I see Wisconsin-madison is. So is DePaul, Louisville and Michigan State
http://ilprepbullseye.com/page26.html
We have been, but there's a lot of shall we say issues with Shaw. He's best friends with Wayne Blackshear, and the same problems that Bullseye keeps harping on with Blackshear are at play with Shaw. At one time they talked about going to the same school, but that seems to have faded due to the fact that the schools that want Wayne don't have as much interest in Shaw, and vice versa.
Additionally, Shaw has always been one of those kids who's image is built on what he should be rather than what he is. Shaw has all the skills to be an inside post stud, but is more content to stay on the perimeter and shoot jumpers even when he could dominate inside.
But Bo offered him, and we know Bo would never travel down that type of road....
I think he's interested in bigger name schools.
Shaw was at the Badger game today along with JP Tokoto (3rd game this year) and a bunch of others.
Quote from: thebadge10 on February 21, 2010, 09:02:19 PM
Shaw was at the Badger game today along with JP Tokoto (3rd game this year) and a bunch of others.
Maybe Carmody had them there to see NU.
If Howard Moore gets Bo some Chicago talent that'd be pretty lethal.
Moore seems like a very good recruiter to get visits from some of these kids, not to mention his strong relationship with Blue that he built.
Not that easy to recruit elite african american recruits to Wisconsin.
wonder why his HS got whupped by St Benedict's - maybe not BE talent
Quote from: Stone Cold on February 21, 2010, 09:11:13 PM
If Howard Moore gets Bo some Chicago talent that'd be pretty lethal.
Moore seems like a very good recruiter to get visits from some of these kids, not to mention his strong relationship with Blue that he built.
Not that easy to recruit elite african american recruits to Wisconsin.
I don't know why you would say that?
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
I don't know why you would say that?
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You definitely get a "Upp-er" feel when looking at their roster.... not that there's anything wrong with some fellow white homie's overachieving under bo's great tutelage.
It really is mind boggling Bo can get that group to shut down an MSU even if it is at the Kohl Center.
Quote from: mviale on February 21, 2010, 09:20:07 PM
wonder why his HS got whupped by St Benedict's - maybe not BE talent
Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about. There's a reason St. Benedict's is ranked #4 in the country. They are one of, if not the most talented high school team in the country. They have high major players as back ups that see almost no minutes because of the talent on that team. Shaw is a definite high major player, but De La Salle isn't a national program like St. Benedict's.
Quote from: bma725 on February 21, 2010, 07:56:15 PM
We have been, but there's a lot of shall we say issues with Shaw. He's best friends with Wayne Blackshear, and the same problems that Bullseye keeps harping on with Blackshear are at play with Shaw. At one time they talked about going to the same school, but that seems to have faded due to the fact that the schools that want Wayne don't have as much interest in Shaw, and vice versa.
Additionally, Shaw has always been one of those kids who's image is built on what he should be rather than what he is. Shaw has all the skills to be an inside post stud, but is more content to stay on the perimeter and shoot jumpers even when he could dominate inside.
This surprises me a bit. I thought Bo and his program didn't recruit kids like this.
Just found this
Mike Shaw ... The player and prospect
"The biggest cause for concern when it comes to ballyhooed young basketball players is accepting who they are as players. When a player comes into high school and the hype surrounding him is insurmountable, there are only two ways to go: stay right at that level or take a dip. With the hype some kids have early on, it's rarely ever possible to surpass it. Such is the case with De La Salle's Mike Shaw.
Mike Shaw does not have to be the Next Big Thing. He doesn't have to be a top 10 national player or a future McDonald's All-American. There isn't a player in the talented Class of 2011 who has been critiqued more than the 6-8 Shaw, mostly due to the early and lofty expectations. But there is nothing wrong with who he is as a player, especially after watching him grow into the player that he is over the past month. In Saturday's win over Simeon he showed what he is, which is a high-major player who was up at the rim an awful lot, extremely active and a skilled passing big man who will be a solid face-up 4-man at the college level. Shaw's performance was the best the Hoops Report has seen from him in a long time.
It's almost become blasphemy for fans to accept a player being "just" a solid high-major prospect when they've been sold by others way too early that the player is so much more. But what in the world is wrong with being a solid high-major prospect, which means you are one of the better high school basketball players out there?
