A 3 pt shot from Butler?
I have a feeling that was supposed to be for Mo, but he had to kick it to Jimmy. I thought he did a much better job at the end of regulation tonight than he has in most of our other close games. On most nights, I would have to agree with you though
Butler's a 54% 3-point shooter. He had a wide open look and almost nailed it - I don't see how that's a bad play. Plus I don't think that was intended to be the first option.
Quote from: dsfire on February 24, 2010, 08:42:27 PM
Butler's a 54% 3-point shooter. He had a wide open look and almost nailed it - I don't see how that's a bad play. Plus I don't think that was intended to be the first option.
The game is tied. No reason for a 3 pt shot. And Hayward should have touched the ball more.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 24, 2010, 08:39:52 PM
A 3 pt shot from Butler?
You're complaining about a ridiculously wide open look for a guy shooting better than 54 percent out there?
Hmmm.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 24, 2010, 08:39:52 PM
A 3 pt shot from Butler?
Do you honestly think that was option #1 on that play?
I thought it was a great look; just about as good a shot as we could have asked for.
well the whole thing looked like a pathetic attempt at a drawn up play .......
there wasnt even a thought about going inside .
buzz is really a sub par coach all around, decent recruiter thus far..... but man these game decisions are making me scratch my head.
thE bigger concern should be allowing a three pointer witha foul to give. No threes with that much time left and a foul to give it's logical
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 24, 2010, 08:39:52 PM
A 3 pt shot from Butler?
You're the same guy who gets pissy when the other team gets open looks at threes at end game situations. Give it up...
Quote from: ErickJD08 on February 24, 2010, 08:46:01 PM
You're the same guy who gets pissy when the other team gets open looks at threes at end game situations. Give it up...
Like today when MU was up 3 and gave up the wide open 3 pt shot and they could have fouled before that?
Buzz calls time out and has them run their offense. Butler decides to be the man both times. missed 1, should have missed a second one, but he did it without fear. SJU made a helluva defensive play on the near strip.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 24, 2010, 08:57:27 PM
Like today when MU was up 3 and gave up the wide open 3 pt shot and they could have fouled before that?
The guy who hit that shot was a 22% 3 PT shooter. You have the game clock in your favor with plenty of time left up 3. Little different than fouling vs. Cincy up 3 with under 7 seconds left. Odds are, the 22% 3 PT shooter doesn't hit that one again in the same situation all season.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 24, 2010, 08:57:27 PM
Like today when MU was up 3 and gave up the wide open 3 pt shot and they could have fouled before that?
I get the feeling Gumbey lives in the world of could of, should of, would of. It's the story of his life, and thus explains why he is so pessimistic in all of his posts. This topic and his post are par for his course. How miserable are you dude? Get yourself some help.
If you have been watching at the end of the season, Buzz goes to Jimmry and lets him create. I have no problem with Buzz doing this every game and it is a great strategy since it has worked!!!!!!!!
I guess Buzz should have drawn up his magic get Marquette an uncontested layup play.
Every end of game possession is the same for every team. Some type of iso or pick and roll from the top of the key. It's about players making plays at the end of the game.
I am not sure if you're actually flame or just an insanely negative person.
Buzz coached perfectly on offense at the end of the game. The first play looked like it broke down, the second started fine and JButt made a huge shot after it got knocked away. Buzz called two TO's, drew up the play, both resulted in good things--a wide open three, and a clutch shot. I'll take that any day.
you know what i could give crap we could look at alot of things ackers missed Ft's and a bunch of other stuff. Who cares we freaking won. Mu is so close to punching their ticket. Buzz is going to be a media darling and possible BE cocah of the year. What will this guy do on the recruitng trail after a season like this??/ He got 2 top 15 classes when know one even knew his name!!
Look - we had a lot of trouble scoring inside - a wide open 3 from a 54%R shooter - why not.
On the 3 where SJU tied it at end of regulation, I was looking more for the pickter fence concept protecting the 3 point line - who cares if they get a 2? But we slipped up on D and left that guy open.
But. . . we won :)
Absolutely true Mr. Hayward.
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on February 24, 2010, 08:44:24 PM
well the whole thing looked like a pathetic attempt at a drawn up play .......
there wasnt even a thought about going inside .
buzz is really a sub par coach all around, decent recruiter thus far..... but man these game decisions are making me scratch my head.
I don't even know what to say to that.
The fact that Buzz is being called a bad coach is insane.
We have two completely undersized guards, 2 JUCO players, and Lazar - and they have 9 wins in the Big East!!!
A conference that's loaded with mcdonalds all americans, and guys that stand 6'7'' and above.
Buzz has done an amazing job with so little talent. To criticize him after another great win on the road is incredible.
We are Marquette!!
Quote from: beaconwarrior on February 24, 2010, 09:16:18 PM
The fact that Buzz is being called a bad coach is insane.
We have two completely undersized guards, 2 JUCO players, and Lazar - and they have 9 wins in the Big East!!!
A conference that's loaded with mcdonalds all americans, and guys that stand 6'7'' and above.
Buzz has done an amazing job with so little talent. To criticize him after another great win on the road is incredible.
We are Marquette!!
Insane indeed. We Are Marquette!
Great win. Doesn't matter if it's ugly or whatever, just get the W and we did. Pitt would've loved an ugly win at ND tonight.
