I know most of you guys were hoping to try to avoid a 8/9 seed but I don't think we will. Most likely we'll pull off a close game against Uconn or St Johns. Therefore if we beat Nova and lose to 'Cuse were likely to be a 7. However I would not mind getting a 8/9 seed because I want the chance for MU to face a #1 seed after all the doubt and crap these guys get. I know there's work to be done, but if, if we could beat that 1 seed it just may show people wrong. We've shown that we can play with anyone in the nation, and that's what makes these guys special.
I really don't want to watch acker try to guard wall.
thats an interesting point though, would you rather have to deal with Aldrich against KU or Wall against UK?
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 07, 2010, 11:49:10 PM
thats an interesting point though, would you rather have to deal with Aldrich against KU or Wall against UK?
I'd rather we faced Alridch and just use the double-down technique that shut down Samuels and Gody in the last couple games.
I want Duke if we get to the second round.
We haven't faced a big guy the caliber of Aldrich yet, but I definitely think we have played some guards comparable to Wall right now at the college level. I definitely think we would, fare better against a team with a top-flight guard than a big guy.....oh wait, UK has Cousins, Patterson and Bledsoe and KU has Collins, Henry and Taylor.
Beating a #1 is hard, especially without a Wade, but you never know what can happen. Syracuse has a hell of a team as does Nova and WV, and we stayed with all of them (should have won at least 2).
Kentucky is the very last time I'd want to play. Period.
UK has Cousins and Patterson.... it's a little harder to double down with two very strong big men as compared to solely Samuels. Also, obviously UK's guard play is much stronger than Louisville's. Out of the possible #1 seeds that I'd be happy about playing against, UK is at the very bottom.
I gotta be honest, unlike all of you I would be more than willing to play as an 8/9. No matter how we do (barring a Big East championship) there's no way we're getting past the 7 seed maybe. Meaning our chances at the 8 or 9 seed are outstanding. Now I would love to play a meaningful game, because I think this team has the bad habit of playing down to opponents. If we face a 10 or 11, then it would be the St. Johns or Depaul games all over again, where we need to eek out a win (or loss) in the final seconds. I would much rather have the team realize the tough competition of an 8 or 9 seed.
And the only way this team is making the papers (which I realize is not the goal at all) is to beat a 1 seed. If Marquette offs a one seed then they instantly become media darlings and everyone knows where and who we are again. Beating a 1 seed isn't even completely unheard of for this team, we've played with and been in every single game this year. I think we could beat Syracuse or West Va on a neutral court, and this team plays harder and works tougher than any MU team I've seen in years. Also if we lose to a one seed then we avoid the upset of losing to like a 14+ seed.
Now if I could pick a seed I would definitely stay away from the 8/9 game, but I also have no problem with the seed if that is where we end up.
You guys are nuts. Any of the #1 seeds, yet to be determind, I know, will pick us up, chew us up, spit us out, and hide the excrement.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 08, 2010, 06:37:38 AM
You guys are nuts. Any of the #1 seeds, yet to be determind, I know, will pick us up, chew us up, spit us out, and hide the excrement.
What in the last 30 games makes you think that will happen? What is our largest margin of defeat? villanova, West Virginia and Syracuse all on the road are pretty good teams. I agree both Kansas and Kentucky would be bad matchups, but I think MU would be competitive. Wouldn't want to play any #1 seed but if we can stay away from Kansas or Kentucky it might be OK
Insane to say you'd rather play a 1 seed than any other... I wanna make it as deep into the tourney as possible and we have the best odds of doing that by avoiding the 1 seeds. I think we could hang with those teams, but would MUCH rather choose to face a 3, 4, 5, etc...
Quote from: GregClausenForever on March 07, 2010, 11:51:30 PM
I'd rather we faced Alridch and just use the double-down technique that shut down Samuels and Gody in the last couple games.
Kansas is much, much more skilled at the other positions than Louisville or ND are. You can double down on Aldrich all you want, but that is just going to eventually lead to trouble elsewhere.
Quote from: hairyworthen on March 08, 2010, 06:57:12 AM
What in the last 30 games makes you think that will happen? What is our largest margin of defeat? villanova, West Virginia and Syracuse all on the road are pretty good teams. I agree both Kansas and Kentucky would be bad matchups, but I think MU would be competitive. Wouldn't want to play any #1 seed but if we can stay away from Kansas or Kentucky it might be OK
We were fown by 17 with 4 minutes to go in the Syracuse game. If you watched the entire post-game presser, Boeheim said his team essentially gave up because they had such a commanding lead. In post-season play, that won't happen.