I feel for the kid (and others like him) who have so little to gain after being judged, fairly or unfairly, so early in their career. Talk with Shaw or anyone who is around him, from his high school coaches to his AAU coaches to the college coaches who are recruiting him, and you'll see and hear he is a terrific kid who works hard. I'm happy for Mike" Shaw in becoming the player that he is.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/
I thought Bo and his program didn't recruit kids like this..
Kids like what? Does he attend a Christian Nike Life Skills Academy with 12 other students? Is he heading for the Clearinghouse? Has he played on a pro team? Is he getting bad grades reversed by taking online classes? Headed for Junior College?
Please clarify. ?-(
Quote from: butchbadger on February 23, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
I thought Bo and his program didn't recruit kids like this..
Kids like what? Does he attend a Christian Nike Life Skills Academy with 12 other students? Is he heading for the Clearinghouse? Has he played on a pro team? Is he getting bad grades reversed by taking online classes? Headed for Junior College?
Please clarify. ?-(
Get a life
Quote from: butchbadger on February 23, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
I thought Bo and his program didn't recruit kids like this..
Kids like what? Does he attend a Christian Nike Life Skills Academy with 12 other students? Is he heading for the Clearinghouse? Has he played on a pro team? Is he getting bad grades reversed by taking online classes? Headed for Junior College?
Please clarify. ?-(
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on February 23, 2010, 10:20:36 AM
Get a life
More like...Get a clue.
QuotePlease clarify.
Vander Blue anyone
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Quote from: butchbadger on February 23, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
I thought Bo and his program didn't recruit kids like this..
Kids like what? Does he attend a Christian Nike Life Skills Academy with 12 other students? Is he heading for the Clearinghouse? Has he played on a pro team? Is he getting bad grades reversed by taking online classes? Headed for Junior College?
Please clarify. ?-(
I wish Buzz Williams would only recruit white kids from Northern Wisconsin and Minnesota who are high school players that haven't had to endure challenged childhoods, fractured homes, multiple moves to different school districts, etc. Only then could we satisfy our elite UW fan base.
The reality is it is only going to get scarier for UW fans with regard to recruiting against MU for high school kids. Buzz is getting this program stabilized quite well with the JUCO's, but based on who he has signed out of High Schools, he seems to be pretty capable of landing consistent Top 100 High School talent.
As long as he is not related to Dick Shaw
bma,
Have you seen/heard anything on our current level of interest in Shaw? Seems like we haven't been on him as much the past few months or so...?
Quote from: butchbadger on February 23, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
I thought Bo and his program didn't recruit kids like this..
Kids like what? Does he attend a Christian Nike Life Skills Academy with 12 other students? Is he heading for the Clearinghouse? Has he played on a pro team? Is he getting bad grades reversed by taking online classes? Headed for Junior College?
Please clarify. ?-(
If you're looking for a real answer then read this (http://ilprepbullseye.com/page40.html) regarding Blackshear and Shaw. Two peas in a pod.
Quote from: butchbadger on February 23, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
I thought Bo and his program didn't recruit kids like this..
Please clarify. ?-(
According to your boards, you don't recruit kids like Mike Shaw. Why the change now?
Quote from: butchbadger on February 23, 2010, 10:13:56 AM
I thought Bo and his program didn't recruit kids like this..
Kids like what? Does he attend a Christian Nike Life Skills Academy with 12 other students? Is he heading for the Clearinghouse? Has he played on a pro team? Is he getting bad grades reversed by taking online classes? Headed for Junior College?
Please clarify. ?-(
I think what he meant was kids who become burglars (Diamond Taylor, Jeremy Glover), rapists (Marcetteaus McGee) and woman beaters (Boo Wade).
I mean, sure, they steal and abuse women, but at least they never went to (shriek!) junior college or (gasp!) had to improve their grades.
For people who live in glass houses, you guys sure love tossing stones.
More from bullseye:
We also find it interesting that sources close to the recruitment of 6'7 class of 2011 forward Mike Shaw from De LaSalle Institute in Chicago have told us that Shaw's family, particularly his older brother, is trying to take more control of his recruitment. Consequently, a definite power struggle exists between the family and those who are currently the most influential powers behind Shaw's recruitment (the same powers who are in charge of Blackshear's recruitment). Shaw plays on the same traveling team as Blackshear and is also one of the top ranked prospects in the state from the 2011 class. Assuming that the handlers don't get what they are looking for when it comes to either Blackshear or Shaw, don't be surprised if Blackshear remains a Louisville recruit when the dust clears. That is why we continue to stand by our belief that the alleged package deal that is being sought for Blackshear and Shaw will not take place.
