Just checked in on TT's last chance for a Big Ten win this year and they are down 20 to Iowa with 4 min to go.
Tom crean put tanning lotion on Pittsburghs rims
Wonder if TC regrets walking away from MU?
i do love watching crean get buried again and again and again...
That's a horrible loss. Iowa does not have much talent to begin with and many of their upperclassmen transferred. In fact, Indiana even without Creek has more talent.
Pitt's loss to IU was worse than ours to DePaul. Neutral court and last I looked the Hoosiers were 31 spots lower in the RPI than the Blue Demons.
Crean's 2 year record is now 15-44. That is bad, even though he had a bare cupboard last year when he started there.
How much longer before the boosters/fans start calling for Alford? By the way, Alford has now won 83 games over his first 3 years at New Mexico, and they have several left this year. Not bad for getting run out of Iowa.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 28, 2010, 07:38:31 PM
Pitt's loss to IU was worse than ours to DePaul. Neutral court and last I looked the Hoosiers were 31 spots lower in the RPI than the Blue Demons.
I don't know. Pitt played without Gilbert Brown and it was Jermaine Dixon's first game back. And we lost to DePaul sans Koshwal who is by far their most talented player. I will say DePaul's win was more flukie though....I mean we had an 11 point lead if I recall correctly. Indiana just manhandled Pitt.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 28, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
Crean's 2 year record is now 15-44. That is bad, even though he had a bare cupboard last year when he started there.
How much longer before the boosters/fans start calling for Alford? By the way, Alford has now won 83 games over his first 3 years at New Mexico, and they have several left this year. Not bad for getting run out of Iowa.
Actually, if you go over and read IU's message board, the calling for Alford has already started. Gotta love it!!!! :)
I love the fans saying how things are going to get better. That team is crap, and they can't blame injuries. Buzz has lost 40 percent of his fall roster and has MU going to the tournament. TC has put together an absolutely awful squad that two years down the road will still be getting its butt kicked by Izzo, Count Chocula at UW, Ohio State and Purdue. It's Indiana, it's Indiana. It's 8-20, it's 8-20.
I probably loathe Crean more than most (due to knowing someone who worked for him and hearing many, many stories) but why are so many so fixated on a guy who has been gone a couple years now?
I guess some fans get more satisfaction out of a hated figure (or hated rival team) losing than they do when their favorite team wins.
We'll see what happens when Crean's players are gone and it's all Buzz's guys...
Quote from: mviale on February 28, 2010, 06:56:59 PM
Just checked in on TT's last chance for a Big Ten win this year and they are down 20 to Iowa with 4 min to go.
That was when they had Maurice Creek and the team was a lot different when a bonified star player was leading the charge. They've been totally different since he blew his knee out.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 28, 2010, 07:38:31 PM
Pitt's loss to IU was worse than ours to DePaul. Neutral court and last I looked the Hoosiers were 31 spots lower in the RPI than the Blue Demons.
You have to look at where they were in the RPI when they played them....they are a different team without Creek.
Even as bad as IU is, they still beat Pitt and won three Big Ten games (Michigan, Minnesota, Penn State). DePaul has one Big East victory in 2 years. ONE. Lost 16 of 17.
Iowa is atrocious and if they are blowing out Indiana by 16 points I have to think Indiana is mailing it in. I checked the stats for the game and they were pretty even except Iowa took 13 more free throws although they shot a terrible 68% so they only made 26 while Indiana made 20. They also list the attendance at 11,000 for the game. I somehow doubt that...
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=300592294
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2010, 10:04:26 PM
You have to look at where they were in the RPI when they played them....they are a different team without Creek.
Keep on believin Chicos....Yeah...Creek will bring you back to a lower middle of the pack Big10 team....lol.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2010, 10:04:26 PM
You have to look at where they were in the RPI when they played them....they are a different team without Creek.
True. Notre Dame lost its star player and are doing even better than with him. Common? No. But to have that big of a drop due to the loss of one player...
