The last 35 minutes of the Buzz show were very informative. He said Otule is definitely red-shirting. Also said he is pleased with progress of E-Will and Junior - though he wishes he could get JC a little more PT. Also said he is going out recruiting again this week, and was asked the hypothetical question of: If a highly attractive player became available for next year's class, would you recruit him? Per usual, Buzz said we are always recruiting, and to answer the question, his answer is yes. Said it is his responsibility to the program to always be recruiting, and that you never know what may happen - transfer, de-commitments, player getting in trouble. etc. We also learn what an incredible human being, coach, husband, father...Buzz is, in response to a listener question.
Quote from: Ners on February 08, 2010, 09:05:31 PM
The last 35 minutes of the Buzz show were very informative. He said Otule is definitely red-shirting. Also said he is pleased with progress of E-Will and Junior - though he wishes he could get JC a little more PT. Also said he is going out recruiting again this week, and was asked the hypothetical question of: If a highly attractive player became available for next year's class, would you recruit him? Per usual, Buzz said we are always recruiting, and to answer the question, his answer is yes. Said it is his responsibility to the program to always be recruiting, and that you never know what may happen - transfer, de-commitments, player getting in trouble. etc. We also learn what an incredible human being, coach, husband, father...Buzz is, in response to a listener question.
You learned he was an incredible human being by his own answers?
yes, similar to how I learned Crean was a horses-a*s from his answers...
sarcasm aside, Buzz does seem to lay it all out there in his answers and appears a "what you see is what you get" type of guy.
All true but if we all had a nickle for the number of people that were seen as "good guys" and honorable people, etc, only to not be....well we would all be rich.
Now, by no means is this any indication that he isn't the greatest human being ever. That's not my point at all. When people begin canonizing people it is incredibly unfair to the person (in this case, Buzz). These people aren't robots, they are human beings.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 08, 2010, 09:13:07 PM
You learned he was an incredible human being by his own answers?
Yes Chicos, I did..and I'm sorry you are so cynical to think that you can't take a man at his word. I think it is evident by the results we are getting this year, that Buzz is an incredible human being. This team is prepared, tough, and able to offset so many disadvantages - it speaks to their character, and I believe that is a direct reflection of the head coach.
Well I guess that makes me a cynic too then. How many times have we had someone in the public eye who people said "were a role model" or "had integrity" or whatever personality accoldate only to be disappointed?
Unfortunate Fact: most Division I b-ball coaches are douches
Not saying Buzz is but I am not going to vote him for the "Mother Teresa" award just yet.
I'm not cynical at all, in fact I clearly said that he may be the best guy ever. I think you do a disservice to him by carving Mt. Rushmore already. Just my opinion, but most people that are put on a pedestal don't last there because it's impossible.
I'm starting to think several of my fellow alum are douches. I guess I'll always give a person the benefit of the doubt, until they prove me otherwise. Maybe that makes me naive, but I'd rather be naive than cynical anyday. I'm not saying that Buzz or any human being is without flaw or fail - who of us aren't flawed? But, compared to the last 3 coaches who have come through MU - I suspect his character is the best, and least douchey of the bunch..if we want to reduce the discussion to someone being the best of a profession allegedly filled with douches.
Quote from: Ners on February 08, 2010, 09:38:49 PM
Yes Chicos, I did..and I'm sorry you are so cynical to think that you can't take a man at his word. I think it is evident by the results we are getting this year, that Buzz is an incredible human being. This team is prepared, tough, and able to offset so many disadvantages - it speaks to their character, and I believe that is a direct reflection of the head coach.
Consider if we had It's Indiana It's Indiana as the coach! That guy is all about himself. Buzz has this gang playing very very well. That speaks volumes about the man.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 08, 2010, 09:47:59 PM
I'm not cynical at all, in fact I clearly said that he may be the best guy ever. I think you do a disservice to him by carving Mt. Rushmore already. Just my opinion, but most people that are put on a pedestal don't last there because it's impossible.