Quote from: damuts222 on February 23, 2010, 10:32:38 AM
Vander Blue anyone
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Bo cooled on him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 21, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
I don't know why you would say that?
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Christ, it's the cast of the Children of the Corn movies all grown up.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 23, 2010, 11:52:00 AM
If you're looking for a real answer then read this (http://ilprepbullseye.com/page40.html) regarding Blackshear and Shaw. Two peas in a pod.
There is a lot of ignorance and not so subtle racism on display in this thread.
Shaw has ties to the Irvins. Vander has ties to Auriential. The high ground remains unoccupied.
Marquette remains involved with Mike Shaw.
Quote from: dennycrane on February 23, 2010, 04:41:43 PM
There is a lot of ignorance and not so subtle racism on display in this thread.
Why did you quote me when you said that? I did nothing except link the article that BMA had referenced earlier in the thread.
There's not "subtle racism" on display, either. It's just a function of a ridiculously politically correct society that we can't say that Bo Ryan signs a lot more white kids than black kids. It's the truth. Who knows why? Maybe Bo just doesn't get along with kids from cities with more than 30k residents?
The only high ground is that Bo recruits shady kids just like every high major coach including Buzz. It's part of the game. People dwelling on how shady the NCAA is and claiming their team doesn't recruit kids with handlers is either from Alverno, is lying to others or is lying to themselves.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 23, 2010, 05:14:27 PM
Why did you quote me when you said that? I did nothing except link the article that BMA had referenced earlier in the thread.
There's not "subtle racism" on display, either.
There is more than subtle racism going on...it is pretty blatant. There's the implication that white basketball players cannot play the game as well. And then there is Ners ridiculous comment:
Quote from: Ners on February 23, 2010, 10:42:54 AM
I wish Buzz Williams would only recruit white kids from Northern Wisconsin and Minnesota who are high school players that haven't had to endure challenged childhoods, fractured homes, multiple moves to different school districts, etc. Only then could we satisfy our elite UW fan base.
I guess white kids don't endure challenged childhoods and come from fractured homes.
Don't get me wrong. The Badger Board's superiority complex with regards to junior college transfers is annoying, but these type of threads make us look bad.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 23, 2010, 05:27:20 PM
There is more than subtle racism going on...it is pretty blatant. There's the implication that white basketball players cannot play the game as well. And then there is Ners ridiculous comment:
I guess white kids don't endure challenged childhoods and come from fractured homes.
Don't get me wrong. The Badger Board's superiority complex with regards to junior college transfers is annoying, but these type of threads make us look bad.
Whoa, I don't think that's the implication at all. White basketball players can play just as African American or anyone else. Where did anyone say white players couldn't ball?
There is really no doubt, however, that there is perception out there exists that Duke, UW-Madison, Vanderbilt and a few others seem to have a high majority of players from suburban America and that looks different than other college teams.
Doesn't mean it's bad or wrong or anything else, but that is the perception. So much so, that it's been a topic of conversation on their message boards of those schools for years, including UW-madison's. Just look at the Vander Blue and Wes Matthews recruiting threads of years past and it's brought up all the time by their own fans.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 23, 2010, 05:27:20 PM
There is more than subtle racism going on...it is pretty blatant. There's the implication that white basketball players cannot play the game as well. And then there is Ners ridiculous comment:
I guess white kids don't endure challenged childhoods and come from fractured homes.
Don't get me wrong. The Badger Board's superiority complex with regards to junior college transfers is annoying, but these type of threads make us look bad.
