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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: texaswarrior74 on February 11, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
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"...the Big Ten has engaged in “preliminary exchanges” with a much bigger fish from the Big 12."
From the Lawrence(KS) Journal World
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/feb/11/big-ten-making-overtures-texas/?sports
I for one think it would be ridiculous but who knows...money talks the rest walks....
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Wow ...
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Isn't the closest school to Texas, Iowa....is Texas looking to leave the Big 12 because they were mentioned on the Pac-10 list of schools to add to their division. I don't see Texas leaving where there at currently. Big 12 has better football by far, and basketball in the last couple of years.
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Great news. So long as they dont poach a BE school like Rutgers, Pitt or Syracuse, we will live to see another day in the conference.
I am hoping to avoid the whole re-shuffling of conferences. Without football, we are expenable to some of the high major conferences.
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"...the Big Ten has engaged in “preliminary exchanges” with a much bigger fish from the Big 12."
From the Lawrence(KS) Journal World
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/feb/11/big-ten-making-overtures-texas/?sports
I for one think it would be ridiculous but who knows...money talks the rest walks....
Makes perfect sense for the B10 and UT. UT is a national brand and the Big10 would love to add Dallas and Houston. Geography is inconsequential. The Big12 was not UT's first choice anyway -- they talked with the SEC and PAC 10 in the last big shuffle.
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Isn't the closest school to Texas, Iowa....is Texas looking to leave the Big 12 because they were mentioned on the Pac-10 list of schools to add to their division. I don't see Texas leaving where there at currently. Big 12 has better football by far, and basketball in the last couple of years.
Texas most definitely is interested in leaving. They wanted to join the PAC10 because they they thought it was in their best interests to be recognized academically along with Stanford and UCLA. Texas is a hardcore research-based university - a perfect match for the B10. Plus, Texas is probably the best state for football recruits and adding UT would expose the entire conference to the state (and eventually bring the likes of UM and OSU back to the top). It's a move like when the BE added USF. Since Miami left, the conference thought it was necessary to maintain conference exposure in the state since Florida is almost on par with Texas as far as recruits go.
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The shuffling might expand as the PAC10 is looking to exand also. http://www.azcentral.com/sports/heatindex/articles/2010/02/10/20100210young-pac10-expansion-partners.html (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/heatindex/articles/2010/02/10/20100210young-pac10-expansion-partners.html)
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How long until there is only 1 conference?
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Rumors from the west coast have the Pac-10 adding two schools within the next year or so. According to a well placed source at the real UW, the conference want to revisit their early '90s attempt to get both Texas and Texas A&M (Texas is more apt to leave is they get to take a big rival with them and Oklahoma's academics are too weak). Their second and probably more realistic choice is to go after Utah and Colorado.
Regardless, this upcoming shuffle is going hammer conferences.
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Is it safe to say that most of these expansion talks is largely related to football?
If so, that is pretty crappy, because college football is so overrated.
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Too many people think about "quality of play" for basketball and football, when they hear about teams wanting to move to the Big 10. The Big 10 is uber-profitable, and if UT moves to the Big 10, that means the B10 Network moves into Texas as well...$$$$
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Buckle up! Here we go.
Looks like PAC10 will make the first move (the B10 talking heads cant ever make a decision about anything). The B12 will have to counter. The moves will start in the west and spread east. My guess is ACC football will be targeted with Miami. ACC will once again tap a BE school.
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Buckle up! Here we go.
Looks like PAC10 will make the first move (the B10 talking heads cant ever make a decision about anything). The B12 will have to counter. The moves will start in the west and spread east. My guess is ACC football will be targeted with Miami. ACC will once again tap a BE school.
No...the Big Ten started it. If they get Texas...and possibly even a couple of teams after that, they are the big winner. Right now, it is estimated that the Big Ten gets $10 M per team more than the Big 12 does annually. Throw in what the Big Ten Network can do in Texas and the money will pour in. Throw in A&M, Oklahoma or Nebraska, and it goes up even more.
