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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2010, 08:49:19 PM

Title: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2010, 08:49:19 PM
During the smaller conference championship games tonight, ESPN was showing Lunardi's updated last 4 out and somehow UConn made it in.  Fran Fraschilla absolutely ripped Lunardi for having them there.

How did losing to St. Johns by 22 bump UConn into the last 4 out???
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: MUBurrow on March 09, 2010, 08:50:49 PM
well, theoretically out is out. from this point on, the bubble could only shrink, not expand, so theres no way UConn could move up from the last four out.
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2010, 08:52:43 PM
But say some of the last 4 in teams choke badly.  Does that bump UConn in?  17-15 UConn?
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: 77ncaachamps on March 09, 2010, 09:52:41 PM
No shot now for UCONN since they lost in the first round of the tourney.

Had they won 2-3 games, then they could have a strong case.

But not now.

So, the NIT will probably look like an NCAA bracket from the 90s: UCONN, UNC, Michigan, UCLA, and Arkansas.

Does this mean Indiana might not qualify for the CBI?
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on March 09, 2010, 10:47:59 PM
If Lunardi still has UConn in his last 4 out, I start to question all credibility the guy has.  Yes, I know they played the #1 toughest schedule.  However, they lost their last 4, and completely mailed it in today. They went 17-15, 7-12 in conference, and lost 10 of their last 13.

Also, when they showed on ESPNU tonight Lunardi's list of "bubble teams" in and out, Marquette was on the top of the last 8-9 teams in. Seriously? 

I don't think he has any bias against MU, I just think he's starting to become a little too obsessed with computer numbers and not enough with what's on the court.
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: Niv Berkowitz on March 09, 2010, 11:08:29 PM
Don't anyone forget. UConn is in ESPNs backyard. They are the lone "professional" team near Bristol and they've looked the other way for Calhoun's disgressions for years.
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2010, 11:13:00 PM
Whatever happened to Calhoun's huge recruiting scandal from last year?  It just seemed to go away.
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: warriors1991 on March 09, 2010, 11:17:46 PM
I posted this in the wrong thread. Sorry all.......

UConn should not be in any kind of consideration. They finished 12th in the conference, 15 losses, and rolled over like dogs to a (maybe) average St. Johns team.
If UConn gets in, there needs to be an official investigation into a bribe.
Who cares who they beat? Did East Carolina deserve a bid in 2003 just because they beat us once? Give me a break
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on March 09, 2010, 11:19:05 PM
Uconn should be no worse than a 4 seed......








in the NIT
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: GGGG on March 10, 2010, 07:49:22 AM
Quote from: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on March 09, 2010, 10:47:59 PM
If Lunardi still has UConn in his last 4 out, I start to question all credibility the guy has.  Yes, I know they played the #1 toughest schedule.  However, they lost their last 4, and completely mailed it in today. They went 17-15, 7-12 in conference, and lost 10 of their last 13.

Also, when they showed on ESPNU tonight Lunardi's list of "bubble teams" in and out, Marquette was on the top of the last 8-9 teams in. Seriously? 


It makes sense.  That makes MU a ten seed.  If we lose today to SJU, we are probably an 11 or 12.  If we win today and tomorrow, we might move up to 8 or 9.
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: CTWarrior on March 10, 2010, 08:46:21 AM
Lunardi moved UConn off the board last night (as in no chance).  Lunardi figures the brackets based on how the committee traditonally behaves, not on how he or ESPN thinks they ought to.  His track record is actually really good.  Seems like last few years he usually misses one team (and its usually the last team) in his final bracket.  He's also very good at predicting seeding as teams are within a line of his predicted seed a large portion of the time.  We probably don't put much faith in him because we did poorly compared to is predicted seed a copule of times in the last four years, as we were one of his seeding "misses" the two years prior to last year.
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: LON on March 10, 2010, 08:52:16 AM
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 10, 2010, 08:46:21 AM
Lunardi moved UConn off the board last night (as in no chance).  Lunardi figures the brackets based on how the committee traditonally behaves, not on how he or ESPN thinks they ought to.  His track record is actually really good.  Seems like last few years he usually misses one team (and its usually the last team) in his final bracket.  He's also very good at predicting seeding as teams are within a line of his predicted seed a large portion of the time.  We probably don't put much faith in him because we did poorly compared to is predicted seed a copule of times in the last four years, as we were one of his seeding "misses" the two years prior to last year.

Um.  Lunardi is horrible at picking seeds.
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on March 10, 2010, 09:05:04 AM
On the bracket matrix from last year, there's a link that compares all the bracketologists and scores them for accuracy of teams in and within one line seed. It's a nice way of holding them accountable. If you notice, Lunardi is 10th out of 12 bracketologists who've bracketed each of the last 4 years. Take what he says with a grain of salt.

http://bracketproject.50webs.com/rankings.html
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: Ready2Fly on March 10, 2010, 09:11:43 AM
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 10, 2010, 08:46:21 AM
Lunardi moved UConn off the board last night (as in no chance).  Lunardi figures the brackets based on how the committee traditonally behaves, not on how he or ESPN thinks they ought to.  His track record is actually really good.  Seems like last few years he usually misses one team (and its usually the last team) in his final bracket.  He's also very good at predicting seeding as teams are within a line of his predicted seed a large portion of the time.  We probably don't put much faith in him because we did poorly compared to is predicted seed a copule of times in the last four years, as we were one of his seeding "misses" the two years prior to last year.

If I'm not mistaken, 33 teams receive auto bids for winning their conference tourney.  The next 28-29 teams are no-brainers.  He's really only picking the "last four in," and if you miss on one or two of those, your percentage doesn't look so hot.  Don't look at his accuracy as 63 or 64 out of 65, look at it as 2, 3, or 4 out of 4.

64/65 is really 75%, not 98% accuracy.  63/65 is really 50%, not 97%.
Title: Re: UConn Still In Last 4 Out
Post by: Big Papi on March 10, 2010, 09:17:24 AM
Why are we making a big deal about this?  I guess Lunardi could have just crossed them off the list but my guess is that he just ranking teams and UConn right now ranks as one of the first four out.  Unfortunately for UConn, they no longer have an opportunity to play themselves in so as more games are played, other teams will leap frog over UConn and eventually they will fall off his list.
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