I only saw them once versus Oregon where they lost (watched about 10 of game time). I just remember they really like to push the ball.
It is going to be interesting... we like a slow pace, it appears they like a fast pace.
Those who have seen them more.... what should we expect?
They're a lot like us...quick guards. I actually think Washington will be our toughest game if we pull it out and play either New Mexico or Montana(I think) Get by the Huskies and our chances of making the the Sweet 16 are very good.
There coached by Lorenzo Lomar correct....didn't he coach St. Louis when we where in Conference USA?
Quote from: westcoastwarrior on March 14, 2010, 05:54:17 PM
There coached by Lorenzo Lomar correct....didn't he coach St. Louis when we where in Conference USA?
Lorenzo Romar :)
Super quick rundown from the UW side:
Gameplan: very high paced and energetic on both ends, Romar has us run an aggressive man to man defense and loves to run on offense. We will get after the ballhandler and live off of points off of turnovers - I don't know how good your guards are but they'll have to be careful with the ball. We tend to attack the basket more then rely on perimeter shooting, we aren't a great 3 point shooting team.
Guards: We basically play three guards - Isiah Thomas is great at attacking the hoop and is a good defender (held the pac-10 POY to 3-11 shooting yesterday), despite being 5'8". Abdul Gaddy is a freshman who shows lots of potential at the point but is still developing and doesn't play huge minutes yet. Venoy Overton is one of the best on the ball defenders in the NCAA, I can almost guarentee you that you will hate him by halftime.
Forwards: Strength of the team. Quincy Pondexter averages almost 20 ppg and can put it in from anywhere. Justin Holliday is another great defender - he'll probably draw your best wing player. Fast with long arms, he'll bother whoever he's guarding, but is limited offensively. Scott Suggs and Elston Turner will come in and hit a few threes and that's about it.
Center: Shakiest area of the team. Matthew Bryan-Amaning is inconsistant; can look real good and can also dissapear. Better defensively then offensively. Tyreese Breshers is the only real depth - 250 pound freshman who shows potential but also picks up fouls like they were candy.
Holy cow, this is the greatest draw ever for Marquette. New Mexico is absurdly overrated as a 3 seed. We already know we can beat West Virginia. And Kentucky is the weakest of the 4 number one seeds; I think their luck is going to change way before the Elite Eight.
I'm backing this up with some calculations I've done.
http://www.thepowerrank.com/
An algorithm based on Google's PageRank that considers margin of victory in calculating a team's "value" which is related to future performance. Washington is 46, New Mexico is 32.
Pomeroy Stats:
Rnk Team Conf W-L Pyth AdjO/Rnk AdjD/Rnk Cons/Rnk Luck/Rnk Pyth/Rnk OppO/Rnk OppD/Rnk Pyth/Rnk
28 Marquette BE 22-11 .9185 114.3/22 92.6/48 22.7/286 -.056/299 .7421/42 107.0/21 97.6/59 .5444/158
29 Washington P10 24-9 .9157 112.6/32 91.5/38 23.8/310 +.019/104 .7106/55 105.4/54 97.5/56 .6231/74
47 New Mexico MWC 29-4 .8821 114.3/21 96.0/87 17.2/56 +.079/19 .6333/93 103.8/94 99.0/98 .5721/125 |
They like to run, a lot. Top 10 in the country in terms of tempo, obviously the polar opposite of MU.
As for the rest, we're pretty evenly matched. They aren't quite as good offensively, we aren't quite as good defensively. We're better from the outside, they're better from the inside. They are a much better rebounding team than MU, but so is pretty much everyone.
KenPom has us at the 28th team in the country and them as 29th, so it's going to be a very even match of two teams with very different styles.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 14, 2010, 05:50:22 PM
I only saw them once versus Oregon where they lost (watched about 10 of game time). I just remember they really like to push the ball.
As a side note, that Oregon game was the worst game we've played in probably the last 3 years. Only common opponent seems to be Georgetown; they beat us pretty good back in December.
UW didn't really figure things out until mid-January, we were pretty horrific to start the year off.
Thomas and Acker are even in size, DJO may be on Thomas though. We both run 3 guards. Pondexter is a monster but i think Zar and Jimmy can handle it. I like our chances but i also will go nowhere near guranteeing or feeling confident about a victory.
Washington finished the Season on a 7 game winning streak and won 12 or their last 14 games.
6 or those 7 games were on the road or at a neutral site, so they are hot right now.
3 things will happen for sure..
1. you will hate venoy overton and think he is a whiny bitch. But, we love him and he is the heart and soul of our team.
2. Quincy Pondexter is probably one of the top 20 players in college hoops and a first round pick next year. will put up 20 and 8, just count on it.
3. We will most likely full court press most of the game and we got really good length with our swing men, especially Justin Holiday(Jrue holidays brother).
I have followed Marquette ever since that little dude was a freshman and tearing it up(Dominic James?). I love Lazar Hayward and expect him and Quincy to cancel each other out.
Expect Elston Turner to hit some big threes, his stats dont tell you how clutch he is in the last 10 minutes.
Also, if the game is close and i expect it to be...dont foul Venoy Overton...good luck and may the best team win...fwiw..i think the winner of this game goes to the sweet 16
Quote from: zifnab32 on March 14, 2010, 05:57:43 PM
Lorenzo Romar :)
Super quick rundown from the UW side:
Gameplan: very high paced and energetic on both ends, Romar has us run an aggressive man to man defense and loves to run on offense. We will get after the ballhandler and live off of points off of turnovers - I don't know how good your guards are but they'll have to be careful with the ball. We tend to attack the basket more then rely on perimeter shooting, we aren't a great 3 point shooting team.
