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Pittsburgh, Cincinatti (from Big East), Mizzou (from Big 12) and  to the Big 10 (making 14 teams)
West Virginia, Louisville, USF, Rutgers, UConn, Syracuse (from Big East) to the ACC (& ACC splits into North and South Divisions)
Florida State, Miami (from ACC)  to SEC
TCU (from Mountain West) to Big 12 (filling Mizzou's hole)
***Note the divisions would be for football, optional for other sports


BIG EAST...............BIG 10/?14? .............ACC .............................SEC                        
-SLU......................*EAST DIV.................*NORTH DIV..................-same but Fl St adds to WEST div
-Xavier.....................-Purdue......................-Duke..............................-and Miami adds to EAST div
-Dayton....................-Michigan..................-Boston College................-14 teams; 2 ftball divs (like big10, ACC)
-Butler.....................-Ohio State................-Maryland.........................Big 12
-DePaul....................-Penn St....................-UConn..........................-same but TCU replaces Mizzou
-Villanova.................-Michigan St...............-Rutgers.........................-still 12 teams, 2 football divs
-Marquette................-Cincinatti..................-Syracuse                    
-Georgetown.............-Pittsburgh.................-Virginia Tech                      
-Seton Hall...............*WEST DIV................*SOUTH DIV                    
-St. John's.................-Illinois......................-Wake Forest                
-Providence...............-Wisconsin..................-Clemson                      
.Notre Dame..............-Minnesota..................-USF              
................................-Iowa..........................-Georgia Tech                
................................-Indiana......................-UNC                            
................................-Mizzou.......................-Virgina                        
................................-Northwestern.............-NC State


Its a lot of movement. But it makes sense to do it all at once instead of gradually. I'd like to see it happen by summer 2012.
It makes a lot of sense. Big East would lose a little spotlight, but its the most appropriate placement of teams that I can think of with as few moves as possible.

-Notre Dame would stay in the Big East and still play independent for football. Notre Dame is about tradition. I don't expect them to join the Big 10.
This would put the 4 major football conference at 14 schools (2 divisions) except for the Big 12 which would remain at 12 schools.

take Butler out, its all Catholic Schools in the Midwest to East Coast.

Both ND and WV football coaches admitted Big East will likely disband this year or very soon.
Atlantic 10 is most likely to pair up with remaining schools.

Dayton, Xavier, and SLU will likely be top choices for additions. Xavier may be a little small, but has a basketball program worthy of the Big East year after year. Dayton is a likely fit, coming from Ohio and having a solid athletic department. SLU will likely add as well. Coach Rick Majerus, Milwaukee native and former MU coach, is bringing the team back from the dead. The team split victories with Rhode Island, Richmond, beat Dayton twice, finished with an RPI of 83 and 100% of minutes were from sophomores and freshman. Majerus has talked about switching conferences a lot this year and will likely be the surprise addition.

The question is will the Big East remain the Big East after the football programs leave? Or will the Big East teams add into current leagues like the Atlantic 10 or will a whole new conference form altogether???

What if the Big East went on the offensive, at least the football part of the Big East. Notre Dame, Penn State, BC, Miami and Fl St all to the big East. Any way that happens?

no way the Big Ten adds Cincy....

What about the Pac 10.  That conference is said to want to add additional teams as well.  One can only guess that they would "steal" teams from other conferences thus causing even more realignment.  All I know is that if the Big East does disband, Im glad I got to see MU play in the best basketball conference ever assembled :)

Quote from: ohiomarqfan on March 16, 2010, 07:09:28 AM
What if the Big East went on the offensive, at least the football part of the Big East. Notre Dame, Penn State, BC, Miami and Fl St all to the big East. Any way that happens?

They don't have the $$$ to make that happen.  If Penn State moved from the Big Ten to the BE, they would have to forego millions of dollars annually.

Quote from: bk18 on March 16, 2010, 02:53:39 AM
take Butler out, its all Catholic Schools in the Midwest to East Coast.

