hayward of UW. He is strong inside can hit the three. They don't have a real strong big man, as in the case of other Big East teams; however, they do have players such as Bryan-Amaning that can rebound well.
Overall, this is a good matchup for both teams. UW has a very deep bench, with 11 players getting minutes. In regards to coaching, Romar is a great coach that can draw up quick plays.
I give the advantage to MU in the game. Playing in the Big East has been much more valuable to them getting experience over UW playing in the Pac 10.
Get ready for a fast paced game.
GO WARRIORS!
OK, so anyone can lose. ANYONE. But honestly, how much better is Villanova from Marquette? I don't see much but Villanova gets a ton of props. And no one would pick UW to beat Villanova. I agree with one of the posters. If we come out and play bad, we could lose. But if we play our game, we are fine. How many games have we lost this season that we were "suppose" to win? Two... and they were both on last second shots. I think based on how both teams have played all season, we are "suppose" to win this game, and I think its unlikely that we come unprepared or asleep. MU will cover.
Quote from: ceh on March 17, 2010, 10:26:41 AM
TSSW - I'm not sour about any of the picks. However, a great deal of the opinion, press and reports from the UW side have all pointed to the superior attributes of their team over ours. Sounds familiar right?
I'm guessing that you don't like my "in the bag" comment, but really, if this Marquette shoots well and plays solid defense, you would pick against us?
I wouldn't pick against any team that "shoots well and plays solid defense." The problem is that MU has trouble consistently doing both over the course of a game....Louisville the obvious exception.
I hear ya Sultan, and I think the ND loss looms too close for there to be a great measure of confidence in thes team especially among the most loyal supporters.
We have played really good teams and we have played not so good teams but most of our games are always close. So, I will go out on a limb and say that this game will also be close at the end. Its just the nature of the beast this year.
IThomas might be ultra quick and a lefty but he is not a top 5 NBA star. He does have weaknesses and I know that Buzz will be able to make adjustments and exploit those weaknesses. So if IT is getting in the lane, we will make the adjustments and stop that from happening. If IT is nailing 3 pointers a clip he never has before, Buzz will make the adjustments and stop that. If IT is gambling too much on the defensive end, he will be exploited. If IT is having troubles with screens, he will get mismatched with Butler or Hayward down low. Lefty or not, I will safely say that we have played against way more players who are as talented or more talented than IT. Doesn't mean we are going to win or lose but I don't think he is going to scare anyone on our team and we do play as a team which is probably our biggest strength. The question will be as it always is, can we out work UW, can we hit our shots and can we limit our turnovers? If we can, we have a good chance of winning.
I just don't understand how a quick lefty is "impossible" to practice for. And then people figured him out after a year, but Marquette won't be able to, despite having all the tape?
UW fans have been cordial and pretty informative. But I am kind of puzzled by their hubris when it comes to their team. Im not sure how Marquette can win against Thomas (who is better than the original Isiah it seems), Overton (basically Ron Artest), and their other cast of characters. "QPon", their star, seems to get the least billing in their boasts.
Either way, Im beyond excited and ready for the game to speak for itself, not the chatter of fans.
Let's just rain on their parade and be done with it (although they are probably used to rain!)
As someone who wrote an overly positive review of all UW's players, I'll do the opposite and tell you why we're not as good as we think we are:
Isaiah Thomas loves to shoot us out of games. He may be our 2nd best scorer, but he's a high volume shooter who is in constant attack mode, even when his shots aren't falling he will continue to shoot many shots, including plenty of bad ones. When he's not getting calls in the paint he still tries to draw the fouls. He should really learn how to attack and pass out, unfortunately this is a rare occurrence. He's been playing with a broken (?) hand, this is well documented throughout your boards already.
Quincy Pondexter will disappear in games. He will have monster games and follow them up with complete duds. There's really no explanation onto WHY this happens.
Matthew Bryan-Amaning isn't as good as he's played the last 7 games. He's been playing well beyond anything he's shown this year (although this is the level that we EXPECTED out of him at the beginning of the year)
Justin Holiday is as advertised, won't do anything to hurt us unless he misses his 3 shots he takes a game. But he'll more than makeup for it on the hustle sheet.
Venoy Overton takes bad shots, and is frenetic. He'll take plenty of bad shots and still stay aggressive. He can also rack up fouls and let off on his defensive intensity.
Abdul Gaddy has had plenty of games where he's been over matched and beat up on.
Breshers and Gant are both candidates to foul out in under 8 minutes.
Elston Turner can continue to miss free throws at an alarming rate (for our best shooter) and Suggs can try to get creative instead of staying out on the 3 point line.
UW isn't a top 10 team, they are an underdog for a reason. We as fans like to look at the positives and why things can work out in our favor. I can't wait for this game.
As a Husky fan, I will admit that I have not seen one minute of Marquette basketball this year. All I can tell you is that WA was ranked 15 in the preseason polls for a reason. It has taken awhile to gel but this team is playing very well and we are not just all about offense. We have two all Pac 10 defenders and can go 11 deep. Our big men our very athletic and can cover the perimeter if necessary. Given their depth, no one every fouls out of the game allowing them to put a lot of pressure on the ball. Overton is a pest defensively.
Offensively, WA usually owns the glass. Pondexter is a very good offensive rebounder as is Holliday and Bryan Amaning. We are not the best three point shooting team but we are not bad. Pondexter and Thomas can really get to the hoop and finish.
