Out of 10, what do you give Jimmy's impression of Cubillan's shimmy after his 3 point play?
0, he missed the FT and that is all that matters
a 1 for missing the free throw. The ref bagging on him for it rattled him.
He does a great job drawing fouls inside against bigger guys, but it sure would be nice if he could finish and get the bucket a lot more often. He missed at least three relatively easy shots around the basket in the first half alone.
Quote from: WarriorHal on February 13, 2010, 09:43:35 PM
He does a great job drawing fouls inside against bigger guys, but it sure would be nice if he could finish and get the bucket a lot more often. He missed at least three relatively easy shots around the basket in the first half alone.
I was going to post something about this. He needs to DUNK!
Quote from: romey on February 13, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
I was going to post something about this. He needs to DUNK!
Hard to dunk the ball when you are ensuring that you draw contact...he does it well.
I would rather he ensures he makes the bucket.
The ref did not like it...did you see the quick talk at the free through line? Watch the replay...Jimmy got a quick earfull/warning.
It was not as good as his Party in the USA rendition during the Old Spice Classic off day.
can anyone get a video of this please????
It was awesome to see him show a little emotion. He might have been rubbing it in to Jones a little bit, like when Cubi hit that 3 from the corner and stood there for a second posing. First time all year either has acted like that and I will blame it on Jones and bet they don't do it going forward.
jimmy looked right at wes when he did it (who was cracking up)... ref definitely did not like it...
Quote from: westcoastwarrior on February 13, 2010, 10:36:55 PM
The ref did not like it...did you see the quick talk at the free through line? Watch the replay...Jimmy got a quick earfull/warning.
Jimmy is a solid player. the showboating we could do without.
Jimmy could have had 25. He needs to finish stronger instead of always looking to draw contact.
I disagree that Jimmy should not always be looking for contact. It helps MU to rack up fouls on the opposing players bigs. Famous fouled out and that helped seal the deal at the end of the game because that was one less talented big challenging Lazar for those key rebounds at the end. USF had two fouls on their bigs in the first half -- that helps MU offensively.
Butler is top 5 in the entire nation in offensive efficiency. I don't see anything wrong with how he plays the game. As far as the mock Cubillan shimmy, that's completely out of character, so I think he gets a pass.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 14, 2010, 09:37:55 AM
Jimmy is a solid player. the showboating we could do without.
There is a fine line between showboating and having fun, but I think he was just having fun......and it was FUNNY!
Quote from: romey on February 13, 2010, 09:50:50 PM
I would rather he ensures he makes the bucket.
That's ridiculous. He's not a 7' center who doesn't have to worry about getting his shot block. Every coach teaches players to go at the chest of taller players to force them to back off or foul. Funny you don't see many of his shots get blocked, and his efficiency is through the roof. He missed a couple bunnies in the last game, but to tell a 6' 7" player to stop trying to draw contact under the hoop is a$$ backwards, and to state that you would rather he ensure he makes the bucket makes it seem like you think he's trying to draw contact and make a lay-up when he could just easily make the lay-up if he wanted to. Show me another player of his size that finishes as strong as he does around the hoop???
DomJamesToTheBasket abd avid - completely agree with you both. I couldn't be happier with Butler.
Quote from: avid1010 on February 14, 2010, 10:24:49 AM
That's ridiculous. He's not a 7' center who doesn't have to worry about getting his shot block. Every coach teaches players to go at the chest of taller players to force them to back off or foul. Funny you don't see many of his shots get blocked, and his efficiency is through the roof. He missed a couple bunnies in the last game, but to tell a 6' 7" player to stop trying to draw contact under the hoop is a$$ backwards, and to state that you would rather he ensure he makes the bucket makes it seem like you think he's trying to draw contact and make a lay-up when he could just easily make the lay-up if he wanted to. Show me another player of his size that finishes as strong as he does around the hoop???
Don't get me wrong, I love JB's game. There's a difference between trying to go up under the basket when you have a taller defender in front of you and when you have a clear shot at the hoop and you contort your body to try to get fouled. A couple times Jimmy got off balance when he didn't have to, missed a close shot and didn't get fouled. But I realize this falls under nit picking. Great win last night.
Quote from: Jacks DC on February 14, 2010, 10:55:19 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love JB's game. There's a difference between trying to go up under the basket when you have a taller defender in front of you and when you have a clear shot at the hoop and you contort your body to try to get fouled. A couple times Jimmy got off balance when he didn't have to, missed a close shot and didn't get fouled. But I realize this falls under nit picking. Great win last night.
Jimmy gets to the line at will. If he played 4 years at MU he would probably end up with the record. He rarely forces things as evidenced by his efficiency.
Jimmy gets a 10 BTW.......I thought it was hilarious.
The JIMMY SHIMMY was awesome
Quote from: Jacks DC on February 14, 2010, 10:55:19 AM
Don't get me wrong, I love JB's game. There's a difference between trying to go up under the basket when you have a taller defender in front of you and when you have a clear shot at the hoop and you contort your body to try to get fouled. A couple times Jimmy got off balance when he didn't have to, missed a close shot and didn't get fouled. But I realize this falls under nit picking. Great win last night.
actually i would categorize it in a lack of knowledge of the game
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on February 14, 2010, 11:06:23 AM
actually i would categorize it in a lack of knowledge of the game
From the guy who half the people on this board have on ignore.
I agree that at times you need to draw the contact especially if you're working on a guy in foul trouble or a guy you need to get into foul trouble. But, there are also instances where, if you have a clear shot at the basket, go for the points and you can likely get the contact as well, thus accomplishing both objectives. I'll take the two + one, vs the two free throws anytime. But I understand each play presents different options. It just seems to me the mindset should be "field goal" instead of "free throws." I'm not an expert, so help me out here. Am I way off base here or what?