Would you for once just have a concrete opinion about something?? This is your standard post: I clearly said he may be the best guy ever....yet in the previous post you question: You can tell he is a great person from a question he answered? You always make a snide remark and then follow it up with something complimenatary - therefore never really expressing any type of concrete opinion. I'm all for being open-minded, but at some point..please be convicted in your convictions. Wait, I did just realize you are convicted in your support for Tom Crean. At least you don't waffle there...and I can deal with that and respect that..at least it is consistent.
edit: knock off the personal attacks.
"least douchey" - there's some high praise!
Quote from: KC2016 on February 08, 2010, 10:16:01 PM
"least douchey" - there's some high praise!
As I wrote..if we are going to reduce the conversation of head coaches to: Unfortunate Fact: most Division I b-ball coaches are douches - As Dano wrote...then as I said, Buzz definitely qualifies as the least Douchey of our last 3 coaches -Crean, Deane, O'Neil.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 08, 2010, 09:44:25 PM
Well I guess that makes me a cynic too then. How many times have we had someone in the public eye who people said "were a role model" or "had integrity" or whatever personality accoldate only to be disappointed?
Unfortunate Fact: most Division I b-ball coaches are douches
Not saying Buzz is but I am not going to vote him for the "Mother Teresa" award just yet.
Most is the operative word. When I was at Marquette I worked with the men's basketball team for 2 years and sat in a lot of practices with Crean verbally abusing players. He never made a kid go stand in a dark shed but probably only because he was inside and there wasn't one around. If I were a player I think I would have opted for the shed than be told some of the things he said. Sadly, most of this verbal abuse was directed at the lowliest members of the team and I feel it was a method to get them to quit so he could get an open scholarship rather than be decent and admit he recruited a kid with less talent than he thought initially. I understand he is only one coach and therefore I will not generalize but I picture guys like Bob Huggins being the same way, which is why I hate them both. I honestly believe Buzz is a good guy and I think he genuinely cares about his players which is why I believe is such a good recruiter.
As an aside, I have spoken with some individuals who worked with guys like Mike K (I won't even attempt or pretend to know how to spell his last name) at Duke and Roy Williams. Coach K was a military guy and I guess was an absolute ass. Swore a lot, belittled players, etc. Discipline by fear. Williams on the other hand, was still a disciplinarian but commanded so much respect he seldom had to yell or reprimand. Believe what you want but I think Buzz is more of a Roy Williams guy. What you see is what you get.
edit: Knock off the personal attacks.
Quote from: liverlips on February 08, 2010, 10:06:44 PM
There is a report that Crean is neither boxers nor briefs but a Eurotrash banana sling guy. Is this true Chicos?
Welcome to MuScoop. Appreciate the sense of humor.
LOL.
The same four guys each time....the bat signal went out again (always followed by the "I never post here but follow this board for a long time"). LOL. No, I don't like Tom Crean but that legend keeps on living forever. Yes, I do respect what he did for MU. No, I don't think Crean is a good guy which is why I've never said. I do think it's dangerous lathering anyone's balls, including the current coach, in terms of how great he is as a person.
Haven't we learned that enough about people in the public eye....John Edwards, Tiger Woods, David Letterman, Mark Sanford, etc, etc. Steve Phillips is supposedly a great guy, too. Jim Nantz, apparently one of the best. Well, at least depending on who you ask. LOL
But whatever, if you want to canonize someone and declare their wonderment to human society based on radio interviews, that's great. I just think you do a disservice to anyone when you do that to people but knock your socks off. I just found it interesting you can make a statement on what a person is like based on their own questions on interviews without actually knowing the person. You have a gift.
Now on to Otule. Glad we have some resolution on what he is doing this year.
