you would replace pitt with if they do leave for the big ten here! I am gonna say either St. Josephs or Xavier.
St. Josephs, would be great.
Another Jesuit school with a good basketball tradition and their rivalry with Nova would be nurtured and showcased because of the conference match-ups.
Nova's football team is ready for DI I think if PITT leaves a "basketball" school will replace.
thus i would nominate UW-Milwaukee
Doesn't it need to be a D1 football school? How about Xavier and Notre Dame?
Neither makes sense as it has no viable football option (unless Nova gets admitted into the BE for football). It would probably be Memphis
Notre Dame would never join the bigeast for football
they are too awesome for a conference
I think xaviers other athletics would be a good fit, women's hoops, soccer etc.
Do they even have a football team?
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on February 01, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
you would replace pitt with if they do leave for the big ten here! I am gonna say either St. Josephs or Xavier.
It would be football first in the decision which is why Memphis is a front runner and why Tranghese is a consultant for the Tigers.
Besides, Adam Zagoria is now reporting the rumors are false and has quotes from the Pitt athletic department.
Pitt staying is clearly the best scenario, but I am sorry, I just can't stand the idea of memphis being in the big east. It would just be a bad move for so many reasons.
It's exciting the idea of shaking things up, and seeing a BIGten championship game (sort of)
But agreed, the best for our conference is for the Panthers to stay in the Bigeast
I would hope against Memphis.
BUT...
It could be worse.
If somehow a real "football school" came in, it could start a chain reaction that wouldn't end up good for MU. Not saying it would be the immediate demise of the current Big East, just saying it could shift priorities and eventually ruin the current Big East.
Is there a good reason why no one has mentioned Butler? They seem ideal in many ways, aside from the broadcasting nightmare of constantly referring to Butler and Hayward for both teams when they play Marquette.
I cannot think of an established football program anywhere near the level of Pitt that would join the Big East (meaning not already in a BCS conference or ND and geographically feasable) and can also bring basketball.
Quote from: 2002mualum on February 01, 2010, 11:44:19 AM
I would hope against Memphis.
BUT...
It could be worse.
If somehow a real "football school" came in, it could start a chain reaction that wouldn't end up good for MU. Not saying it would be the immediate demise of the current Big East, just saying it could shift priorities and eventually ruin the current Big East.
I was thinking the same thing. Football money rules and it will only be a matter of time til we start to fill the impact.
I think now more than ever, Notre Dame joining the big east for football is a possibility. They aren't the program they once were, and their new coach showed that you can put together a powerful team in the big east. If Notre Dame joined the buig east and Pitt stayed, the big east could really compete with almost all the power conferences in football other than the sec.
It'd be interesting to see the crowd reaction when the golden domers made their first trip to cincy
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on February 01, 2010, 11:47:43 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Football money rules and it will only be a matter of time til we start to fill the impact.
And the worst thing is...college football = extremely overrated
I'm not sure if they'd just sit on a Nova promotion. Nova jumping up to D-I I'm sure will happen, but they'd probably look to add another football school which'd probably be Memphis. It doesn't matter what the fans want, it's all about $$$. That's why Xavier, St. Joe's, Rhode Island, Delaware (unless their football program goes D-I in the next 5 years) would never be added. Marquette may have to look to the A-10 or CUSA again in the next 5 years if the football schools decide to go their own route. I know there've been ideas of a Catholic Conference for the basketball onlies and that'd be interesting.
If St Louis would commit the necessary money to their program--a condition to getting accepted into the Big East, they would be better than Xavier (canibalizes UC) and St Jospeh's (canibalizes Villanova).
I think we are all jumping to conclusions about the complete dismantling of the big east simply because Pitt might leave. The big east was fine when boston college, miami, and virginia tech left. If it can rebound from that, it can rebound from this very easily.
Although I wouldn't mind Xavier, I'd be surprised. I don't think they will put another team from Cincinnati in the conference. I would imagine that the conference would want to either keep the Pittsburgh market (Duquesne) or, more likely, pick up a new market (Memphis or some other new area). From a purely selfish point of view, I'd vote for Cleveland State. I'd love to have Marquette come play here every couple of years. Dayton would also at least be fairly close. Toledo? Akron? Kent State? Noticing a trend here?