- As for my ridiculous comment, it was in response to badgerbutch's statement calling into question MU having signed kids from Christian Life Academy (Cadougan), kids who have played professionally (Mbao), and JUCO's. Basically, badgerbutch was comparing MU's recruits to UW's recruits (who are predominately white.) I never said white kids can't ball. But rather, responding to Badgerbutch who painted MU in a bad light with regard to who they recruit. And yes, Sultan, of course white kids can come from fractured homes and challenged childhoods, but let's be real for a minute and acknowledge far more black kids come from more challenging enviornments, than do most white kids. You can't dispute that, and there is nothing racist about it. By Butch's standards and other UW fans, MU will only live up to "its level," once we recruit predominately white, suburban, or rural kids.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 23, 2010, 05:42:49 PM
Whoa, I don't think that's the implication at all. White basketball players can play just as African American or anyone else. Where did anyone say white players couldn't ball?
There is really no doubt, however, that there is perception out there exists that Duke, UW-Madison, Vanderbilt and a few others seem to have a high majority of players from suburban America and that looks different than other college teams.
Doesn't mean it's bad or wrong or anything else, but that is the perception. So much so, that it's been a topic of conversation on their message boards of those schools for years, including UW-madison's. Just look at the Vander Blue and Wes Matthews recruiting threads of years past and it's brought up all the time by their own fans.
Oh please Chicos. The digs at UW's predominantly white basketball team by many on this board and their lack of "athleticism" are basically racist statements.
Quote from: Ners on February 23, 2010, 05:54:55 PM
- As for my ridiculous comment, it was in response to badgerbutch's statement calling into question MU having signed kids from Christian Life Academy (Cadougan), kids who have played professionally (Mbao), and JUCO's. Basically, badgerbutch was comparing MU's recruits to UW's recruits (who are predominately white.) I never said white kids can't ball. But rather, responding to Badgerbutch who painted MU in a bad light with regard to who they recruit. And yes, Sultan, of course white kids can come from fractured homes and challenged childhoods, but let's be real for a minute and acknowledge far more black kids come from more challenging enviornments, than do most white kids. You can't dispute that, and there is nothing racist about it. By Butch's standards and other UW fans, MU will only live up to "its level," once we recruit predominately white, suburban, or rural kids.
Making blanket statements about racial groups, and applying them to individuals within the racial group without really knowing their background, is pretty much the definition of racism.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 23, 2010, 06:53:22 PM
Oh please Chicos. The digs at UW's predominantly white basketball team by many on this board and their lack of "athleticism" are basically racist statements.
Sorry, I don't see it. First you said they couldn't play basketball, now you're changing to athleticism. On the basketball front, I'd disagree with you completely. UW-madison has a very good team. I've argued here that they are the best team we've played all year. The athleticism part is a different argument which you seem to be changing the criteria on.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 23, 2010, 05:27:20 PM
There is more than subtle racism going on...it is pretty blatant. There's the implication that white basketball players cannot play the game as well.
The Racist Manifesto:
http://www.nba.com/players/
Keep fighting the power!
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2010, 06:57:04 PM
The Racist Manifesto:
http://www.nba.com/players/
Keep fighting the power!
So let me guess your logic...
-There are more black NBA players than white ones (Me: Yep)
-There are more white guys on UW-Madison's roster than the typical college team (Me: Yep)
-Therefore UW-Madison's players aren't as good. (Me: Nope)
But the last point is the one that is consistently alluded as truth by this group. Otherwise why keep posting pictures of all the white Wisconsin basketball players???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 23, 2010, 07:06:48 PM
So let me guess your logic...
-There are more black NBA players than white ones (Me: Yep)
-There are more white guys on UW-Madison's roster than the typical college team (Me: Yep)
-Therefore UW-Madison's players aren't as good. (Me: Nope)
But the last point is the one that is consistently alluded as truth by this group. Otherwise why keep posting pictures of all the white Wisconsin basketball players???
Uhhh ... no, oh mesiter of the straw man.
My logic ... it's stupid to state that one is racist - as you did - because they "imply" that white kids don't play the game as well.
Either the NBA is an example of Affirmative Action run amok... or, well, you know.
Prejudgements, assumptions, double standards even when based on race are not racism Sultan. It's dangerous to call every comment made about someone race, joke or not, racist. It diminshes the word. The comments, including my own about the team looking like the Children of Corn movies grown up, are at the very worst a bit insensitive.
These statements can lead to racism, but on their own, they are not racist.
You may argue semantics, but racism is deeply rooted, where someone with power, is using that power to oppress an individual based on their race.
So who is the oppressed in this instance? Is it you? Are comments like these keeping you from doing something? I would argue no, but who knows.