Quote from: Rocco on February 08, 2010, 10:04:02 PM
Chico is an epic douche bag. I don't post here a lot but I read the comments religiously. We get it, you like Tom Crean, he left, get over it.
Maybe you should post some more Rocco - we could use some more common sense to offest those with phantom "opinions." I will say Chicos does present some good statistical data on occasion, and is a good web researcher - but in the opinion department, he's fairly inflammatory - at best politically correct but probably more disingenuous than anything else.
Quote from: Ners on February 08, 2010, 09:05:31 PM
We also learn what an incredible human being, coach, husband, father...Buzz is, in response to a listener question.
I'd like to just ask for a clarification here. Ners, you said "We learn......" Are you suggesting that we learn these attributes of Buzz's by inferring these character traits from how he responded to the questions in general, or because someone asked a question to which buzz responded that he is an incredible human being, coach, husband, etc.?
I think that's all Chicos was asking.
Quote from: Ners on February 08, 2010, 10:49:43 PM
Maybe you should post some more Rocco - we could use some more common sense
I agree, I'm still reflecting on Rocco's post the other day about how terrible a coach Keno Davis is. Glad we pulled out that win the other day against such a horrible coach. His rips on Cubillan over the years have been fun as well....nothing better than ripping on 18-22 year old kids. yes, we could use more of that common sense. My favorite was "Shoot Fitzgerald" and not as in Shoot, Fitzgerald but literally SHOOT FITZGERALD.
I love it when someone like this attacks other posters for being a douche when same poster is such a douche toward our own players. It is fun to read, I'll give you that.
Now, about Otule. This means he's got three years left and I suspect that overall this will help the program out considerably by the time he is a super senior.
Quote from: The Pickle on February 08, 2010, 10:40:17 PM
Most is the operative word. When I was at Marquette I worked with the men's basketball team for 2 years and sat in a lot of practices with Crean verbally abusing players. He never made a kid go stand in a dark shed but probably only because he was inside and there wasn't one around. If I were a player I think I would have opted for the shed than be told some of the things he said. Sadly, most of this verbal abuse was directed at the lowliest members of the team and I feel it was a method to get them to quit so he could get an open scholarship rather than be decent and admit he recruited a kid with less talent than he thought initially. I understand he is only one coach and therefore I will not generalize but I picture guys like Bob Huggins being the same way, which is why I hate them both. I honestly believe Buzz is a good guy and I think he genuinely cares about his players which is why I believe is such a good recruiter.
As an aside, I have spoken with some individuals who worked with guys like Mike K (I won't even attempt or pretend to know how to spell his last name) at Duke and Roy Williams. Coach K was a military guy and I guess was an absolute ass. Swore a lot, belittled players, etc. Discipline by fear. Williams on the other hand, was still a disciplinarian but commanded so much respect he seldom had to yell or reprimand. Believe what you want but I think Buzz is more of a Roy Williams guy. What you see is what you get.
Crean was nothing compared to O'Neill. His berating of Logterman was often the topic of conversations among coaches of other sports teams at MU. Crean was just a "poser" (the term used to describe him by some in the Athletic Dept), with a big ego, but Kevin O'Neill was
an incredibly mean individual.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 08, 2010, 10:47:36 PM
But whatever, if you want to canonize someone and declare their wonderment to human society based on radio interviews, that's great. I just think you do a disservice to anyone when you do that to people but knock your socks off. I just found it interesting you can make a statement on what a person is like based on their own questions on interviews without actually knowing the person. You have a gift.
I want to acknowledge and recognize Buzz Williams for what he has done up to this point. He is consistent, straight-forward, forthcoming, and honest. I do not think that recognizing this, or being complimentary toward a person who is doing a GREAT job - is doing them a disservice? I assume you don't manage or employ any people?
Buzz is very aware of how his decisions impact those around him - his players, this program, this university, his wife and his family - and has a genuine concern to impact each of these entities in the most positive fashion possible. That is very evident from both his interviews and actions, and as a result..I believe you can draw some conclusions as to his character.
