Foul when down 3! There is no debate! Just frickin' foul!
Quote from: BaltimoreMC on March 06, 2010, 03:24:49 PM
Foul when down 3! There is no debate! Just frickin' foul!
Really hard to blame anything done in the OT.
Game should've been won in the paint. I bet Buzz will mention the lack of paint touches (which is true).
But the ball was simply not falling today.
I feel like the seniors may have tried to do *too* much. Cubillan's decision-making was NOT there today. Mo forced some shots - a few not his fault as he was given the ball late in the shot clock or in bad positions - but he never was *in* the flow of the offense.
Zar's pushing under the basket finally caught up to him (was his 5th foul).
I hate ND. HATE HATE HATE them... Sucks....
finally the failure to foul catches up to us!!!!!!!! stupid coaching decision.
you are up three with no shot clock on , you foul , like the above post said, no argument there.
I dont care what lead up to that or after it in OT..... fouling is the most predictable thing we could have done in that situation to end the game...
how many games could we have ended this year in regulation due to failure to foul up 3, this is i believe at least the 4th game we could have ended by simply fouling the other team, instead of them getting a three.
Glad Brey showed Buzz how to do that with 8 secs to go in OT, when MU needed a 3.
Maybe with witnessing its proper application, Buzz will learn that 2 foul shots < 3 pointer and save us in the future.
you NEVER, NEVER allow a team to take a potential 3-point tying shot in the closing seconds. We survived the past couple of times, today we didn't. Hoefully Buzz learns, moves on, and we win a couple of games at the Garden.
Agreed. Plus buzz was just outcoached today. But let's face it, we foul ND they make both and you gotta figure sooner or later were bound to miss, like it or not. Then you have a two pt game and you give them a chance to win.
Why didn't we talk about this against St johns or SHU? Huh? Oh because we won. Don't act like this is the first time and get all p'oed just because we lost, because honestly were lucky we won those other 2. It's over and were in good shape, go win a few more MU!
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on March 06, 2010, 04:05:00 PM
finally the failure to foul catches up to us!!!!!!!! stupid coaching decision.
you are up three with no shot clock on , you foul , like the above post said, no argument there.
I dont care what lead up to that or after it in OT..... fouling is the most predictable thing we could have done in that situation to end the game...
how many games could we have ended this year in regulation due to failure to foul up 3, this is i believe at least the 4th game we could have ended by simply fouling the other team, instead of them getting a three.
And you would be wrong. This is the first game where it came back to hurt us...and for what its worth we could have rebounded and ended it first.
UC - We stopped them on the last possession in regulation.
SJU - We had the last shot reg & OT
SHU - We had the last possession in reg
This is a legitimate argument about what the best strategy is...but the foul only works in limited situations such as when ND fouled us with 3.5 seconds left. You should never be fouling with more than 5 seconds left so any argument that they could tie it up with 30 seconds to play like St. John's is pretty far fetched.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 06, 2010, 04:35:24 PM
Glad Brey showed Buzz how to do that with 8 secs to go in OT, when MU needed a 3.
Maybe with witnessing its proper application, Buzz will learn that 2 foul shots < 3 pointer and save us in the future.
Our free throw shooting in the clutch has been far from stellar so you can't foul with too much time on the clock. When during that last play should we have fouled? Honest question as I don't have a replay of ND's last possession. Before the heave from the corner where DJO could have easily been called for a foul on the 3 point shot? How much time was left then?
I think if Cooby doesn't leave his man, this doesn't get brought up.
Quote from: The Man in Gold on March 06, 2010, 05:52:47 PM
And you would be wrong. This is the first game where it came back to hurt us...and for what its worth we could have rebounded and ended it first.
UC - We stopped them on the last possession in regulation.
SJU - We had the last shot reg & OT
SHU - We had the last possession in reg
This is a legitimate argument about what the best strategy is...but the foul only works in limited situations such as when ND fouled us with 3.5 seconds left. You should never be fouling with more than 5 seconds left so any argument that they could tie it up with 30 seconds to play like St. John's is pretty far fetched.
+100000000000000. These "experts" who don't understand the difference between the between fouling with 3.5 seconds remaining up 3 and fouling with 10 seconds left up 3 don't understand basketball or math. MU played perfect defense on the original shooter and forced a total brick. When the errant shot went to Lazar's man he should have fouled him before the kick out. Maybe he didn't because it would have been his 5th, maybe he could get to him. Don't know.
I'm generally a proponent of fouling up 3 with less than 5 seconds remaining, though it's not nearly the slam dunk for a team of midgets like MU (who give up TONS of offensive rebouds) as it is for a big team like Syracuse.
Quote from: mufanatic on March 06, 2010, 06:07:08 PM
Our free throw shooting in the clutch has been far from stellar so you can't foul with too much time on the clock. When during that last play should we have fouled? Honest question as I don't have a replay of ND's last possession. Before the heave from the corner where DJO could have easily been called for a foul on the 3 point shot? How much time was left then?
Amen!
Give it a rest about the fouling. Too many variable when done with greater than 12 seconds or 10 seconds. IF DJO even hints for a foul Abromitas is hucking a shot looking to draw and thus taking 3 shots instead of 2-or maybe an and 1.
Sometimes a team just gets unlucky as the other team makes only 1 three before the final minute all game and hits two ridiculous 3's. Get over it and complain about something worth complaining about.
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on March 06, 2010, 04:05:00 PM
finally the failure to foul catches up to us!!!!!!!! stupid coaching decision.
you are up three with no shot clock on , you foul , like the above post said, no argument there.
I dont care what lead up to that or after it in OT..... fouling is the most predictable thing we could have done in that situation to end the game...
how many games could we have ended this year in regulation due to failure to foul up 3, this is i believe at least the 4th game we could have ended by simply fouling the other team, instead of them getting a three.
"Finally the failure to foul catches us to us"? Meaning all the other times we "failed" to foul didn't affect us? Sounds like you are pointing out exactly why there can be debate with the strategy. Sometimes fouling doesn't work, sometimes it does or might. Hindsight is 20/20. Does it make sense for a coach to have one approach and stick with it? Might it be better for the players to consistently know what their coach wants rather than need to find out what he wants in the heat of the moment?
And, go ahead and name those games.