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No...the Big Ten started it. If they get Texas...and possibly even a couple of teams after that, they are the big winner. Right now, it is estimated that the Big Ten gets $10 M per team more than the Big 12 does annually. Throw in what the Big Ten Network can do in Texas and the money will pour in. Throw in A&M, Oklahoma or Nebraska, and it goes up even more.
Agreed. The Big10 will seek first-mover advantage. Figure they go for UT, it makes too much sense. If politics in the Lone Star State get in the way they might have to consider A&M as well and then pluck either Pitt or Rutgers to round out at 14 teams. They'd have the BTN in four of the top five markets by that point, a home run.
Pac10 takes Utah and Colorado...everybody yawns.
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According to a writer on CBSSports
"I doubt Texas would leave the Big 12 for the Big Ten. First, it would literally take an act of the state legislature to move. Second, I hear that Texas is going to start its own network. It already makes approximately $10 million a year in Big 12 revenue. It would make at least $16 million per year in the Big Ten but the school has so many revenue streams at the moment that difference might not matter."
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The University of Texas is a statewide attraction and the addition of that school to the Big Ten would bring every media market in the state into play for the Big Ten -- Dallas-Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, Austin, plus about 20 other smaller TV markets. The BTN would have get a lot of exposure.
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How long until there is only 1 conference?
I can see it now, the big100, or the big10x10
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I knew a shuffle was eventually going to happen but I didnt expect that the PAC10 would instigate it - I had no idea they were this aggressive.
There is simply no way the BE comes out of this better than before. BE fball is already terrible. You cant just simply continue to patch it up with the likes of Memphis, E. Carolina, etc. Culture, traditions, marketability all go out the window if that happens. This is going to suck.
This article is dizzying.
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/12910283/pac10-could-launch-cannon-ball-at-nonbcs-with-conference-cannibalism
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The Pac 10 expansion sounds like a done deal. Like the B-11, they percieve themselves as an academics first conference, thus the likes of UNLV, Nebraska, and Oklahoma are off the table (which is laughable when your conference includes Wazzu and ASU). The most likely scenario has the combo of Utah and Colorado joinig the Pac 10.
It also sounds like the B11 will definitely add a team ASAP. When you sift through all of the crap, the most likely team to go the the B11 is still Mizzou. Thus the big loser might end up being the Big 12.
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Texas is the #1 sports school in the country. One of the few that are good in both hoops and football (along with baseball). Other comparable schools in the top 10 are Ohio St, OK, SC, LSU and of course Wisconsin ;)
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=763753
The revenue would be enormous for Texas and the entire conference.
Geographically it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Academically the Big 12 is an embarassment.
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I can see it now, the big100, or the big10x10
I think they would still call it the big ten!
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I knew a shuffle was eventually going to happen but I didnt expect that the PAC10 would instigate it - I had no idea they were this aggressive.
I don't know why you keep saying that. The Pac Ten didn't start this. This is a reaction to the Big Ten's announcement a few weeks ago. The Big Ten *is* talking to potential schools. This is the Pac Ten's reaction.
Just like the Big Ten started the last major conference shuffle when it added Penn State.
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If TX is willing and able to move to the Big 10, I don't see why they wouldn't. IMO, the prestige of the Big 10 would increase exponentially. It would greatly enhance the Big 10, be devastating to the Big 12 and clearly relegate the Big East to a football conference as I don't see what it could do to compete with the Big 10 and SEC in football. It would be those 2 football superconferences and everyone else.
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According to the link I posted, expansion was at the top of the list of things to do for Larry Scott. The B10 has been talking about it for years....and have done absolutely nothing. Larry Scott sounds as though the "idea" has materialized and Im willing to bet you the PAC10 moves first.
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If Texas leaves for the Big Televen and Colorado to the Pac10 how hard would it be to convince Missouri and Kansas or Missouri and Nebraska to come along. Without Denver and the TX markets the B12 money would be miniscule.