Losing to Uconn in the first round and dropping to a 10, 11, or 12 seed may be the best case scenario long term. If we win the first game, we get a 2, 3, or 4 seed in the second round. Looking at those teams, we may have a chance to make it to the second weekend.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on March 08, 2010, 08:59:56 AM
We were fown by 17 with 4 minutes to go in the Syracuse game. If you watched the entire post-game presser, Boeheim said his team essentially gave up because they had such a commanding lead. In post-season play, that won't happen.
Agreed, but that was also at Syracuse, a very difficult team to play on the road especially for MU. Buzz also said the team didn't execute in that game, therefore the hair growing, also coming off a tough loss at DePaul.
Theoretically we will be playing on a neutral court. I just think with the toughness that this team has and the intensitiy they play at, it will be hard for any team to blow them out. Having said that, would not want to play any #1 seed in the second round.
Win and worry about it later. Given the rest of the field I'm convinced we will likely be stuck at an 8 or 9 whether we lose on Wednesday or if we win one or two this week.
Just looking at the teams that we could face in the 2nd round. Based on the Bracket Project's (http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm) current projections we can eliminate many of the 1/2 seeds already
Kentucky - most likely will play in Milwaukee
Syracuse - can't play in 2nd round
West Virginia - can't play in 2nd round
Villanova - can't play in 2nd round
Ohio State/Purdue - Winner of Big Ten will most likely play in Milwaukee as a 2 seed
Most likely opponents:
Duke
Kansas State
Kansas
Purdue/Ohio State
At this point, I'd say bring on Purdue. Or Kentucky, it would be great to see Lazar put up a triple double on them. ;)
Quote from: mumike22 on March 08, 2010, 09:37:39 AM
Just looking at the teams that we could face in the 2nd round. Based on the Bracket Project's (http://bracketproject.50webs.com/matrix.htm) current projections we can eliminate many of the 1/2 seeds already
Kentucky - most likely will play in Milwaukee
Syracuse - can't play in 2nd round
West Virginia - can't play in 2nd round
Villanova - can't play in 2nd round
Ohio State/Purdue - Winner of Big Ten will most likely play in Milwaukee as a 2 seed
Most likely opponents:
Duke
Kansas State
Kansas
Purdue/Ohio State
All of these teams are significantly better than any team we have beaten this year.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 08, 2010, 10:28:01 AM
All of these teams are significantly better than any team we have beaten this year.
True, but all have lost to "inferior" teams. Gotta love the dance.
I'll tell ya one thing, every single #1 seed hopes theyll play anyone but us in the second round.
Quote from: LightBlueJerseys on March 08, 2010, 10:36:35 AM
I'll tell ya one thing, every single #1 seed hopes theyll play anyone but us in the second round.
Really? Why?
because we are a SLEEPER. they can smell it
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 08, 2010, 10:38:51 AM
Really? Why?
because of our ability to shoot the 3... and we don't get blown out.
we are a nightmare matchup for the top teams in that respect.
Your dictionary of sports cliches is getting quite the workout. However, I don't think the potential #1 seeds are all that worried about a team whose best victory is against Xavier. I'm not saying we can't beat them, but to think that they are worried more about Marquette than "anyone else" is pretty silly.
anyone else in relativity to the other possible 8 or 9 seeds the could potentially face. but thank you, i'm a "word-of-the-daye"-er
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 08, 2010, 10:44:55 AM
because of our ability to shoot the 3... and we don't get blown out.
we are a nightmare matchup for the top teams in that respect.
"Nightmare"???? I understand that we have gone toe to toe with the upper echelon of the Big East, but I don't think that the likes of Kansas and Kentucky would tremble if they saw MU as a second round matchup. They are #1 seeds for a reason.....played the best and beat the best. I suspect that they aren't scared of playing anyone.
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on March 08, 2010, 10:53:51 AM
"Nightmare"???? I understand that we have gone toe to toe with the upper echelon of the Big East, but I don't think that the likes of Kansas and Kentucky would tremble if they saw MU as a second round matchup. They are #1 seeds for a reason.....played the best and beat the best. I suspect that they aren't scared of playing anyone.
yes, nightmare. I mean it. No one in their right mind should want to play MU in the tournament.