Quote from: Knight Commission on February 01, 2010, 11:57:06 AM
If St Louis would commit the necessary money to their program--a condition to getting accepted into the Big East, they would be better than Xavier (canabilizes UC) and St Jospeh's (canibalizes Villanova).
Saint Josephs wouldn't lay a finger on Nova. Nova is too strong academically.
The Big East lost a lot on the football side when those three schools left. IF Pitt leaves (that's a big if) and IF only Pitt leaves, the Big East should be fine...for now. Football money rules and who's not to say the SEC, ACC, Big 12, or the Big 10 want to eventually jump to 14? It's a very weird time in college sports.
I agree that Pitt staying is the best option. The worst option is adding a dirty program like Memphis.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 01, 2010, 12:08:17 PM
I agree that Pitt staying is the best option. The worst option is adding a dirty program like Memphis.
+ 1,000,000
Should Pitt Leave for the Big Ten then my vote is for Memphis. The school has great basketball and football programs and my only concern would be on the academic side of things, but froma revenue standpoint Mephis is vastly superior to Xavier/St. Joe's ability to generate funds.
If football is the main consideration why would it be Memphis? They won 1 game in C-USA last year (to UTEP, who ironically returned the favor in hoops). East Carolina anyone?
East carolina sounds even worse than memphis.
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on February 01, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
you would replace pitt with if they do leave for the big ten here! I am gonna say either St. Josephs or Xavier.
It has to be football school, there is no other choice. The key is keeping the football schools together to keep the league together. This is why I pray that the Big Ten goes after Missouri only. If they do, then the dominoes likely avoid us.
My dream would be Boston College....great football and solid hoops, bring them back to the Big East and capture the Boston market.
That would be huge, but a lot of feathers were ruffled when they left.
UCF (mentioned by NY Warrior) is a good one for talent rich Florida on the football side. Sucks for hoops, but helps football.
And though they suck in football and already got kicked out, Temple has football and basketball.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 01, 2010, 12:24:46 PM
My dream would be Boston College....great football and solid hoops, bring them back to the Big East and capture the Boston market.
Boston Market, drool.
1) BC
2) UCF
3) ECU
Pitt staying would be preference #1. If they stay, I'd like to add one of those teams. If they would leave, I would like to add two of the three above.
After seeing the schools being mentioned in this thread, lets all say a quick prayer that Pitt stays in the Big East.
I do not see any way BC comes back. I hate to say it but the ACC is just a better athletic conference overall and especially for football.
what about Missouri? Maybe not geographically ideal, but they were priced to move when the talk about Big Ten expansion began. Further, they might salivate at the chance to get out of the brutal Big 12 football schedule and be able to compete in a weaker Big East.
Quote from: Jacks DC on February 01, 2010, 12:36:16 PM
I do not see any way BC comes back. I hate to say it but the ACC is just a better athletic conference overall and especially for football.
It's interesting, Collin Cowherd did an analysis on this a few weeks ago. Since the BCS was started, the ACC is dead last in football. It surprised me. The SEC was first, followed by the Pac Ten. Guess what, the Big East finished 4th, the Big Ten 5th.
Now, his analysis was based on BCS bowl games, but nevertheless it was an interesting take.
ACC hoops has gotten worse since the merger and ACC football did not get the bump they thought they were going to get. I agree, unlikely that BC comes back but that would be ideal.
Quote from: Jacks DC on February 01, 2010, 12:36:16 PM
I do not see any way BC comes back. I hate to say it but the ACC is just a better athletic conference overall and especially for football.
Not by a lot. (football)
??? (basketball) depends on the year.
Football conferences ( in no particular order)
Big 10(11)
Pac 10
SEC
Big 12
ACC is in the tier below these 4 with ???
BEast is in the next tier, but in some years can compete at the top.
A quick look of this years final poll shows 3 BEast teams and 4 ACC teams in Top 25. Other receiving votes 2-1 BEast. I know there are other factors, but it is not obvious that ACC is that much better in Football.
In this order:
BC
UCF
Memphis
All those because of football and media market considerations.
If we are just talking basketball:
UMass
Butler
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 01, 2010, 12:41:45 PM
It's interesting, Collin Cowherd did an analysis on this a few weeks ago. Since the BCS was started, the ACC is dead last in football. It surprised me. The SEC was first, followed by the Pac Ten. Guess what, the Big East finished 4th, the Big Ten 5th.