I have no reason to think anything negative about Buzz. But, how anyone, in this day and age of sports, can blindly accept someone as being a super human being by his radio interviews I just don't understand.
Tiger Woods. 90% of MLB players in the 1990's/2000's. Etc.
I hope he is a great guy. Until I meet any sports figure personally I won't pretend to know anything about them other than how well they do their job.
Quote from: romey on February 08, 2010, 10:56:14 PM
I'd like to just ask for a clarification here. Ners, you said "We learn......" Are you suggesting that we learn these attributes of Buzz's by inferring these character traits from how he responded to the questions in general, or because someone asked a question to which buzz responded that he is an incredible human being, coach, husband, etc.?
I think that's all Chicos was asking.
I was writing that "we learn," in reference to what Buzz revealed in his radio show, in response to a question from a listener - regarding how he balances his life with so much on his plate and how his wife reacts to the amount of hours he works. Buzz never said he is an incredible human being, coach or husband..he is far too humble to ever say something like that. I would strongly recommend you go play the audio and have a listen - really interesting about his wife/family - she was a former Division 1 basketball player, who was highly recruited. Link to the Marquette Basketball Feb 8 Podcast is here: http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 08, 2010, 10:59:25 PM
I agree, I'm still reflecting on Rocco's post the other day about how terrible a coach Keno Davis is. Glad we pulled out that win the other day against such a horrible coach. His rips on Cubillan over the years have been fun as well....nothing better than ripping on 18-22 year old kids. yes, we could use more of that common sense. My favorite was "Shoot Fitzgerald" and not as in Shoot, Fitzgerald but literally SHOOT FITZGERALD.
I love it when someone like this attacks other posters for being a douche when same poster is such a douche toward our own players. It is fun to read, I'll give you that.
Now, about Otule. This means he's got three years left and I suspect that overall this will help the program out considerably by the time he is a super senior.
You can quote me all you want, I stand by everything I've said. I didn't know you were the grammar police. The "SHOOT FITZGERALD" comment was my frustration with him passing up good shots. I didn't want him literally shot. As for Cubillian, I still don't like the way he plays. So what? 18-22 years old is not a kid. That is the lamest excuse for not criticizing college athletes. Those "kids" you refer to, grow up to be unaccountable pieces of crap like Brett Favre or Chicosbailbonds. It's time these "kids" get more criticism. Very insightful Otule comment. Does your wisdom have any limits? Keno Davis is a terrible coach. Losing at home to a less talented team makes my opinion wrong? You sir are an expert in the art of douchebaggery. I anxiously await your lame response.
Quote from: MUEng92 on February 08, 2010, 11:14:49 PM
I have no reason to think anything negative about Buzz. But, how anyone, in this day and age of sports, can blindly accept someone as being a super human being by his radio interviews I just don't understand.
Tiger Woods. 90% of MLB players in the 1990's/2000's. Etc.
I hope he is a great guy. Until I meet any sports figure personally I won't pretend to know anything about them other than how well they do their job.
You and Chicos always share the same points of view. I'm not surprised at your post, and won't entirely discredit your point. As I said earlier, I guess it depends if you are a cynic or optimist in life and you and Chicos tend to be cynical in your viewpoints. This day and age of sports figures has lead you to not have confidence in the reality that Buzz Williams is a great guy. That is a fair position, but also cynical, especially when there is no evidence to the contrary regarding Buzz NOT being a great guy. Furthermore, to lump Buzz Williams into the broad category of sports figures and cite a few specific examples of Tiger Woods and 90% of MLB players in the 90s...is quite a generalization.