It is a bit embarassing to lose in the second round as a #1 seed.. and MU has the ability to knock anyone off on any given night.
If we are making our 3's we can beat anyone. If i was a number 1 seed I would hate to play us in the second round. We are experienced and can play with anyone. Our worst lost this year was only by 9 points. We played all the top teams in the Big East tough even Syracuse. I would rather not play a number 1 seed obviously, but when it comes down to it, we have a chance against any team.
I'd play any #1 seed.
Syracuse is a #1 seed and we played them AT THEIR PLACE pretty darn tough. Tournament games are strange. Being a 8/9 playing a 1 seed could be interesting. The longer we stay in a game the pressure is all on the #1 seed. Considering that we do not get blown out we become a tough team to put out.
I really think that Ohio State will make it too the Final Four this year -- Evan Turner is the best player I've seen and they are rolling. I see Kansas slipping up somewhere. Fun time of the year.
I would love to play kentucky even though its a scary matchup cousins/wall ---- i have no idea how we would defend these guys...
but.
I would rather see us go out with a bang and play a good game against UK than any other team. Going back to the Rupp / McGuire days and getting them back for say the 1972 game would be sweet. Lets be honest though , we should be worried about the first game regardless of the seeding , i am much more worried about playing a 9 seed and lose that game than i would be playing UK or KU or whatever. nothing worse than a first round tournament buzz kill .......... no pun intended.
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on March 08, 2010, 04:41:52 PM
I would love to play kentucky even though its a scary matchup cousins/wall ---- i have no idea how we would defend these guys...
but.
I would rather see us go out with a bang and play a good game against UK than any other team. Going back to the Rupp / McGuire days and getting them back for say the 1972 game would be sweet. Lets be honest though , we should be worried about the first game regardless of the seeding , i am much more worried about playing a 9 seed and lose that game than i would be playing UK or KU or whatever. nothing worse than a first round tournament buzz kill .......... no pun intended.
we paid back UK in full in 2003.
I read about 8 comments or so and then just skipped down to reply because many of you piss me off. You would honestly want to face UK or KU? They would absolutly punish us with their size. I wouldnt even be able to watch the game. They are the only 2 teams that scare me for our team to play. Tack on the fact the the 8/9 game is always even and impossible to predict. We may not even win the first game.
Now go look at lunardis bracket and look at all the 6,7,10,11 seeds and the 2 and 3's and tell me if any of them truly scare you. I would love to draw a 6 seed butler or 11 seed utah state again. I would love to play 2 seed new mexico or purdue over UK and KU.
Think. Its not that hard.
I wonder what it would take for MU to still get a 6/7 seed. What do you guys think? Win 3 in MSG? Does a 1st round win and a victory of Nova catapult us to a 7? I want MU to have no part of the 8/9 game. Only 1 seed I think they have a chance against would be Duke. MU would have to shoot an unbelievable 3 pt.% to have any shot against UK or Kansas to make up for all the easy 2 point FG's those teams would get.
beat Nova and we are no worse than a 7, and most likely that is what we are. Had we beat ND, the Nova game would probably give us a 6. We probably need to beat Cuse to get a 6 and yes Cuse. Not Gtown or USF or DePaul(ok i really got cocky). Although losing and being done by wednesday afternoon would suck, it would atleast give us a better seeed, probably an 11. So...
Quote from: Fullodds on March 08, 2010, 04:06:05 PM
I really think that Ohio State will make it too the Final Four this year -- Evan Turner is the best player I've seen and they are rolling. I see Kansas slipping up somewhere. Fun time of the year.
Yes Evan Turner is amazing and the Big Ten player of the week has become the Evan Turner Player of the week award...but he has had his games where he has disappeared. Also OSU might be one of the only top teams that has a shorter bench than we do. They have five guys and NOBODY...living in Columbus I would love and hate this match up. Win and I could gloat till football season...loose and I might not be able to show my face for a long time.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 08, 2010, 05:12:35 PM
I read about 8 comments or so and then just skipped down to reply because many of you piss me off. You would honestly want to face UK or KU? They would absolutly punish us with their size. I wouldnt even be able to watch the game. They are the only 2 teams that scare me for our team to play. Tack on the fact the the 8/9 game is always even and impossible to predict. We may not even win the first game.