Now, his analysis was based on BCS bowl games, but nevertheless it was an interesting take.
ACC hoops has gotten worse since the merger and ACC football did not get the bump they thought they were going to get. I agree, unlikely that BC comes back but that would be ideal.
Depends on how the analysis was done but that is questionable criteria in any case. When the BCS started you had Miami, BC and Virginia Tech in the BE. Miami has as many BCS wins as a Big East member as the rest of the conference combined. Also, West Virginia has competed on a national level in a way that few if any current Big East schools have.
In any case, ACC football brings in more than double the revenue of the Big East and has a per game attendance advantage of about 13,000. I can't imagine they are eager to trade games against Florida St., VT, Miami and Clemson for WVU, Cincy, UConn and USF.
From a basketball perspective, I think the Big East may have a slight edge right now but the ACC has arguably the two most prominent programs in the country in Duke and UNC.
Its a tough sell.
Maybe Butler's 11-1 FCS team should play Memphis' 2-10 FBS team for the right to join.
Don't sleep on the Service Acadamies. Navy for example would make a ton of sense in the Big East. Football is good and could be better in a BCS league, and basketball has had success in the past(David Robinson).
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on February 01, 2010, 12:19:56 PM
Should Pitt Leave for the Big Ten then my vote is for Memphis. The school has great basketball and football programs and my only concern would be on the academic side of things, but froma revenue standpoint Mephis is vastly superior to Xavier/St. Joe's ability to generate funds.
Is Memphis really that worse academically then say a Cincinnati, Lousiville, West Virginia? Personally, i really don't worry about academics in athletic conferences. Over the years I've eliminated the student from the idea of a "student athlete".
I say let Notre Dame join the Big East with the condition that they can keep 100% of their TV reveue for their home games and maybe keep their bowl money for the first few year. Bribing ND to join for football is a grea investment.
If ND joined for football, just had another home and home game for basketball and call it a day.
Quote from: MUBurrow on February 01, 2010, 12:39:18 PM
what about Missouri? Maybe not geographically ideal, but they were priced to move when the talk about Big Ten expansion began. Further, they might salivate at the chance to get out of the brutal Big 12 football schedule and be able to compete in a weaker Big East.
good point
Quote from: Clarence on February 01, 2010, 01:23:03 PM
Don't sleep on the Service Acadamies. Navy for example would make a ton of sense in the Big East. Football is good and could be better in a BCS league, and basketball has had success in the past(David Robinson).
+1
Quote from: Jacks DC on February 01, 2010, 01:05:39 PM
Depends on how the analysis was done but that is questionable criteria in any case. When the BCS started you had Miami, BC and Virginia Tech in the BE. Miami has as many BCS wins as a Big East member as the rest of the conference combined. Also, West Virginia has competed on a national level in a way that few if any current Big East schools have.
In any case, ACC football brings in more than double the revenue of the Big East and has a per game attendance advantage of about 13,000. I can't imagine they are eager to trade games against Florida St., VT, Miami and Clemson for WVU, Cincy, UConn and USF.
From a basketball perspective, I think the Big East may have a slight edge right now but the ACC has arguably the two most prominent programs in the country in Duke and UNC.
Its a tough sell.
My guess is that he included by conference based on where those schools were at the time. So the Big East got credit for Va Tech, Miami, etc when they were in the Big East. Just a guess.
Boise State
They would kill to be in a BCS conference
1. Boston College
2. Xavier
3. Dayton
4. Butler (maybe they could play some games at Conseco Fieldhouse)
5. UCF
Boston College would be optimal because they would also bring in football. Also, since they are the Eagles, maybe MU would feel a need to go back to Warriors (can't have the same names in the same conference). If Xavier/Dayton/Butler join, then there would have to be incentives to a non football school or maybe one with a lower level team (Nova) to form a D-I caliber team. Not a big fan of UCF joining, but have seen this as a possibility. Definitely do not want Memphis.
I'd vote for BC coming back but I can't see why they would at this point. Granted, if 'Nova or Georgetown decide to move up to the FBS, we wouldn't necessarily need a football school. In that case, I'd take Xavier or Dayton.
I still think Temple would be interesting to consider, as they were a BE football-only member for years and have great basketball tradition. Yet, it remains to be seen whether their football program can maintain the decent success achieved this year.