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For academic reasons, I don't think the Big 10 wants Kansas or Nebraska. I wonder if Texas moves to the Big 10, does that result in ND reconsidering its position and finally joining? If so, the Big 10 would add Missouri and could split into 2 divisions, adding a title game. That would be a helluva conference for both basketball and football. There would be enough quality football and basketball teams to guarantee large enough payouts to satisfy each member.
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The B10 may not want Nebraska for Academic reasons, but KU is solid. Certainly better than Iowa, Ohio State and Minnesota. The problems with Kansas are a crap football program and a mediocre TV market. The B10 is better off with Missouri.
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Texas moving to the big ten would be a competitive disaster for them in football. Playing Oklahoma, texas a &m, and texas tech are requirements for texas and their fan base. That means a big ten season schedule with those three out of conference, combining for a murders row of games each season. Also, texas would be flying 3 hours to every single away game, something no school wants to do unless its a neccesity. Whats going to end up happening is that all these conferences are going to grab schools that aren't already in BCS conferences. Pac 10 will grab utah, byu, or Boise state. Big ten will try and poach a big east school, but it seems that if they were going to grab rutgers or pitt, it would have happened already. I would say university of miami.... of ohio. A better school than most think (usnews rates it higher than marquette). Big east teams won't leave because it doesn't help them to get beaten up every year in a power football conference when they can contend every year for a bcs birth, plus Big East basketball is by far and away the best basketball conference in the country for revenue, by a long shot.
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"Big east teams won't leave because it doesn't help them to get beaten up every year in a power football conference when they can contend every year for a bcs birth, plus Big East basketball is by far and away the best basketball conference in the country for revenue, by a long shot."
You are smoking crack. From an academics standpoint, it's a no-brainer. From a money standpoint, it's a no brainer. MU, as a part-time member of the BE, only receives about 2 MM. Whoop-de-damn-doo. Full-time members I think are around $5 MM. If a football school in the BE gets invited, they are gone. Period.
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One could argue that big east football over the past 5 years has been better than big ten football
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One could argue that big east football over the past 5 years has been better than big ten football
So I guess you are a believer that re-alignment is all about creating competition. Money and academics are inconsequential? Please. The only reason ND doesnt join the B10 is because of $. And I hope it hurts them in the end.
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You are smoking crack. From an academics standpoint, it's a no-brainer. From a money standpoint, it's a no brainer. MU, as a part-time member of the BE, only receives about 2 MM. Whoop-de-damn-doo. Full-time members I think are around $5 MM. If a football school in the BE gets invited, they are gone. Period.
The $2 million and $5 million are both "whoop-de-damn-doo"....
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Appears that down the road a bit the Big East will be a basketball only conference. If that happens, I'd look for Xavier, Dayton, Butler and Charlotte to join the league, making it a 12-team league.
Eastern Division
St. John's
Villanova
Georgetown
Seton Hall
Providence
Charlotte
Western Division
Marquette
DePaul
Notre Dame
Xavier
Dayton
Butler
Play each team in your division twice and the teams from the other division once for a 16-game league schedule.
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Appears that down the road a bit the Big East will be a basketball only conference. If that happens, I'd look for Xavier, Dayton, Butler and Charlotte to join the league, making it a 12-team league.
Eastern Division
St. John's
Villanova
Georgetown
Seton Hall
Providence
Charlotte
Western Division
Marquette
DePaul
Notre Dame
Xavier
Dayton
Butler
Play each team in your division twice and the teams from the other division once for a 16-game league schedule.
And that would be unfortunate. The teams that are most synonomous with the BE are gone (with the exception of Nova and GTown). The biggest rivalries are hacked away. This new conference has no identity academically. Recruiting for the conference would prove to be more difficult, at least when it comes to getting the best.
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And that would be unfortunate. The teams that are most synonomous with the BE are gone (with the exception of Nova and GTown). The biggest rivalries are hacked away. This new conference has no identity academically. Recruiting for the conference would prove to be more difficult, at least when it comes to getting the best.
