| Preseason Big East Pick | |
| 12th Place | 12th Place |
| Preseason Tournament Wins | |
| South Carolina | Xavier |
| Oral Roberts | Michigan |
| OOC Losses | |
| Nebraska (A) | NC State (H) |
| Wisconsin (A) | Wisconsin (A) |
| Notable Conference Wins | |
| UConn (H) | UConn (A) |
| Georgetown (H) | Georgetown (H) |
| Notre Dame (A) | Providence (A) |
| Notre Dame (H) | ???? |
| Pittsburgh (H) | ???? |
| Bad Conference Losses | |
| Cncinnati (H) | DePaul (A) |
| Conference Tourny | |
| Georgetown (L) | ???? |
I'm not saying we should get in because that team did. I understand the strength of teams in the tourny varies every year. I just thought it was interesting how similar the two teams were.
That Cincinnati loss was most definitely not a bad loss.
Didn't one of their guys blow out a knee, and they ended up barely missing the tourney that year?I believe so...
Kirkland maybe?
Didn't one of their guys blow out a knee, and they ended up barely missing the tourney that year?
Kirkland maybe?
Basically yes.
2005-06 was one of those epic seasons that could only happen to Cincy. Huggins gets fired and replaced by Andy Kennedy. Tyree Evans was released from his LOI over the summer when he got arrested. Abdul Herrera never got cleared academically and had to sit out the whole season. DeAndre Coleman transferred after 6 games, Erick Murrary was arrested and then dismissed after 6 games, and Armein Kirkland sustained a season ending injury and only played 16 games.
Despite all that they went 19-11(8-8) during the regular season, and made it to the quarterfinals of the NIT. Definitely not a bad loss by any stretch of the imagination.
I was looking back to the three amigos freshman year and found a lot of similarities in the resume of that team with the resume of this team. While the conference wins were stronger in 05-06, we only had one road victory at Notre Dame.
I'm not saying we should get in because that team did. I understand the strength of teams in the tourny varies every year. I just thought it was interesting how similar the two teams were.
Preseason Big East Pick 12th Place 12th Place Preseason Tournament Wins South Carolina Xavier Oral Roberts Michigan OOC Losses Nebraska (A) NC State (H) Wisconsin (A) Wisconsin (A) Notable Conference Wins UConn (H) UConn (A) Georgetown (H) Georgetown (H) Notre Dame (A) Providence (A) Notre Dame (H) ???? Pittsburgh (H) ???? Bad Conference Losses Cncinnati (H) DePaul (A) Conference Tourny Georgetown (L) ????
Interesting comparison, but the UCONN that year was ranked as high as #1 that season, the UCONN this year isn't that good. Also, I'm not sure beating Providence on the road is a notable win.
There area a lot of similarities to the two seasons, but some of those are bit of a stretch in my opinion.
Just like the 05-06 season, I think the Pitt game at home is the most important resume game of the season. Our biggest resume deficiency right now is RPI (somewhere between 58 and 62) and beating a top 25 RPI team like Pitt could go a long way towards increasing our RPI. We could also use some wins from Rutgers, Michigan and Providence to boost our wins over top 100 RPI teams.Wishful thinking as Rutgers simply will have a declining RPI and Providence finishes out with G-Town, @ Nova, WVU, Cuse, @ USF, @ Pitt and Seton Hall. the Friars will be in the fring pan and their current 102 RPI will be long gone. Michigan will probably end up near its current 140 RPI.
The DePaul loss is about 1000 times more damaging than that Cincy loss.
The NC State loss at home is also a killer, imo.
Wins over Louisville and Pitt are a necessity. Lose one of those and you're out.
The DePaul loss is about 1000 times more damaging than that Cincy loss.
I think you can count on an 11-7 Big East conference record and a 21 win team to be in the tournament. In absolutely no way are Marquette's tournament hopes over with a loss to one of those teams
It's amazing when you think how close MU was to having a really, really good season. If they just had won the games they seemingly had won....
Wishful thinking as Rutgers simply will have a declining RPI and Providence finishes out with G-Town, @ Nova, WVU, Cuse, @ USF, @ Pitt and Seton Hall. the Friars will be in the fring pan and their current 102 RPI will be long gone. Michigan will probably end up near its current 140 RPI.
Hypothetical end of season:
USF - W
Pitt - L (Close)
@ Cincy - L
@ St. John's - W
@ Seton Hall - L
Louisville - W(Blow Out)
Notre Dame - W
19-11 and 10-8
Let's say 1-1 in Big East tourney with the Win against Seton Hall and the loss to Syracuse (competetive, but Cuse handles us down the stretch).
20-12 overall
Do we get in?
I'm confident 4-3 the rest of the way regardless of how the 4 wins come..and 1 Big East Tourney win will get MU in. There is no way the committee will keep MU out considering it will have played Villanova (a likely 2 seed) to, two, 2-point losses out of the tourney. Plus you can point to WVU game as a reason to include MU given WVU will probably be a 3 or 4 seed at worst. DePaul can be seen as an abberation.
Hypothetical end of season:
USF - W
Pitt - L (Close)
@ Cincy - L
@ St. John's - W
@ Seton Hall - L
Louisville - W(Blow Out)
Notre Dame - W
19-11 and 10-8
Let's say 1-1 in Big East tourney with the Win against Seton Hall and the loss to Syracuse (competetive, but Cuse handles us down the stretch).
20-12 overall
Do we get in?
In that hypothetical, no way they get in. The Seton Hall loss would kill it.
One more win and they are right on that bubble.
Why would Seton Hall kill it? They've already beaten Tournament teams Louisville and Pitt in the Rock. Granted, the Hall won't finish as high as people hoped but they earned some credit with those wins and it certainly wouldn't be as bad losing in Jersey as it was in Chicago.
I think Pittsburgh would be the worst loss of that scenario. Pitt and MU are on the same level. Can't lose to teams on your level at home when battling for an NCAA spot. That's what kills your hopes.
It's tough to get a bid when you lose to two of the bottom feeders of the conference.
So by that logic, you're saying that if Kansas loses to Iowa State this Saturday and to Colorado next Saturday, the committee will deny KU a tourney berth.
It's just spectacular that the selection committee has such clear rules about who gets invited to the dance. Really takes the whole guess work out of the process.