I hope TT over recruited as you know there will be some malcontents on this year's squad
I didn't say ever that Creek was the savior, but he is their best player and they were a much different team with him than without.
Rocky...not believing in anything...I picked them for 10th this year, possibly 9th. They're exactly where I thought they would be. Next year they should be around 7th, NIT team.
Pickle....how did Marquette do after Diener went down? It all depends on how reliant the team is on that specific player. How will Purdue due with Hummel's injury? It all depends if the player is a cog or the focal point.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2010, 10:15:30 PM
I didn't say ever that Creek was the savior, but he is their best player and they were a much different team with him than without.
Creek is a really talented player. I agree with you, when he went out, IU season (finishing above their projections) went out the window as well.
With that said, since IU lost to Purdue back in January by 3 points, they have been just terrible... Seven straight blowouts. The team looks like it has completely quit on Crean. Crean's IU rebuilding job has definitely fallen off the tracks. Will be interesting to see how much turnover occurs in the spring.
Quote from: RJax55 on February 28, 2010, 10:29:26 PM
Creek is a really talented player. I agree with you, when he went out, IU season (finishing above their projections) went out the window as well.
With that said, since IU lost to Purdue back in January by 3 points, they have been just terrible... Seven straight blowouts. The team looks like it has completely quit on Crean. Crean's IU rebuilding job has definitely fallen off the tracks. Will be interesting to see how much turnover occurs in the spring.
I agree completely. Since that Purdue game, something went out the door. He's lost that team, no question about it. There will be turnover this season, that is guaranteed. Some guys will be "House Creaned"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2010, 10:04:26 PM
You have to look at where they were in the RPI when they played them....they are a different team without Creek.
Are you saying they are better now than they were with Creek because their RPI has actually risen 18 spots since they lost Creek!! ;D
I'm assuming the weeks Warren Nolan uses align with the ranking weeks.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2010/schedule/Indiana (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2010/schedule/Indiana)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?seasonYear=2010&weekNumber=8&seasonType=2 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings?seasonYear=2010&weekNumber=8&seasonType=2)
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigten/2009-12-28-indiana-creek_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigten/2009-12-28-indiana-creek_N.htm)
Obviously they would have been better with Creek but they wheels have really fallen off. Will be interesting to see what happens in Bloomington this off-season. MU's previous coach isn't going anywhere just yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if anyone else was cut loose (including most of the players).
Touche. It's risen since then because of the SOS and their opponents records, not because of what they have done on the court. Back to the original point, IU with Creek is a lot different than without them. That's why Pitt's loss to IU with Creek is not as bad as MU's loss to DePaul (without Koshal).
Also, Pitt was w/o Gilbert Brown and I think Jermaine Dixon was still limited, or just coming back. Not that missing a couple players should be used as an excuse.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2010, 11:33:57 PM
Touche. It's risen since then because of the SOS and their opponents records, not because of what they have done on the court. Back to the original point, IU with Creek is a lot different than without them. That's why Pitt's loss to IU with Creek is not as bad as MU's loss to DePaul (without Koshal).
I think that just goes to show how f*ed up the RPI thing is. Lose 10 straight, mostly blow outs and move up in the RPI. ?-(
Was Creek ill when they lost to Boston U and Loyola (Md)?
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 01, 2010, 07:58:51 AM
I think that just goes to show how f*ed up the RPI thing is. Lose 10 straight, mostly blow outs and move up in the RPI. ?-(
Well, it's a mathematical function, so expecting it to move in a logical way according to on the court results may be illogical at times due to the sheer number of games (all opponents and all opponents' opponents).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 28, 2010, 10:15:30 PM
Pickle....how did Marquette do after Diener went down? It all depends on how reliant the team is on that specific player. How will Purdue due with Hummel's injury? It all depends if the player is a cog or the focal point.
I would call Harangody a focal point...yet his team is playing better without him.