While it's not as nice as what we have now, it might be the best we can realistically hope for, and I like it better than the old C-USA days. I also disagree with the academic identity, these are nearly all urban catholic schools (ND not being urban, and Charlotte and Butler not being catholic).
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According to the link I posted, expansion was at the top of the list of things to do for Larry Scott. The B10 has been talking about it for years....and have done absolutely nothing. Larry Scott sounds as though the "idea" has materialized and Im willing to bet you the PAC10 moves first.
No, the Big Ten has *not* been talking about it for years. People have been *speculating* about Big Ten expansion. They did invite Notre Dame...who turned them down in a moment of hubris that is gonna look really, really dumb in about ten years.
So if the Pac Ten gets Utah and Colorado, and the Big Ten gets Texas...who's the winner? Big Ten hands down.
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The only reason ND doesnt join the B10 is because of $. And I hope it hurts them in the end.
This is wrong.
ND has admitted that they would make far more money under a Big Ten TV contract than they currently do under their TV contracts. ND hasn't joined because ND is ND in all its pompousness and glory. I agree with the earlier statement that a Texas entry could drive ND in. Adding ND, Texas and then Mizzou would be a major (and realistic) coup.
As for Texas, I think it is a very realistic possibility. The reality is that regardless of the level of competition / current prestige for Big Ten football, the money being brought in continues to make it arguably the "best" or at least, most profitable conference in the country. I have seen figures that estimate that Texas could double its TV revenue by joining the Big Ten. Add in the academic factors and you are talking some very serious consideration TX will give to a Big Ten move.
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Not the least bit surprised by this. Big 10 threw out feelers to Texas in the late 1990s as I recall before they invited ND as the 12th team.
Short of ND, this would be the perfect match for the Big Ten. Maybe not geographically, but on a $$$ side, this would be a match made in heaven. Texas and Ohio State (#1 and #2 largest athletic departments) in the same conference from a revenue perspective? Big 10 Network distribution into Texas? Start counting the bags of money now.
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Not the least bit surprised by this. Big 10 threw out feelers to Texas in the late 1990s as I recall before they invited ND as the 12th team.
Short of ND, this would be the perfect match for the Big Ten. Maybe not geographically, but on a $$$ side, this would be a match made in heaven. Texas and Ohio State (#1 and #2 largest athletic departments) in the same conference from a revenue perspective? Big 10 Network distribution into Texas? Start counting the bags of money now.
"Short of ND?" This would be better than ND for the Big Ten. Much better. For the Big Ten Network to get instant access to every market in the second largest state in the country? Notre Dame won't do that.
Here is a nice summary of why this would work out for both sides:
http://tinyurl.com/yasdnuh
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Big ten will try and poach a big east school, but it seems that if they were going to grab rutgers or pitt, it would have happened already. I would say university of miami.... of ohio. A better school than most think (usnews rates it higher than marquette).
Its Miami University. Or Miami of Ohio as slang to clarify. Sorry, as an alum its a pet peeve of mine. Fantastic school, was top 50 in the country for awhile, its ranking has dropped a bit recently as a ton of money from the state of Ohio has flown into OSU for scholarships and such, and thus its taking some quality kids that normally went to Miami away to Columbus. Additionally, its not a research heavy graduate school university, which harms schools in those rankings, same with Marquette.
Miami actually was mentioned as a possibly Big 10 addition 25-30 years ago, but there is just not enough money for them to play with big boys. Football only plays in a 25-30K seat stadium, and basketball is in an awful venue that is shaped like a U and has half of it curtained off. That being said, if all this shake ups happens, Miami could be sitting nicely as its academic profile and sports history place it head and shoulders above the other MAC schools and alot of other mid majors.
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Very interesting article from 2007 about the forming of the Big 12. It is clear that Texas has had wandering eyes for 20+ years.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/MYSA081405_3N_SWCbaylor_tech_1ca3e1c_html8528.html (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/MYSA081405_3N_SWCbaylor_tech_1ca3e1c_html8528.html)