Man, I been drivng half way across the country to my next duty station...what'd I miss?? Was Jones being a douche throughout the game, and so Cubillan and Butler were rubbing it in his face?
Quote from: romey on February 14, 2010, 11:43:24 AM
But, there are also instances where, if you have a clear shot at the basket, go for the points and you can likely get the contact as well, thus accomplishing both objectives. I'll take the two + one, vs the two free throws anytime.
When you're 6' 7" playing inside in the BEAST you don't have the option to go up for a "clear" shot at the basket and likely get contact as well. That's going to result in a ton of blocked shots. Get your body into the guy to draw the contact and create the space you need to get up a shot. Hope the shot falls or the foul is called, and if both happen, even better. You're not going to get many and-one opportunities by avoiding contact, or not worrying about the defender, in the BEAST. A simple look at how many shots Butler has had blocked and his FG% will tell you that what he's doing under the hoop in the BEAST, for someone his size, is amazing.
avid1010 - not trying to beat a dead horse. i see where you're coming from and I DO agree, but even at 6'7", if you have the angle or a step on the defender, go straight up or straight in, and dunk. I thought I saw a couple instances in this game, and in previous games, where Jimmy had the opportunity to do that but didn't. No real disagreement with what you're saying, except that generalizing that "in the BEast" he should draw contact. Love the discussion though. Thanks! (That's not in teal - i mean it). Debate is healthy. ;D
Quote from: romey on February 14, 2010, 11:43:24 AM
I agree that at times you need to draw the contact especially if you're working on a guy in foul trouble or a guy you need to get into foul trouble. But, there are also instances where, if you have a clear shot at the basket, go for the points and you can likely get the contact as well, thus accomplishing both objectives. I'll take the two + one, vs the two free throws anytime. But I understand each play presents different options. It just seems to me the mindset should be "field goal" instead of "free throws." I'm not an expert, so help me out here. Am I way off base here or what?
Does Jimmy normally try to just get fouled or does he try to finish? The answer is clear to me. This is extraordinarily picky.
Quote from: LLRj Since 1986 on February 14, 2010, 11:48:08 AM
Man, I been drivng half way across the country to my next duty station...what'd I miss?? Was Jones being a douche throughout the game, and so Cubillan and Butler were rubbing it in his face?
I didn't get that impression - there didn't appear to be a whole lot of back-and-forth between teams during the game, so unless it was pointed at Jones's win-streak guarantee I'm not sure what the cause was. Since Jimmy's dance was atypical for him I actually thought he might be poking fun at Cubes, though under the basket was likely not the best place for it no matter what.
Quote from: romey on February 13, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
I was going to post something about this. He needs to DUNK!
Can't dunk all the time there, but there was at least one of the 3 last nite where he could have stuffed it instead of pump faking and drawing a foul. I'd like to see more of that....
I am amazed at the authority with which so many who lack the talent can criticize those who do
Quote from: applesareroughAGE on February 14, 2010, 03:15:31 PM
I am amazed at the authority with which so many who lack the talent can criticize those who do
Good try at a philosophical statement, and I understand what you are trying to say, but your syntax is a bit off. You and I are both new to posting, but having a bit more experience, I can tell you that you don't want to come into threads and challenge everyone at once telling them they don't have the authority to criticize. I said something stupid like that when I first began posting and it didn't turn out well for me. Remember the reason people are on here is to be critical and discuss topics. None of us are "experts". You are more than welcome to say whatever you want, of course, I am just trying to help you avoid backlash...
I have already felt the sting of enraged posters.I just find it difficult to accept the criticism some have of young athletes giving their all.
Quote from: applesareroughAGE on February 14, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
I have already felt the sting of enraged posters.I just find it difficult to accept the criticism some have of young athletes giving their all.
You're right. It's easy to say what we say on a message board when we aren't the ones playing...
Quote from: applesareroughAGE on February 14, 2010, 03:43:40 PM
I have already felt the sting of enraged posters.I just find it difficult to accept the criticism some have of young athletes giving their all.
So then how come in a separate thread you state that 20 year olds should be able to go all out on both ends of the court (the debate was regarding DJO's performance)? To quote you, "I am amazed at the authority with which so many who lack the talent can criticize those who do."
Quote from: The Pickle on February 14, 2010, 03:49:51 PM
You're right. It's easy to say what we say on a message board when we aren't the ones playing...
From what I have heard from him in the past, I think Butler would probably agree that he could have dunked it or laid it in a couple times instead of trying to draw contact. Why is that such a harsh criticism? No one is questioning his effort.
I don't think anyone needs to be on the team or have the ability to dunk to offer an opinion. Nor do I feel like I need to be President to have a view on a political issue.
I thought the jimmy shimmy was sweet. Showboating? Give him a pass? He doesn't need a pass, I like to see that kind of attitude out of a hot team. Wade and the big three used to bang their chests and do all kinds of things like that, why any backlash against Jimmy? He's an upperclassman who is a leader on a surging team. Shimmy away.
Quote from: MUBurrow on February 15, 2010, 02:36:22 PM
I thought the jimmy shimmy was sweet. Showboating? Give him a pass? He doesn't need a pass, I like to see that kind of attitude out of a hot team. Wade and the big three used to bang their chests and do all kinds of things like that, why any backlash against Jimmy? He's an upperclassman who is a leader on a surging team. Shimmy away.
Wasn't it Cordell Henry that did the "knife and slash" (not sure what else to call it) across his chest a few times?
Jimmy's shimmy was at the 4 minute 10 second mark in the second half. If you go to it on ESPN360, start around the 4:15 mark.