Another hijacking. Again, the only positive is that this thread has neatly organized all of the stupidity on this board into one simple list of screen names, and I think each of them has earned a beating with the "ignore button" stick. What an awesome feature to have on here. Thank you for all ensuring that I will never have to read your comments again.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 08, 2010, 10:59:25 PM
I agree, I'm still reflecting on Rocco's post the other day about how terrible a coach Keno Davis is. Glad we pulled out that win the other day against such a horrible coach. His rips on Cubillan over the years have been fun as well....nothing better than ripping on 18-22 year old kids. yes, we could use more of that common sense. My favorite was "Shoot Fitzgerald" and not as in Shoot, Fitzgerald but literally SHOOT FITZGERALD.
I love it when someone like this attacks other posters for being a douche when same poster is such a douche toward our own players. It is fun to read, I'll give you that.
Now, about Otule. This means he's got three years left and I suspect that overall this will help the program out considerably by the time he is a super senior.
At least Rocco is willing to post an actual opinion, unlike you Chicos. The irony is that you probably don't post your real opinions on anything for fear of being criticized, yet ultimately you end up getting criticized .
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on February 08, 2010, 11:29:27 PM
Another hijacking. Again, the only positive is that this thread has neatly organized all of the stupidity on this board into one simple list of screen names, and I think each of them has earned a beating with the "ignore button" stick. What an awesome feature to have on here. Thank you for all ensuring that I will never have to read your comments again.
Now here is an epic douche. Chicos, you no longer take first place in that department. Birkie, I'm sorry that our discussion was such a beating that you just couldn't take it anymore. But you must be a masochist, because no one made you read the entire thread. Therefore, you shouldn't be a person giving out any beating with the "ignore button" stick. Are you kidding me? Please.
Ners, I won't be posting here. I like to read the posts and that's it. I have a few sources. I believe I was the first one on here with the Maymon to Tennessee news, but there are just to many jags, that ridicule everything you say, its not worth it. I think I have 40 some posts over the last couple of years. It just pissed me off to see Chico call you out about your comment on Buzz. Anyone who has met Buzz, or watched his show, knows how sincere the guy is. He is not a slimy used car salesman like most coaches. I have seen that guy cry more times than any other guy I know. The Buzz's Bunch stuff makes him tear up every time. The guy is genuine. I just get sick of all the cynics. The best thing about Buzz is that he doesn't treat his players like "kids" he makes them accountable for their actions, the players at Marquette are men, not kids.
Here's an opinion. This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen.
Has Buzz been everything MU could hope for in a coach, mentor, and representative? Absolutely. But all this metaphysical talk about him as a man and human being? We're all talking out of our @$$. Judging from what he has done since he's been here, I would classify him as a great guy. But I dunno, he might Eugene Robinson at the Super Bowl tomorrow. Does that make his actions with MU less commendable? Nope.
Why do people get criticized for not having an opinion on the overarching, metaphysical moral standing of an individual we know as a basketball coach? Its insulting not only in that detracts from the practical things he's done, but it in some way constrains what he might decide to do tomorrow. And its absurd to ridicule someone for not passing judgment.
So Otule is definitely red-shirting?
does anyone have a link to the show from tonight?? thanks.
Quote from: Ners on February 08, 2010, 09:05:31 PM
The last 35 minutes of the Buzz show were very informative.
Liked the phrase "keep 'em spinning." I don't think I've heard that one to describe the offensive philosophy before. Maybe I just missed it, but its 100% dead on right for when they're playing good offense.
And I liked that he said that they needed to improve on making more FT's than the other team attempts. They were great at that last year.
Quote from: Rocco on February 08, 2010, 11:44:28 PM
Ners, I won't be posting here. I like to read the posts and that's it. I have a few sources. I believe I was the first one on here with the Maymon to Tennessee news, but there are just to many jags, that ridicule everything you say, its not worth it. I think I have 40 some posts over the last couple of years. It just pissed me off to see Chico call you out about your comment on Buzz. Anyone who has met Buzz, or watched his show, knows how sincere the guy is. He is not a slimy used car salesman like most coaches. I have seen that guy cry more times than any other guy I know. The Buzz's Bunch stuff makes him tear up every time. The guy is genuine. I just get sick of all the cynics. The best thing about Buzz is that he doesn't treat his players like "kids" he makes them accountable for their actions, the players at Marquette are men, not kids.