Both ND and WV football coaches admitted Big East will likely disband this year or very soon.
Atlantic 10 is most likely to pair up with remaining schools.

Dayton, Xavier, and SLU will likely be top choices for additions. Xavier may be a little small, but has a basketball program worthy of the Big East year after year. Dayton is a likely fit, coming from Ohio and having a solid athletic department. SLU will likely add as well. Coach Rick Majerus, Milwaukee native and former MU coach, is bringing the team back from the dead. The team split victories with Rhode Island, Richmond, beat Dayton twice, finished with an RPI of 83 and 100% of minutes were from sophomores and freshman. Majerus has talked about switching conferences a lot this year and will likely be the surprise addition.

The question is will the Big East remain the Big East after the football programs leave? Or will the Big East teams add into current leagues like the Atlantic 10 or will a whole new conference form altogether???

If the BE does lose some members for football reasons, my guess is that they would first try to add other members that play football before everything breaks apart.  Central Florida, Memphis, East Carolina, etc.

However, if the BE does break apart, it would be silly not to take schools because they "aren't Catholic."  Temple is one example of a school that I think the BE basketball schools should most definitely look at.  Butler is another...but they may not be big enough.  But I would rather have both of those schools rather than Providence or Seton Hall.

And what about some of the other A10 schools in larger markets?  Charlotte...Richmond...UMass...  I think it would be short-sighted not to look at schools that can add $$$ but excluded because they aren't Catholic.

Didn't Temple actually used to play in the Big East in the 90's.

Marquette administration knows that if such a thing were to happen it would be the death to MU basketball the way we know it.  We have to do everything in our power to avoid going back to being a mid major.  That is what this would be.  Anyone who is advocating this garbage who claims to be a fan of MU  needs their heads examined.    

Quote from: DiaperDandy on March 16, 2010, 08:21:05 AM
Didn't Temple actually used to play in the Big East in the 90's.

Temple was a football-only member of the BE.  They never played BE basketball.

Thanks for the clarification.  I thought they were associated with the big east in some way at one point in time.

When the football schools leave, the remaining schools retain the right to the Big East name. I think if the footballs schools don't join existing conferences and instead form a new conference they would not immeadiately have automatic bids to NCAA basketball tourney.

If you're going to add SLU, and you want to split the future league into west and east, Creighton should be a no-brainer. Its a long-running successful program with a committed and well-respected coach in place in Dana Altman and has had considerably more stable and consistent success than many of those teams you listed in the past 15 years (e.g. Dayton, SLU, De Paul).

WEST                          EAST
Creighton                     Villanova
Marquette                    Georgetown
Xavier                          Providence
SLU                             Seton Hall
Butler                          St. John's  
DePaul                         Temple--though maybe this should be limited to D only basketball-only teams, so other schools aren't tempted to                  
                                             leave...again

This could change whether Notre Dame decides to join the possible massive realignment and depending on how big you would want to make the league- 10, 12, 16?

Other notable names to add would be Dayton, Wichita St, St. Joe's, Illinois St, Northern Iowa, ND, George Washington, UMASS, Old Dominion.

If only there was a way to add Gonzaga in, but their distance would be too much to overcome and just too big of a disadvantage to their program that they would want to.

Heres a question for you.  If Notre Dame does decide to abandon its independence and jump into a conference for football, do army and navy follow suit?  If so, could these be possible football teams for the big east?  They are very respected football programs and although are not what they once used to be, could still bring revenue to the conference, especially Navy imo.

The poll is missing the most obvious option:

As always there will be a dance between major conferences.  A few teams will shift from one conference to another.  In turn the first conference will poach a few members from someone else.  It's much easier to maintain the status quo instead of creating new conferences just because a team or two leaves.