Guards: We basically play three guards - Isiah Thomas is great at attacking the hoop and is a good defender (held the pac-10 POY to 3-11 shooting yesterday), despite being 5'8". Abdul Gaddy is a freshman who shows lots of potential at the point but is still developing and doesn't play huge minutes yet. Venoy Overton is one of the best on the ball defenders in the NCAA, I can almost guarentee you that you will hate him by halftime.
Forwards: Strength of the team. Quincy Pondexter averages almost 20 ppg and can put it in from anywhere. Justin Holliday is another great defender - he'll probably draw your best wing player. Fast with long arms, he'll bother whoever he's guarding, but is limited offensively. Scott Suggs and Elston Turner will come in and hit a few threes and that's about it.
Center: Shakiest area of the team. Matthew Bryan-Amaning is inconsistant; can look real good and can also dissapear. Better defensively then offensively. Tyreese Breshers is the only real depth - 250 pound freshman who shows potential but also picks up fouls like they were candy.
Thanks for the rundown. Should be a really good game. By the way, don't take it bad that people are saying U Dub is a good matchup. We really struggle against teams with multiple good post players and UW is more similar to Marquette in not having a lot of bigs.
based off other analysis Washington strives on turnovers and fast break, if we play our game and dont turn it over we got a great shot.
Foul trouble could be the difference in this game for either team.
Quote from: thepowerrank on March 14, 2010, 05:58:18 PM
Holy cow, this is the greatest draw ever for Marquette. New Mexico is absurdly overrated as a 3 seed. We already know we can beat West Virginia. And Kentucky is the weakest of the 4 number one seeds; I think their luck is going to change way before the Elite Eight.
I'm backing this up with some calculations I've done.
http://www.thepowerrank.com/
An algorithm based on Google's PageRank that considers margin of victory in calculating a team's "value" which is related to future performance. Washington is 46, New Mexico is 32.
How do you figure? They are almost undefeated and they have at least 4 future pros on their team. Cousins is a beast and most say Wall is the best player in the country and Bledsoe would start and score twenty if he were on most other teams. I think they are pretty damn good. I think KU is better but UK is still good.
If your guards are great at protecting the ball, than you have a great chance to beat us. We thrive on putting the ball into your 2nd or 3rd best ballhandlers hand and then pestering him into turnovers.
If you have 2 or 3 people that can handle the ball well, you can beat us. Otherwise, you are in trouble.
We have 6 of our top 7 who can bring the ball up against pressure, depending on the matchup.
Preston that is our stength, we play 3 guards at all time. Acker is by far the best handler and does it the most. DJO and Cubby are shaky but DJO is quick and can get to the hoop. Zar and Butler both can handle and play up top and down low and they drive and strive at racking up fouls. We are a very good ball handling team and we shoot the 3 ball with consistency, hopefully that is the type of team Washington struggles against.
DJO: Please take care of the ball!!!!!!!!
Digger does....just picked Wash. to win. Surprise Surprise.
Quote from: prestonluv on March 14, 2010, 06:26:19 PM
If your guards are great at protecting the ball, than you have a great chance to beat us. We thrive on putting the ball into your 2nd or 3rd best ballhandlers hand and then pestering him into turnovers.
If you have 2 or 3 people that can handle the ball well, you can beat us. Otherwise, you are in trouble.
Louisville has a pretty good press and we whooped them. As the other poster said, we have a lot of guys who can take the ball vs. the press. We won three Big East road games in a row in OT. Just beat a really good Villanova team in NYC. I'll take our chances, I like this match-up a lot for MU. I do agree that winner of this game takes down NM.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 14, 2010, 06:28:57 PM
Preston that is our stength, we play 3 guards at all time. Acker is by far the best handler and does it the most. DJO and Cubby are shaky but DJO is quick and can get to the hoop. Zar and Butler both can handle and play up top and down low and they drive and strive at racking up fouls. We are a very good ball handling team and we shoot the 3 ball with consistency, hopefully that is the type of team Washington struggles against.
Than you guys should fare well against our press. But, be wary...Venoy and Justin are not ordinary defenders. I fully expect the game to be decided in the last 5 minutes.
Sound like 2 evenly matched teams and usually its whomever is shooting better that decides the winner.
I like how washington has not lost in awhile, i think they believe they cannot be beat right now unless the competition is far more talented. I dont think Marquette or NM will me any more talented. We shall see tho.
Good Luck
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 14, 2010, 06:28:57 PM
Preston that is our stength, we play 3 guards at all time. Acker is by far the best handler and does it the most. DJO and Cubby are shaky but DJO is quick and can get to the hoop. Zar and Butler both can handle and play up top and down low and they drive and strive at racking up fouls. We are a very good ball handling team and we shoot the 3 ball with consistency, hopefully that is the type of team Washington struggles against.
Don't forget Dwight Buycks...
Thanks Husky fans for the scouting updates. Very informative.
I am not really worried about the press. We basically have 5 guards on the court when you think about it as both Lazar Hayward and Jimmy Butler projected as guards but were forced to play forward due to injuries and personnel issues. Our biggest player getting minutes is 6-6 and we have had trouble with big post players and rebounding.
Your team, on the other hand, needs to defend the 3pt shot to win. All of our players can knock it down from outside. Also, all of the guards (and forwards) can take it to the rim.
It is a very interesting matchup with very different styles of play despite the personnel being similar.
Saw them beat Cal at the Pac 10 championhip saturday. They are a pretty good team, quick wirh decent size. It is a team we can beat for sure.