And I've never once said the guy isn't a nice guy, isn't genuine, isn't a man's man, isn't a terrific guy. Have I Rocco?
No, I haven't. All I said was, and in my mind it was completely correct, is that a guy down in the outskirts of Dallas, TX is not going to be able to find out what kind of a human being another person is by watching an edited interview. It's silly and screams of a 12 year old puppy love.
None of us truly know anything about any of these people. How many people thought they knew their spouses who they lived with every day of their lives only to end up divorcing down the road, and yet some guy 1200 miles away that listens to an interview can determine what type of human being someone is? Give me a break.
If you didn't like it, I'm sorry but I am glad you came to the rescue. Ners has about 200 posts and I'll bet I'm mentioned in 75 of them. It's hilarious and most of all, entertaining as hell.
Now, I've tried to take this back to Otule several times but it keeps coming back so whatever.
Glad you think ripping on 18-22 year old kids, our kids, is a great thing. Congratulations.
Quote from: MUBurrow on February 08, 2010, 11:49:39 PM
Here's an opinion. This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen.
Has Buzz been everything MU could hope for in a coach, mentor, and representative? Absolutely. But all this metaphysical talk about him as a man and human being? We're all talking out of our @$$. Judging from what he has done since he's been here, I would classify him as a great guy. But I dunno, he might Eugene Robinson at the Super Bowl tomorrow. Does that make his actions with MU less commendable? Nope.
Why do people get criticized for not having an opinion on the overarching, metaphysical moral standing of an individual we know as a basketball coach? Its insulting not only in that detracts from the practical things he's done, but it in some way constrains what he might decide to do tomorrow. And its absurd to ridicule someone for not passing judgment.
Ding ding ding. That's all I was saying. But Ners went off the deep end, as did the members of the Bat Phone brigade...same guys every time...hmmm. It's humorous as hell.
Buzz seems a like a great guy, has done some wonderful things....the hero worship as a human being from a guy 1,200 miles away is odd and does a disservice to Buzz. Apparently Ners doesn't understand that. Get those Valentines Day cards out.
Now, about Otule....
What about Yous? Any chance he'll be back; not that it really matters. And do you think he can ever be a well developed center in the BE? I mean he has a long way to go but he is 7'2". He has to intimidate someone.
Quote from: Shooter031 on February 08, 2010, 11:55:17 PM
does anyone have a link to the show from tonight?? thanks.
http://www.gomarquette.com/blog/
Quote from: Ners on February 08, 2010, 09:05:31 PM
We also learn what an incredible human being, coach, husband, father...Buzz is, in response to a listener question.
I'm not sure any normal person read that sentence and didn't think it was a bit overboard. In my opinion, Buzz hasn't even been a dad long enough to prove he's incredible at it, and many would question if a dad can work 100+ weeks and still be a good dad. I won't judge whether Buzz is a bad father, but I also wouldn't call him and incredible human being, coach, husband and father based on a response to a listener question. Politicians must love you!
Quote from: Ners on February 08, 2010, 11:43:49 PM
Now here is an epic douche. Chicos, you no longer take first place in that department. Birkie, I'm sorry that our discussion was such a beating that you just couldn't take it anymore. But you must be a masochist, because no one made you read the entire thread. Therefore, you shouldn't be a person giving out any beating with the "ignore button" stick. Are you kidding me? Please.
No, I came to read the thread to read intelligent discussion about Otule's future and how it will affect our program. Instead, I got a page and a half of you, Rocco, and Chicos peeing on each other and you calling everyone douches. And yes, the ignore button is a great solution to this problem. Thanks for letting me know you wanted to be a part of it.