You did bring up a good point about the double standards that currently exist in our society, but that is a different topic for a different day.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2010, 07:20:03 PM
Uhhh ... no, oh mesiter of the straw man.
My logic ... it's stupid to state that one is racist - as you did - because they "imply" that white kids don't play the game as well.
Either the NBA is an example of Affirmative Action run amok... or, well, you know.
Oy....you again are failing.
It is obvious that blacks in general play basketball better than whites do. However, it is racism to say (or imply) that because of that fact, that Wisconsin's players can't play basketball as well. When you take macro statements, and apply them to at the micro levels, that is when you get into trouble.
It is the same thing as police who racially profile. Just because a higher percentage of blacks are convicted of crimes versus whites, doesn't mean that the black guy pulled over by the cops is a criminal.
Quote from: reinko on February 23, 2010, 07:39:13 PM
Prejudgements, assumptions, double standards even when based on race are not racism Sultan. It's dangerous to call every comment made about someone race, joke or not, racist. It diminshes the word. The comments, including my own about the team looking like the Children of Corn movies grown up, are at the very worst a bit insensitive.
It is semantics, but racism isn't necessarily bigotry. Racism, as I understand and have used the term, is when you make generalities about members of racial groups. Bigotry is when the racism feeds hatred.
I am certain that no one here hates Wisconsin basketball players because they are white. But for people to continue to post multiple pictures in a mocking way of Wisconsin's white basketball players, is almost the definition of racism. For people to then say "there's no subtle racism going on," is completely disingenuous.
Edit: And for everyone's sake, I'm just going to drop it right here.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 23, 2010, 07:53:19 PM
Oy....you again are failing.
It is obvious that blacks in general play basketball better than whites do. However, it is racism to say (or imply) that because of that fact, that Wisconsin's players can't play basketball as well. When you take macro statements, and apply them to at the micro levels, that is when you get into trouble.
Speaking of failing ... please point anywhere in this thread someone said (or implied) that Wisconsin's players can't play as well.
You've invented a huge straw man here, arguing strenuously - and self-righteously, I might add - against a position no one has taken.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2010, 08:19:39 PM
Speaking of failing ... please point anywhere in this thread someone said (or implied) that Wisconsin's players can't play as well.
"You definitely get a "Upp-er" feel when looking at their roster.... not that there's anything wrong with some fellow white homie's overachieving under bo's great tutelage.
It really is mind boggling Bo can get that group to shut down an MSU even if it is at the Kohl Center."
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 23, 2010, 05:14:27 PM
Why did you quote me when you said that? I did nothing except link the article that BMA had referenced earlier in the thread.
There's not "subtle racism" on display, either. It's just a function of a ridiculously politically correct society that we can't say that Bo Ryan signs a lot more white kids than black kids. It's the truth. Who knows why? Maybe Bo just doesn't get along with kids from cities with more than 30k residents?
The only high ground is that Bo recruits shady kids just like every high major coach including Buzz. It's part of the game. People dwelling on how shady the NCAA is and claiming their team doesn't recruit kids with handlers is either from Alverno, is lying to others or is lying to themselves.
Blackshear and Shaw are quite different. Point out the similarities other than both playing for the same Chicago based aau machine?
What eactly is shady with Shaw?
There is no doubt there is racisim in this thread. Reverse racism is more easily tolerated but it is racism non the less. From your position you would have no problem with somone pointing out the MU has all black players and using that to paint the program in a negative light? You can't have it both ways.
Quote from: dennycrane on February 23, 2010, 09:48:17 PM
There is no doubt there is racisim in this thread. Reverse racism is more easily tolerated but it is racism non the less. From your position you would have no problem with somone pointing out the MU has all black players and using that to paint the program in a negative light? You can't have it both ways.
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I'm black?
He didn't mean because you're black...he meant because you're a MU fan.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=5642486
Is Tokoto out of the picture for the Badgers now? A few of the chief Bo-bots are saying he's not that good. Reads like the similar poor reviews of previous players who didn't go on to play for Bo. I expect next to hear about Wes Mathews somehow talking about academics that these guys are all privy to. It's all in the manual.
Silky, lets be serious. Tokoto is only 16 years old and a sophmore in high school. All kids at that
age need improvement. Even DWade needed improvement which he did even he was 21 years old.