My only criticism on the end of game plays is that we do wait really long to initiate the offense. I realize you don't want to give the other team the opportunity to get a shot off, but starting a second or two earlier wouldn't hurt. Jimmy's look in regulation was a good look, but he clearly rushed it b/c the clock was about to run out.
Huge win!!!!!!
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 24, 2010, 08:57:27 PM
Like today when MU was up 3 and gave up the wide open 3 pt shot and they could have fouled before that?
It would have been stupid for MU to foul then. SJU got the ball with 36.7 seconds left with the worst scenario being they would be tied and there would still be time left for Buzz to call a time out for a game winner...which is exactly what occurred even though MU missed. If we foul, the shot clock resets at 35 and SJU can take more time to get a shot up taking any leverage away from Buzz nad our defense. Buzz played it well all the way through tonight. Good use of time outs to stop runs on the road.
I think Buzz did/is doing fine. I think what these end of game situations really highlight is that Lazar (and most of the team for that matter) really can't create their own shots. That's why we keep seeing Jimmy with the ball in these situations, because between he and DJO, he's definitely the elder statesman and gets the last shot. The fact that we lack guys to create their own shots only highlights how handcuffed Buzz is in these situations, because defenses can choke up knowing that guys won't shake loose 1 v 1.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 24, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
It would have been stupid for MU to foul then. SJU got the ball with 36.7 seconds left with the worst scenario being they would be tied and there would still be time left for Buzz to call a time out for a game winner...which is exactly what occurred even though MU missed. If we foul, the shot clock resets at 35 and SJU can take more time to get a shot up taking any leverage away from Buzz nad our defense. Buzz played it well all the way through tonight. Good use of time outs to stop runs on the road.
Didn't MU have a foul to give at that point?
I was all over Buzz the entire game. I don't have a voice left but I have respect for the guy. In the beginning of the game he didn't have a clue but he adjust midway through the first half and started trapping the ball along the perimeter putting an end to St. John's ring around the rosie hand the ball off offense. It worked.
I also thought Buzz did a nice job of making sure he got the ball by his bench in order to call TO's at the end of the game. I had a bird's eye view of his huddles and saw he drew up a few plays per TO I guess going over a few options.
He did run pretty much the same play coming out of each TO at the end of the game running everything through Hayward and Butler running off of screens from each other but hey who wouldn't run something for those 2 guys?
Obviously the people posting about the lack of end of game strategy have never played basketball before... you don't set up a play specifically for ONE guy at the end of a game. You set up a play with multiple options and rely on the basketball IQ of your players to recognize the best possible option and go from there... I have no problems with either play at the end of the game and neither should anyone else. A wide open 3 from JB and letting JB create off the dribble are both good options. Who knows, if the ball doesn't get stripped who is to say that JB doesn't dish it off to someone for another wide open look... it just so happened that it DID get stripped and he took the ONLY option available at that point which was a jump shot as time expired... and game over
great thread. buzz did a great job of managing this game.
buzzer beating win in OT on the road. end of argument.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 24, 2010, 08:39:52 PM
A 3 pt shot from Butler?
geez gumball, either yer trying to hone some deep seated desire to poke a journalistic stick at us and create a "buzz" about BUZZ or you're showing signs of that trike crash without a helmit when you were four years old. sub-par coach?? let's be honest here-what were our expectations coming in to this season?? i believe buzz has blown all of those up. this was one tough atmosphere and we're flyin home with a W ;D
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on February 24, 2010, 08:44:24 PM
well the whole thing looked like a pathetic attempt at a drawn up play .......
there wasnt even a thought about going inside .
buzz is really a sub par coach all around, decent recruiter thus far..... but man these game decisions are making me scratch my head.
I want to take a moment this morning to nominate you as having the most pathetic posts on this board. Thank you for all the laughs.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 24, 2010, 11:24:24 PM
Didn't MU have a foul to give at that point?
And where didn't I say that we had one to give? I again remind you there was also 36.7 seconds on the shot clock and we had a three point lead. Why use your empty foul with the lead? And then reset the shot clock? What does wasting a foul with that much time and a 3 point lead get you? Nothing.
An empty foul there is wasted as it then puts SJU in the bonus on the next foul AND there is still plenty of time to get off a designed play and shot--in a less contested way because you just had us waste our non-shooting foul. Or, under your plan, this would put SJU to the foul line if the 2nd foul occurred for free points and without any time ticking off. Why not save that foul in case some one breaks free on a drive? Why would you want to reset the time clock -- and eliminate a valuable chance for a last shot to win? Why not play the odds that a 22% trey shooter will miss? Why stop the clock so Norm Roberts can set up a designed play? At that point with the 3 point lead, you want to speed up the game.
Now, your argument makes sense if MU has a three point lead under 10 seconds to play...where fouling and the inbounding takes up valuable time. What if SJU missed the three, MU got the rebound, came down and missed the free throws. Wouldn't you want to waste your foul with 15 seconds left? At 36.7, not so much.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 24, 2010, 10:03:13 PM
It would have been stupid for MU to foul then. SJU got the ball with 36.7 seconds left with the worst scenario being they would be tied and there would still be time left for Buzz to call a time out for a game winner...which is exactly what occurred even though MU missed. If we foul, the shot clock resets at 35 and SJU can take more time to get a shot up taking any leverage away from Buzz nad our defense. Buzz played it well all the way through tonight. Good use of time outs to stop runs on the road.
Agree. You don't foul in that situation unless there is under 10 seconds to play. With that much time on the clock, you let it play out.