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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: willie warrior on February 06, 2010, 12:32:07 PM

Title: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: willie warrior on February 06, 2010, 12:32:07 PM
Where is the interior defense and defense rebounding?

We need bigs!!!
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Jam Chowder on February 06, 2010, 12:34:21 PM
then grow a few inches and learn to play basketball.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 06, 2010, 12:39:03 PM
can we seriously get one defensive rebound without them getting a second chance bucket!?!?!?!?!

oh yeah acker and fulce are garbage
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Aughnanure on February 06, 2010, 12:39:43 PM
Peterson is really really good
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: willie warrior on February 06, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
Quote from: KCMarq09 on February 06, 2010, 12:39:43 PM
Peterson is really really good

And our interior defense is really really bad!
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: PaintTouches on February 06, 2010, 12:45:02 PM
Peterson is great and all but can this announcer get off his nuts!

Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: wyoMUfan on February 06, 2010, 12:46:30 PM
I would like to see our PTS off turn overs this game.
It feels like every time we get a stop we fail to score.
At the under 4 timeout it is looking much better though...knock on wood.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Aughnanure on February 06, 2010, 12:47:18 PM
Quote from: willie warrior on February 06, 2010, 12:44:49 PM
And our interior defense is really really bad!

Well considering that we've done pretty well with rebounds against much bigger teams all year and this is the best rebounding team in the Big East I think it is more about Peterson and their interior being very good and athletic more than ours being bad.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: wyoMUfan on February 06, 2010, 12:54:39 PM
HOLY (*&$W%(*$%*&_(^*&_#$W(^*&#$_()&*%
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 06, 2010, 12:55:19 PM
im preparing myself for the loss now
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: MUBurrow on February 06, 2010, 12:55:48 PM
need a basket now
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 06, 2010, 12:55:57 PM
wow we have zero balls
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 06, 2010, 12:58:57 PM
omg what the hell was cubillon doing
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: CrazyEcho on February 06, 2010, 01:00:18 PM
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on February 06, 2010, 12:55:57 PM
wow we have zero balls

What do you call those two clutch free throws?
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on February 06, 2010, 01:01:28 PM
this game was over until we couldn't get the ball inbounded
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: wyoMUfan on February 06, 2010, 01:02:25 PM
YES!
SOG LAZAR
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Hards Alumni on February 06, 2010, 01:02:58 PM
I love all of the overreaction.

you guys are hilarious.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: ecompt on February 06, 2010, 01:04:47 PM
Maybe the worm has turned. That's twice in a row we've been able to pull out close wins on the road.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: chapman on February 06, 2010, 01:08:39 PM
The interior defense was downright embarrassing, and it's not like Providence had two talented 6'11" bigs.  I'll change my stance on the issue to say if Otule can come back this year no way we should hesitate in letting him because putting a 6'10" scarecrow in the paint would have helped our inside defense, and I'd trust a hand-held vacuum cleaner to suck up more rebounds inside than what we did...from a rebounding perspective I wondered why Fulce didn't get in until late, but it only took 10 seconds to see why as Peterson abused him.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: mwbauer7 on February 06, 2010, 01:09:23 PM
Now we have a week to prepare so we don't get abused by USF in the paint.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2010, 01:27:52 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 06, 2010, 01:08:39 PM
The interior defense was downright embarrassing, and it's not like Providence had two talented 6'11" bigs.  I'll change my stance on the issue to say if Otule can come back this year no way we should hesitate in letting him because putting a 6'10" scarecrow in the paint would have helped our inside defense, and I'd trust a hand-held vacuum cleaner to suck up more rebounds inside than what we did...from a rebounding perspective I wondered why Fulce didn't get in until late, but it only took 10 seconds to see why as Peterson abused him.

It's a testament to how far this team has exceeded expectations that people can still find a way to complain about the manner in which a conference win on the road was achieved.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: MUrugger on February 06, 2010, 01:51:57 PM
Did Willie and 46-47 head to the bomb shelter?

It's well after the game now and they haven't resurfaced.  If I wasn't watching my Warriors gut out this tough win on the road against a determined enemy who viewed this as a must win game, I might have glanced up to see if the sky was falling myself from reading these posts.

This game was going to be a challenge from the time the schedule came out and the mountain got higher as we approached the tip, but the guys kept their focus and hopefully have earned all of the good things that could result.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: chapman on February 06, 2010, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2010, 01:27:52 PM
It's a testament to how far this team has exceeded expectations that people can still find a way to complain about the manner in which a conference win on the road was achieved.

I'm guessing Buzz and the team will be watching the video instead of assuming that none of their mistakes matter simpy because they won.  That's how expectations are exceeded after all.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2010, 02:44:50 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 06, 2010, 02:17:45 PM
I'm guessing Buzz and the team will be watching the video instead of assuming that none of their mistakes matter simpy because they won.  That's how expectations are exceeded after all.

Great. I hope so.
What does that have to do with your griping?