This kid has the physical tools, you can not teach him how to jump. God given. I am sure Coach Cal,
Coach K, Bo and Buzz see something special here. I am just hoping he stays in the state!
Quote from: dennycrane on February 23, 2010, 09:48:17 PM
Blackshear and Shaw are quite different. Point out the similarities other than both playing for the same Chicago based aau machine?
What eactly is shady with Shaw?
Next time read the article that I linked (http://ilprepbullseye.com/page40.html) in my post that you had originally quoted. It explained that Shaw's recruitment is shady in the exact same way that Blackshear's recruitment is. Please read before getting self-righteously indignant next time.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 24, 2010, 07:41:34 AM
Next time read the article that I linked (http://ilprepbullseye.com/page40.html) in my post that you had originally quoted. It explained that Shaw's recruitment is shady in the exact same way that Blackshear's recruitment is. Please read before getting self-righteously indignant next time.
It says there is a power struggle between the Irvins and Shaws brother to control his recruiting. Shaw has never transfered in high school like Blackshear. IIRC Blackshear plays for one of the Irvins now. It is just as likely the brother is trying to get control of things for the right reasons. Do you have information contrary to that?
If your problem is with the Irvins aau machine why are you not concerned that Smith came out of that program?
Quote from: MarkMiller on February 23, 2010, 05:05:38 PM
Marquette remains involved with Mike Shaw.
Thank you Mark.
I would love to get this kid. De La Salle is a decent school too folks, and as (I believe) Bulls Eye Brothers mentioned, him not transferring to a public school shows somthing.
There is has an article about Shaw today in the Chicago Sum Times (I couldn't locate the on-line link) in which Shaw relates he is undecided but has received offers from Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue, Louisville, Texas , Kansas, Michigan State, Kentucky, and De Paul (no mention of Marquette). Shaw goes on to quote Rick Pitino in the article and states that he and Morgan Park's Wayne Blackshear are like brothers.
Let's hope Shaw doesn't follow Blackshear to Louisville.
Quote from: Danny Noonan on February 26, 2010, 10:34:54 AM
There is has an article about Shaw today in the Chicago Sum Times (I couldn't locate the on-line link) in which Shaw relates he is undecided but has received offers from Wisconsin, Illinois, Purdue, Louisville, Texas , Kansas, Michigan State, Kentucky, and De Paul (no mention of Marquette). Shaw goes on to quote Rick Pitino in the article and states that he and Morgan Park's Wayne Blackshear are like brothers.
Let's hope Shaw doesn't follow Blackshear to Louisville.
Article was in Trib.
Boys basketball: De La Salle's Mike Shaw receives a lot of college mail, but he isn't mailing it in
By Brian Hedger
Special to the Tribune
6:25 PM CST, February 24, 2010
The letters from colleges roll in daily for 6-foot-8 De La Salle junior Mike Shaw, and his coach is starting to become concerned.
"I think I need a bigger office," said Tom White, the Meteors' coach and athletic director. "We literally have shoe boxes full of mail for Michael. He looks at them, and then we file 'em away."
Shaw is ranked as one of the country's top juniors and holds scholarship offers from Illinois, Southern Illinois, Louisville, Texas and Wisconsin.
There are also a growing number of critics who make Shaw sound like an underachiever. Some say that he doesn't play with his back to the basket enough. Others point out that he's "only" averaging 14.1 points a game. Shaw hears the criticisms. He just doesn't care.
"I just play ball," said Shaw, who leads the 16-6 Meteors in scoring, rebounds (8.8 per game) and assists (2.9). "I know the critics doubt me. They say I'm not this and I'm not that, but I'm not going to let it stop me. I'm just going to keep working hard on the court and in the classroom."
It's an attitude his grandmother instilled in him when she raised him near Englewood on the South Side.
"All I care about is being successful in life. Period," Shaw said. "That's just how I was raised."
Many would like to see Shaw become a better scorer, but he's more interested in helping the Meteors go far in the playoffs by utilizing his multiple skills.
"He's 6-8. He can move, he can dribble, he can shoot and pass, he can block shots and dominate inside," White said. "People think he should be on the blocks more, but that's not really his game. Michael is really a guard who just happened to grow up to be 6-8."