Anyway, though I think it's unfortunate we're in this situation (It would have been far better if Otule had been able to contribute this season), I think in the long run that it brightens our prospects for the next few seasons that he'll be redshirting. It (hopefully) will be a huge benefit to have him for an extra season. The greatest benefit is that it gives Buzz and the staff some extra time to work on landing some solid recruits at the 5, as Otule an Yous will be able to handle the bulk of the minutes at the 5 over the next couple seasons. The assumption there, however, is that (1) He stays healthy, and (2) continues to display improvement next year.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on February 09, 2010, 06:42:45 AM
Anyway, though I think it's unfortunate we're in this situation (It would have been far better if Otule had been able to contribute this season), I think in the long run that it brightens our prospects for the next few seasons that he'll be redshirting. It (hopefully) will be a huge benefit to have him for an extra season. The greatest benefit is that it gives Buzz and the staff some extra time to work on landing some solid recruits at the 5, as Otule an Yous will be able to handle the bulk of the minutes at the 5 over the next couple seasons. The assumption there, however, is that (1) He stays healthy, and (2) continues to display improvement next year.
My thoughts are similar. If he can defend, rebound and get a couple put-backs it would be a huge lift for MU in certain match-ups next year. I'm happy the possibility of him coming back was floating around because it should mean that he's not too far away from being (or already is) able to participate in individual workouts, practices, etc.
Quote from: Ners on February 08, 2010, 09:54:28 PM
I guess I'll always give a person the benefit of the doubt, until they prove me otherwise. Maybe that makes me naive, but I'd rather be naive than cynical anyday.
+1
Buzz said that Otule practiced on Monday, and that merely having his presence in practice makes the team better. Same with Cadougan and EWill.
Quote from: avid1010 on February 09, 2010, 05:40:09 AM
I'm not sure any normal person read that sentence and didn't think it was a bit overboard. In my opinion, Buzz hasn't even been a dad long enough to prove he's incredible at it, and many would question if a dad can work 100+ weeks and still be a good dad. I won't judge whether Buzz is a bad father, but I also wouldn't call him and incredible human being, coach, husband and father based on a response to a listener question. Politicians must love you!
+1.
If that makes me cynical, then I am cynical. So far, I know Buzz is a good basketball coach. I really know nothing of him personally, and I am not going to get that from a radio interview. And frankly, I don't really care. For all the criticism of Crean, he was a clean recruiter, graduated his players, and won. If Buzz does the same, I'll be satisfied. I honestly don't care all that much about the time he spends with his family, etc. That's for him to figure out...not me.
Thank you, after reading this thread I now know a lot more about Otule redshirting
Did I need teal?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 08, 2010, 09:13:07 PM
You learned he was an incredible human being by his own answers?
Chico's, you and I agree on a lot of stuff (including this)...
But, you have to give this one up.
Ners is a fan of Buzz. That's it. You're not going to prove anything by breaking down his posts.
Your just creating another Buzz fanboy vs Buzz cynics thread.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on February 08, 2010, 11:00:29 PM
Crean was nothing compared to O'Neill. His berating of Logterman was often the topic of conversations among coaches of other sports teams at MU. Crean was just a "poser" (the term used to describe him by some in the Athletic Dept), with a big ego, but Kevin O'Neill was
an incredibly mean individual.
He was as foul mouthed and mean spirited as they come. He was pretty brutal to McIlvaine as well.
On the good guy side, I know a few people that worked with Skip Prosser at Xavier and they never had a bad thing to say about the guy, and that was before he died too soon.
Damnit you guys. Knock it the hell off. Decent topic, degenerating in to guys bickering about how they don't like each other and why. Hint, if you used words like "d-bag" in your posts, I'm talkin' about you.
If you want to talk about Otule, or coaches, someone can start a new thread. Sorry to those of you who wanted to actually discuss that stuff.