Now go look at lunardis bracket and look at all the 6,7,10,11 seeds and the 2 and 3's and tell me if any of them truly scare you. I would love to draw a 6 seed butler or 11 seed utah state again. I would love to play 2 seed new mexico or purdue over UK and KU.
Think. Its not that hard.
I really don't think the point of this thread is that we would rather face a #1 seed. The point, I believe, is that facing a #1 seed is the most likely scenario this year, and that i may in fact offer the most opportunity. I for one would love to face KU, not only for the fact that it would be much more fulfilling to get to the sweet 16 after beating a team like that...but that I know our team would respond incredibly to a challenge like that. I also despise everything about KU and know their fans (and maybe their players???) are more scared of not making the final four than actually enjoying the excitement of getting there.
Guess what? Last time I heard it is one game. KU may beat us by 29 9 times out of ten, but we aren't playing 10 times, we are playing once and we would have absolutely nothing to lose. If you think our team would be intimidated or get destroyed by any of these teams then you must not have been watching the same team all year. Bring any of those teams.
Of course getting an 11 seed would be better to create a run, but we still have to win those games one at a time and nothing is a given. We are not going to win the national championship but besides a scenario where we could beat Wisconsin somewhere in the bracket, how good would that feel to ruin a season for Kentucky or Kansas? Last time I checked we have been a thorn in Kentucky's side in the tourney since it expanded, id love to see their fan reactions to matching against us.
exactly my point, nothing is a given even in a 8/9 game when the teams are even. So IF you win that then you get a 1 seed. No, i do not want to play KU or UK ever. I have watched this team all year and seen them step up but we have played nothing like KU or UK in terms of size. Aldrich and the Morris twins.....Patterson,Cousins and Orton. Then you have Wall,Bledsoe and company and Sherron Collins and Xavier Henry. It would be a nightmare for us. Im sorry, but its the truth. We dont want an 8/9 game if you want to see the second weekend.
We are kind of in a difficult situation right now. If we lose the first round game in the BET, we fall out of the 8-9, and possibly further and maybe onto the bubble. However, Butler and UTEP are the only teams left playing that will probably get an at large if they lose in their conference tournament, unless some small team wins their conference tournament (i.e. Georgia, a couple of years back).
If we win the first game, and also beat Villanova, do we knock them out of a 2? Does that bring MU up to a seven, and then we potentially play Ohio State (nope) or New Mexico (yes) or Temple (yes) as the new two?
The committee makes strange decisions over the years. Last year we basically showed in 3 games that we were equal of Villanova, who ended up a 3 and us a 6. Two years ago we were +32 over Notre Dame in 3 games and ended up a seed behind them.
Who knows what will happen at this point?
Temple wont get a 2
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 08, 2010, 09:45:20 PM
exactly my point, nothing is a given even in a 8/9 game when the teams are even. So IF you win that then you get a 1 seed. No, i do not want to play KU or UK ever. I have watched this team all year and seen them step up but we have played nothing like KU or UK in terms of size. Aldrich and the Morris twins.....Patterson,Cousins and Orton. Then you have Wall,Bledsoe and company and Sherron Collins and Xavier Henry. It would be a nightmare for us. Im sorry, but its the truth. We dont want an 8/9 game if you want to see the second weekend.
Nice defeatist attitude there. Truth is we are in March now when anything can happen. I want every part of any team matched against us. Not saying if I had a choice I would choose the 8/9 seed (id love to have the 12 seed), but the reality is we are nearly guaranteed to face #2 or # 1 seed in the second game if we can get there. Its March, we can lose to any team and we can beat any team.
Also, if you know anything about KU you know the only teams that have really given them trouble are ones that shoot the three very well. Oh and the Morris twins are the most overrated talented players I have seen, they would be average without Aldrich there.
the two's are very disparate this year. according to most, you could get a KSU, Villanova or a West Virginia. OR you could get a Big Ten champ (Purdue in a lot of places) or a mid major like New Mexico or even a surging Temple. Talk about luck of the draw.
I'd happily have MU play a #1 seed at any point in the NCAAs. No shame in losing, and a damn good chance at winning (yes, even against UK and KU).
Bring it!
HH32, here is my problem.
IF we face a mid major and lose, I would be extremely disappointed. If we face UK/KU, and lose I can still hold my head high.
After losing to teams we shouldn't lose to in the tournament for years... I'm just sick of it.