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Title: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 24, 2010, 08:37:31 PM
This game would be over now if the refs hadn't missed the obvious goaltend on Jr.'s lay-up in the first half.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: TallTitan34 on February 24, 2010, 08:38:16 PM
Refs have been brutal in all of college basketball this year.  That's the fifth missed goaltending call I've seen in the last 2 weeks.

Complete joke.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: schubert33 on February 24, 2010, 08:40:55 PM
I didn't think when Acker got fouled it was on the ground, that would have been a goaltend called right.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: MUCrew on February 24, 2010, 08:45:23 PM
The analyst was saying that it's a rule in college that if the ball is on it's way up and hits the glass and continues it's way up, it's fair play. 

If true, that's gotta be the dumbest rule I've heard. 
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: Blackhat on February 24, 2010, 09:02:34 PM
Cadougs shot it off the top block, if that ball was still going up after hitting the backboard it'd be a 20 ft ricochet. 
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: Sawsi on February 24, 2010, 09:03:17 PM
How is that even possible that the ball would still be going up after hitting the backboard?  You would have to be right underneath throwing the ball straight up and then grazing the backboard and hoping for it to drop down.

That had to have been the announcer just trying to prove himself right?  Right?  ?-(
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: jaygall31 on February 24, 2010, 09:16:05 PM
Quote from: MUCrew on February 24, 2010, 08:45:23 PM
The analyst was saying that it's a rule in college that if the ball is on it's way up and hits the glass and continues it's way up, it's fair play. 

If true, that's gotta be the dumbest rule I've heard. 

+1
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on February 24, 2010, 09:18:22 PM
That announcer was terrible.  Both were goaltends.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: romey on February 24, 2010, 09:18:57 PM
I was thinking the same thing, the only time the ball hits the backboard and continues upward is during the Mikan drill!
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: lab_warrior on February 24, 2010, 09:19:51 PM
The Cadougan layup, that was one HORRENDOUS missed call.  Not even debatable.  And that announcer is an IDIOT for trying to rationalize that it was on its way up AFTER it hit glass.  I took physics...NOT POSSIBLE.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: IAmMarquette on February 24, 2010, 09:23:00 PM
Quote from: lab_warrior on February 24, 2010, 09:19:51 PM
The Cadougan layup, that was one HORRENDOUS missed call.  Not even debatable.  And that announcer is an IDIOT for trying to rationalize that it was on its way up AFTER it hit glass.  I took physics...NOT POSSIBLE.


Apparently you didn't do very well  ;D
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on February 24, 2010, 09:24:58 PM
ackers deal was over ruled as being on the flooor.  he hits a ft and we win alot of possesions that mattered.  mu wins is all that matters
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: MUFan11 on February 24, 2010, 09:28:04 PM
Junior's drive to the hole on that play was great, can't wait to see more of him in the future.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: Blackhat on February 24, 2010, 09:29:42 PM
Quote from: MUFan11 on February 24, 2010, 09:28:04 PM
Junior's drive to the hole on that play was great, can't wait to see more of him in the future.

I thought so as well.  He looked a lot more comfortable out there today.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: lab_warrior on February 24, 2010, 09:30:18 PM
Well, if you shoot the ball UPWARD, and there's this phenomenon called GRAVITY, the ball comes back DOWNWARD.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: 21Jumpstreet on February 24, 2010, 09:32:34 PM
Quote from: lab_warrior on February 24, 2010, 09:30:18 PM
Well, if you shoot the ball UPWARD, and there's this phenomenon called GRAVITY, the ball comes back DOWNWARD.

The guy was playing second fiddle to Beth Mowins, what did you expect?
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: romey on February 24, 2010, 09:34:12 PM
Quote from: lab_warrior on February 24, 2010, 09:30:18 PM
Well, if you shoot the ball UPWARD, and there's this phenomenon called GRAVITY, the ball comes back DOWNWARD.
So if I offered you $100 to make a basketball hit the backboard and continue upward, you couldn't make that happen?   ?-(
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: wall2978 on February 24, 2010, 09:35:47 PM
Yes, but it still is possible the ball can go in an upward direction after hitting the backboard
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: lab_warrior on February 24, 2010, 09:38:07 PM
IT WASN'T.  All you have to do is look at the replay.  Cadougan wasn't Gervin-esque underhanded fingerrolling the thing, so the ball really could have only been on a downward path.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: Blackhat on February 24, 2010, 09:38:59 PM
It's definitely possible and there's some shots you need it to keep venturing north especially english shots from your hip but if Cadougan hits the top block and it was still going up,

first of all the guy wouldn't have touched it and

second it'd be a long ricochet to the middle of the paint

and third the video showed it was good/normal touch by Cadougs and on its way down.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: TheGym on February 24, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
Just for the record, the announcer was absolutely wrong.  The rule in the NCAA is that it is a goaltend if you get it coming off the glass.  He was a moron on that calland was able to keep his consistency throughout the entire game.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: wall2978 on February 24, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
But to say it is IMPOSSIBLE is radiculous
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: lab_warrior on February 24, 2010, 09:41:10 PM
Okay okay okay.  Fine.  My point is on that particular play, it was impossible for the ball to be going upward. 
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: romey on February 24, 2010, 09:42:41 PM
Quote from: TheGym on February 24, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
Just for the record, the announcer was absolutely wrong.  The rule in the NCAA is that it is a goaltend if you get it coming off the glass.  He was a moron on that calland was able to keep his consistency throughout the entire game.
By the way, the announcer in question (Jim Spanarkel) was a damn good college ballplayer.  All-American at Duke in late 70's and first round NBA draft pick.  (That doesn't make him a good announcer though).
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: dsfire on February 24, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
Quote from: TheGym on February 24, 2010, 09:39:12 PM
Just for the record, the announcer was absolutely wrong.  The rule in the NCAA is that it is a goaltend if you get it coming off the glass.  He was a moron on that calland was able to keep his consistency throughout the entire game.
You're right - I pulled this off the NCAA's basketball rules pdf:
QuoteArt. 3. When the entire ball is above the level of the ring during a field-goal
try and contacts the backboard, it is considered to be on its downward flight.
In such a case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: pillardean on February 24, 2010, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: MUFan11 on February 24, 2010, 09:28:04 PM
Junior's drive to the hole on that play was great, can't wait to see more of him in the future.

Whether it was goaltending or not it was a great play.

I thought JC showed real promise tonight.
Title: Re: Obvious Missed Goaltend
Post by: MUCrew on February 24, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
Quote from: dsfire on February 24, 2010, 09:49:14 PM
You're right - I pulled this off the NCAA's basketball rules pdf:

Art. 3. When the entire ball is above the level of the ring during a field-goal
try and contacts the backboard, it is considered to be on its downward flight.
In such a case, it is goaltending when the ball is touched by a player.


There you go.....the analyst as well as the officials are idiots. 

JC, as well as the rest of the guys that came off the bench tonight, really played well, imo.  They came in, and for the most part did their job.  Dare I say that I thought they COULD have played more minutes tonight?
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