Great, another thread about being a member of a conference that will be lucky to get games televised on public access and will send our program down the crapper, and assuming that schools with football teams don't want basketball-only schools for that sole purpose or at least are not smart or mature enough to work out revenue issues and would not welcome schools like us, Nova, and Georgetown despite the fact that we spend money and run solid programs.  ::) ::) ::)

I had heard about the Big Ten's desire to add a school, but did not know that the Big East was considering a change as well. I will be researching this today.

In hopes of making my research a little easier, can anyone answer this for me?

Is a change very likely to happen within the Big East or is this all just sheer speculation?

** sorry to be out of the loop on this.

Okay, this may sound really out-there...but Ive' been thinking, would a major conference not be tempted to add Villanova or Georgetown, even though they don't have football? A 12-team football league has been proven to work and a 16-team basketball-league has been proven to work, but a 16-team football league?

That just seems a little insane for the scheduling issue..although the conferences have atleast publicly said they're open to anything and with scare of the BCS being destroyed, the major conferences are going to want to grab as many TV markets as possible before anything shuts them out of their monopoly.

So I was just crazily thinking, what if each conference went to 14 teams for football, and added 2 basketball-only schools--[such ACC adding Connecticut, Syracuse, Gtown, Nova OR PAC-10 adding a mix of 4 teams for football(too many options for me to name an appropriate ones) along with Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

Quote from: jt92 on March 16, 2010, 08:22:33 AM
Marquette administration knows that if such a thing were to happen it would be the death to MU basketball the way we know it.  We have to do everything in our power to avoid going back to being a mid major.  That is what this would be.  Anyone who is advocating this garbage who claims to be a fan of MU  needs their heads examined.    

+1 for the first 3 sentences.

Going to the BE and joining a major conference was the best thing that has happened for MU hoops since 1980.  This would ruin that.  It may be inevitable, but it will be bad for MU.

Quote from: jaybilaswho? on March 16, 2010, 09:13:04 AM
I had heard about the Big Ten's desire to add a school, but did not know that the Big East was considering a change as well. I will be researching this today.

In hopes of making my research a little easier, can anyone answer this for me?

Is a change very likely to happen within the Big East or is this all just sheer speculation?

** sorry to be out of the loop on this.

Well everything like this is always going to be speculation, and with the fear of BCS schools being out of their conference monopoly the idea is that they would want to add all or most of their major football competition from other competing leagues. Every conference is now suddenly going to be stating that they are looking in all directions for the future (PR speak) to be able to come from a position of strength. Big East is the weakest football BCS so they are obviously the most vulnerable and should get more aggressive as they are the most targeted to have schools come jump ship from, 2nd would be WAC/Mountain West, 3rd would be the Big 12

Quote from: jt92 on March 16, 2010, 08:22:33 AM
Marquette administration knows that if such a thing were to happen it would be the death to MU basketball the way we know it.  We have to do everything in our power to avoid going back to being a mid major.  That is what this would be.  Anyone who is advocating this garbage who claims to be a fan of MU  needs their heads examined.    

You assume we have a choice in the matter.  In the end, the football schools are going to do what they want to do and there isn't a damn thing the basketball schools can do about it.  We're at their mercy, which isn't a good thing.  In the coming years, there's a very good chance college athletics as we've known it will cease to exist.

Quote from: bma725 on March 16, 2010, 09:22:17 AM
You assume we have a choice in the matter.  In the end, the football schools are going to do what they want to do and there isn't a damn thing the basketball schools can do about it.  We're at their mercy, which isn't a good thing.

Does anyone know which brings in more revenue for the BEast: Football or Basketball?

My first thought would be basketball. If this is correct, then your statement is wrong.

Quote from: jaybilaswho? on March 16, 2010, 09:49:40 AM
Does anyone know which brings in more revenue for the BEast: Football or Basketball?

My first thought would be basketball. If this is correct, then your statement is wrong.

bma can speak for himself, but I assume he meant all of the NCAA, not just the Big East.  The biggest threat is that all the football schools basically secede from the NCAA and create their own division by themselves.  Then the BE football schools would have to go along and leave the BE or be left behind.