All the film study in the world isn't going to change their most glaring mistake - being small.
I thought it was obvious to everyone since November that lack of size (and therefore interior defense and rebounding) was going to be an issue this year. If anything, it's become even more of an issue since. It's seems, to me at least, futile (at best) and ridiculous (at worse) to complain about this 3+ months into the season. It's not like MU's interior deficienies are a new revelation.

Anyhow, I guess I'm more apt to be happy about how these guys have overcome their physical limitations to be a very competitve group of overacheivers than I am to p*ss and moan about something we all knew would be the case many months ago.
Po-tay-to po-tah-to.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: New Era Warriors on February 06, 2010, 02:57:09 PM
Where are you Willie-Warrior?!?! We won... what are you gonna complain about now?
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: chapman on February 06, 2010, 03:18:11 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on February 06, 2010, 02:44:50 PM
Great. I hope so.
What does that have to do with your griping?

All the film study in the world isn't going to change their most glaring mistake - being small.
I thought it was obvious to everyone since November that lack of size (and therefore interior defense and rebounding) was going to be an issue this year. If anything, it's become even more of an issue since. It's seems, to me at least, futile (at best) and ridiculous (at worse) to complain about this 3+ months into the season. It's not like MU's interior deficienies are a new revelation.

Anyhow, I guess I'm more apt to be happy about how these guys have overcome their physical limitations to be a very competitve group of overacheivers than I am to p*ss and moan about something we all knew would be the case many months ago.
Po-tay-to po-tah-to.

It's fine if they're UConn.  What I didn't expect three months or three hours ago was to get obliterated inside for a good chunk of the game against a team that really can't expose our size issue because they aren't that much bigger.  Talented, yes, but six inches taller, no.  Buzz alluded to an adjustment or two to the positioning of Butler and Hayward that was made defensively to deny them inside and it seemed to help late in the game.  We've played much better inside even against bigger teams than much of this game so most of the issues are probably coachable, but considering how good we are/can be I wouldn't mind sacrificing a year at this point to add Otule's size to hopefully do something about giving up several offensive rebounds in a row to players that weren't that much bigger.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: ATWizJr on February 06, 2010, 03:59:56 PM
They may not be much taller, but they are much wider bodies and you may not know that PC is the #1 Offensive Reb. team in the nation, I believe.  So, you should not be surprised or dismayed by the paint differential.  You wanna' gripe, our first half TO's hurt us a lot.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: NersEllenson on February 06, 2010, 04:13:35 PM
That was by far the most dominated MU has been this year on the O-Glass.  I was not aware PC was the number 1 rebounding team in the Big East as someone pointed out - or the best Offensive Rebounding team in the country?  While it was frustrating for sure, somehow these guys managed to fight through and gut out a tough win.  LOVE THIS TEAM..so fun to watch.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: Pakuni on February 06, 2010, 04:19:42 PM
Quote from: chapman on February 06, 2010, 03:18:11 PM
It's fine if they're UConn.  What I didn't expect three months or three hours ago was to get obliterated inside for a good chunk of the game against a team that really can't expose our size issue because they aren't that much bigger.  Talented, yes, but six inches taller, no.  

Six inches taller? No.
But bigger at every position.
Their starting five: 6-5, 190; 6-6, 230; 6-8, 228; 5-10, 170; 6-4, 205.
MU's starting five: 6-2, 200; 6-6, 215; 6-6, 225; 5-8, 165; 6-0, 175.

I don't think anybody is suggesting MU rebounded particlulary well, especially in the first half. I was just surprised that someone's first thought after a win was to complain that a bigger and better rebounding team actually played bigger and rebounded better, particularly on their home court.
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: ATWizJr on February 06, 2010, 07:56:23 PM
Quote from: 46-47warriorcaptain on February 06, 2010, 12:55:57 PM
wow we have zero balls

you have zero.....fill in the blank!
Title: Re: Getting Abused Hugely in the Paint
Post by: tower912 on February 06, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Quote from: MUrugger on February 06, 2010, 01:51:57 PM
Did Willie and 46-47 head to the bomb shelter?

It's well after the game now and they haven't resurfaced.  If I wasn't watching my Warriors gut out this tough win on the road against a determined enemy who viewed this as a must win game, I might have glanced up to see if the sky was falling myself from reading these posts.

This game was going to be a challenge from the time the schedule came out and the mountain got higher as we approached the tip, but the guys kept their focus and hopefully have earned all of the good things that could result.
Seriously, gloom and doom boys, come back out and face the music.   Nobody was happy early.    Suck it up and stick by your team, instead of p!$$!ng and whining every                                  
single
freakin
post.


We are more likely to see Chico and Hayward have a love-in than you two post something positive.     WTF were your expectations for this season?    Before/After all of the injuries and the defection?   Did you expect us to win every game by shutout and Buzz suddenly be able to recruit nothing but 5 star bigs?   Here is a newsflash.   We are not going to win the the national championship this year.   They could still play their butts off and end up in the NIT.  The team is going to continue to play with maximum effort.    They are going to continue to represent MU with class and panache.     Buzz is going to continue to work his a$$ off.   WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?!?!?    Can you possibly ask for better effort or more entertainng basketball?     Pathetic.
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