I am not saying UW is the end-all-be-all but they are certainly not your typical 11 seed. They have 3-4 NBA prospects.
This game will come down to UW defending the three and MU limiting easy transition buckets or easy put backs on the offensive glass. I also think fouls could play a major role given that MU plays 6 maybe 7 guys. UW generally gets to the line a lot given their ability to put the ball on the floor and get to the hoop..
We'll see. Should be a great game.
Quote from: ATWizJr on March 17, 2010, 11:18:24 AM
Let's just rain on their parade and be done with it (although they are probably used to rain!)
Not this winter. Thanks to El Niño, it is California that is getting dumped on. We had a nice sunny & mild winter. Did you watch the Olympics?
Speaking of upset alert, this SI "expert" has Washington winning it all:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/2010/ncaa_tourney/brackets/experts/joel_mchale.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/2010/ncaa_tourney/brackets/experts/joel_mchale.html)
Quote from: Halfbrain11 on March 17, 2010, 01:10:55 PM
Speaking of upset alert, this SI "expert" has Washington winning it all:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/2010/ncaa_tourney/brackets/experts/joel_mchale.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/ncaa/men/2010/ncaa_tourney/brackets/experts/joel_mchale.html)
The "expert" is Joel McHale, 1995 Washington grad. Don't like him on "The Soup", therefore his opinion is disregarded!
;)
Quote from: ThePatton on March 17, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
As someone who wrote an overly positive review of all UW's players, I'll do the opposite and tell you why we're not as good as we think we are:
Isaiah Thomas loves to shoot us out of games. He may be our 2nd best scorer, but he's a high volume shooter who is in constant attack mode, even when his shots aren't falling he will continue to shoot many shots, including plenty of bad ones. When he's not getting calls in the paint he still tries to draw the fouls. He should really learn how to attack and pass out, unfortunately this is a rare occurrence. He's been playing with a broken (?) hand, this is well documented throughout your boards already.
Quincy Pondexter will disappear in games. He will have monster games and follow them up with complete duds. There's really no explanation onto WHY this happens.
Matthew Bryan-Amaning isn't as good as he's played the last 7 games. He's been playing well beyond anything he's shown this year (although this is the level that we EXPECTED out of him at the beginning of the year)
Justin Holiday is as advertised, won't do anything to hurt us unless he misses his 3 shots he takes a game. But he'll more than makeup for it on the hustle sheet.
Venoy Overton takes bad shots, and is frenetic. He'll take plenty of bad shots and still stay aggressive. He can also rack up fouls and let off on his defensive intensity.
Abdul Gaddy has had plenty of games where he's been over matched and beat up on.
Breshers and Gant are both candidates to foul out in under 8 minutes.
Elston Turner can continue to miss free throws at an alarming rate (for our best shooter) and Suggs can try to get creative instead of staying out on the 3 point line.
UW isn't a top 10 team, they are an underdog for a reason. We as fans like to look at the positives and why things can work out in our favor. I can't wait for this game.
Probably the best analysis yet. I watched that UCLA game on 360 and I saw how they pushed the ball. They are like 2008 MU where they try and make a fast break on every possession. And they are at their best running. And I wonder if their offensive rebounding stats are inflated by trailers getting the offensive boards on a break. I also saw that they have poor shot selection when the driving lanes were clogged. I also so how IT and others can drive and make defenses collapse but they did not pass well after the defense collapsed. UW can definitely win but most likely MU will pull out the win.
Quote from: Roscoe on March 17, 2010, 01:18:01 PM
The "expert" is Joel McHale, 1995 Washington grad. Don't like him on "The Soup", therefore his opinion is disregarded!
;)
I'll take Pudi over McHale any day!!!!
obviously we all want to win, but Washington beating us isn't an upset, obviously.
Quote from: indeelaw90 on March 17, 2010, 02:56:27 PM
I'll take Pudi over McHale any day!!!!
I'd imagine they have a nice bet on the game. Has anyone read anything?
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 17, 2010, 02:49:18 PM
Probably the best analysis yet. I watched that UCLA game on 360 and I saw how they pushed the ball. They are like 2008 MU where they try and make a fast break on every possession. And they are at their best running. And I wonder if their offensive rebounding stats are inflated by trailers getting the offensive boards on a break. I also saw that they have poor shot selection when the driving lanes were clogged. I also so how IT and others can drive and make defenses collapse but they did not pass well after the defense collapsed. UW can definitely win but most likely MU will pull out the win.
Thanks for watching the 360 game and reporting...I keep meaning to watch it, but haven't had time.
Not used to guarding lefties. Are they kidding? We are talking high level college basketball.Thomas will be difficult to guard, but I think it will have a lot more to do with his speed than the fact he's a lefty. That's ridiculous.This game can't get here soon enough.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 17, 2010, 03:31:43 PM
Thanks for watching the 360 game and reporting...I keep meaning to watch it, but haven't had time.
Ha... the biggest thing I took away from that game is how terrible UCLA is. I think they missed their first 3 FT's and shot about 4 airballs in the first 15 minutes. UCLA's shot selection of god awful too. The one thing you notice about UW right away is they run on every possession.
As much as they supposedly run, it sounds as much hectic as fast paced. I expect our guys to be looking to take charges early and often.