As a side note, I could see the biggest threat to the Big Ten money and expansion being a ala carte cable pricing.  If that would ever get mandated by Congress, millions of people could dump the $1.10/month they're being forced to pay for the Big Ten Network.

Quote from: KCMarq09 on March 16, 2010, 09:13:59 AM
Okay, this may sound really out-there...but Ive' been thinking, would a major conference not be tempted to add Villanova or Georgetown, even though they don't have football? A 12-team football league has been proven to work and a 16-team basketball-league has been proven to work, but a 16-team football league?

That just seems a little insane for the scheduling issue..although the conferences have atleast publicly said they're open to anything and with scare of the BCS being destroyed, the major conferences are going to want to grab as many TV markets as possible before anything shuts them out of their monopoly.

So I was just crazily thinking, what if each conference went to 14 teams for football, and added 2 basketball-only schools--[such ACC adding Connecticut, Syracuse, Gtown, Nova OR PAC-10 adding a mix of 4 teams for football(too many options for me to name an appropriate ones) along with Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

Exactly.  Major conferences are not going to turn down Georgetown, Nova, or us simply because we don't have football so long as adding a school that will get into a media market, spends money to stay competitive, and gets to the postseason is available.  Similarly, the 8 BE schools with football would never break away by themselves and not want to invite the  basketball powers that spend money and generate revenue, abandon history and rivalries, and turn down the opportunity to make more money simply because the money they make isn't in football.  Are schools like DePaul, who haven't had success or shown the desire to spend in trouble?  Probably.  They're the ones that might be thinking mid-major.  A 12 or 14 team football conference with the opportunity to pick up Georgetown would never, ever tell them no.  It will give them all more money, and even if Georgetown doesn't get their football money it still gets more than being in a mid-major basketball conference.

Quote from: jaybilaswho? on March 16, 2010, 09:49:40 AM
Does anyone know which brings in more revenue for the BEast: Football or Basketball?

My first thought would be basketball. If this is correct, then your statement is wrong.

I'm not talking about the Big East.  I'm talking about college athletics as a whole.  The BCS football schools have no interest in sharing money with the basketball schools or perhaps more importantly being governed by an association made up mostly of basketball only schools or non-BCS schools.  They're hesitant to split off right now because of the NCAA's anti-trust status, money changes everything. 

Where is Louisville?  I am not seeing them in this hypo.

Quote from: bma725 on March 16, 2010, 10:07:40 AM
I'm not talking about the Big East.  I'm talking about college athletics as a whole.  The BCS football schools have no interest in sharing money with the basketball schools or perhaps more importantly being governed by an association made up mostly of basketball only schools or non-BCS schools.  They're hesitant to split off right now because of the NCAA's anti-trust status, money changes everything. 

I gotcha now.

Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 16, 2010, 10:12:53 AM
Where is Louisville?  I am not seeing them in this hypo.

I would assume they would head to the SEC, possibly Big 12 depending how it all shakes out. Louisville and Memphis heading to the SEC would be best guess as of right now (if they go to only 14 teams).

South Florida is the one that I would be more confused about. There are so many Florida schools already, they are limited geographically to the SEC and ACC only, and they don't stand out enough in any sport to be strongly desired and aren't at the bottom of the league enough to forget about them. They do have the largest Big East enrollment though if I'm not mistaken.

Quote from: jaybilaswho? on March 16, 2010, 09:49:40 AM
Does anyone know which brings in more revenue for the BEast: Football or Basketball?

My first thought would be basketball. If this is correct, then your statement is wrong.

The last figures I saw...and I'm sorry but I cannot find a link...is that the football schools make about $5 million, while the basketball schools make about $1 million.  And this gap is growing.

Oh, and to address the issue over if the BE would make a proactive move on a school like Penn State, each Big Ten school made an estimated $15 million last year.