White said Shaw guards the perimeter well for his size, as evidenced by his defense earlier this season against Illinois-bound Tracy Abrams, a shifty Mount Carmel junior point guard. Shaw said that's part of being a winner — something he even takes into the AAU season.
Though AAU is known as a stage to show off, Shaw is willing to do the dirty work.
"Nobody wants to accept a role on an AAU team, because everybody is 'The Man,'" he said. "So I get in there and rebound and block shots if we need it. If I play AAU this year, that will be my main goal — to win. I already have enough colleges interested in me. I just want to win."
Mike Shaw file
High school: De La Salle.
Class: Junior.
College: Undecided.
Position: Forward.
Height: 6-8.
Stats: 14.1 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.9 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.7 blocks per game.
FYI: Shaw has two older brothers who played college sports — one a football player and the other a basketball player. He is also a first cousin of 6-5 DePaul junior forward Mike Stovall.
Quote from: dennycrane on February 24, 2010, 04:24:37 PM
It says there is a power struggle between the Irvins and Shaws brother to control his recruiting. Shaw has never transfered in high school like Blackshear. IIRC Blackshear plays for one of the Irvins now. It is just as likely the brother is trying to get control of things for the right reasons. Do you have information contrary to that?
If your problem is with the Irvins aau machine why are you not concerned that Smith came out of that program?
It sounded to me like they were looking for some under the table $.
I don't stick my head in the sand and ignore realities so I can have a "kumbaya" warm fuzzy feeling.
There are some differing characteristics between races that are apparent in sport and black players have by and large separated themselves from white players on an individual basis in most sports in which they participate.
If you want to argue that is factually inaccurate good luck with that, the numbers are apparent, especially within basketball's elite level. The NBA.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 24, 2010, 07:41:34 AM
Next time read the article that I linked (http://ilprepbullseye.com/page40.html) in my post that you had originally quoted. It explained that Shaw's recruitment is shady in the exact same way that Blackshear's recruitment is. Please read before getting self-righteously indignant next time.
Maybe you should read this article from Bullseye that explains why the situation is the opposite of what you have implied.
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Another player whose recruitment has picked up considerably is 6'7 class of 2011 forward Mike Shaw from De LaSalle Institute in Chicago, which comes as no surprise seeing as though Shaw is having a terrific junior season. It is no small coincidence that three Big Ten schools--Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan State have greatly stepped up their recruitment of Shaw and as of now can all be considered among Shaw's frontrunners. We believe that there are reasons for that. Right at the top of the list is that Shaw's family has made it a point to take even stronger control of his recruitment. As a result, Shaw has begun to develop a strong inner-circle of advisors which include his older brother as well as De LaSalle head coach Tom White. What this also means is that those who have been primarily involved with handling Shaw's recruitment have backed off to an extent.
We can't even begin to emphasize how important this is (and will continue to be) when it comes to Shaw's recruitment. That is because Big Ten programs have long had a history of avoiding recruits who are known to have handlers running the show. Therefore, perhaps the tables have turned somewhat when it comes to assessing who is really in charge, which is why we once again repeat what we know now sounds like a broken record--there will be no package deal for Shaw and 6'5 class of 2011 forward and University Of Louisville commit Wayne Blackshear from Morgan Park High School in Chicago.
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http://ilprepbullseye.com/page40.html
You guys can talk about Marquette fans being racist against white players all you want, but everytime I ever delve into the darkest depths of the internet, where only Madison fans dwell, they constantly talk about Buzz being a horrible coach for never recruiting white kids, and many times I've heard them call us "Texas Western" for having only one white guy. It's a Marquette mainstay to recruit city kids. this goes back to the great "Cracked Sidewalks" quote by Al McGuire himself. Yes, these players tend to be black.
I'm not saying it's wrong for Bo to recruit Minnesotans and upper Wisconsinites, in fact considering the fact that those areas are the Antarctica of basketball recruitment, I have to say that it's amazing he's able to win with those recruits. But Marquette has always been an inner city-recruiting team, and a lot of these kids have gone through a lot more than white suburban kids from Appleton. So I'm not surprised at all that it's not always an easy transition to college, but Marquette graduates their players with roughly the same rate as UW-Madison.
So both sides need to stop focusing on race. It's just different recruitment from different socioeconomic areas. It's childish to focus on race.