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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Golden Shaka on February 01, 2010, 09:37:00 AM
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http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/83245077.html (http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/83245077.html)
I'm not sure if this has much truth to it. I didn't even think it was going to be considered for another year or so
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Pitt fans say nothing happening this week
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I heard this blurb cited on WSSP this morning on their 15-minute news updates:
http://benmaller.com/archives/2010/02/01/source-pitt-headed-to-big-10/
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Pitt fans say nothing happening this week
There is a big, department wide staff meeting set for later this week. Their SID put this out on Twitter just a few hours ago:
http://twitter.com/PittBorghetti/status/8481753217
IMO, this is happening folks.
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I would assume it it is true, we should be more concerned about who is replacing them in the BigEast.
Memphis is the first name that came to mind, but maybe a team from the A10 like Xavier. I hesitate to even say Memphis, but with Calipari gone it might not be a bad fit and a potentially even swap.
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Yah I work in the Northwestern Athletic Department and I'm hearing that there is a definite possibility of this happening.
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Memphis is an even swap basketball wise, a downgrade football wise, and a quantum leap backwards academically.
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It would never be Xavier, it'd have to be a football school. They'd probably raid Conference USA again for at least one football school. Who knows, maybe they'd start cutting bait on some of the non-football members earlier than expected :-[
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Delaware could be an interesting potential replacement.
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They aren't D-I football yet, are they?
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There is a big, department wide staff meeting set for later this week. Their SID put this out on Twitter just a few hours ago:
http://twitter.com/PittBorghetti/status/8481753217
IMO, this is happening folks.
Isn't this what their SID put out?
"Now hear this: rumors on Internet message boards should be read for amusement purposes only, and not consumed as responsible journalism."
I wouldn't exactly call it a denial, but neither does it sound anything close to a confirmation, implied or otherwise.
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Isn't this what their SID put out?
"Now hear this: rumors on Internet message boards should be read for amusement purposes only, and not consumed as responsible journalism."
I wouldn't exactly call it a denial, but neither does it sound anything close to a confirmation, implied or otherwise.
If you are the Pitt SID, and there is nothing to the story, you would likely issue a stronger denial wouldn't you?
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If you are the Pitt SID, and there is nothing to the story, you would likely issue a stronger denial wouldn't you?
What's stronger and more official than Twitter?
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What's stronger and more official than Twitter?
Nothing's quicker.
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Even if they were to join the Big Ten, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't expand tv markets for the conference and I doubt Penn State and Ohio State would like another school in the middle of them to take their basketball and football recruits that they can almost already dominate within their own states (at least for those that want to play in the big ten).
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If Pitt goes, give Rhody a look. Makes for a nice weekend schedule of PC then URI. Schools are 30 miles apart.
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Yeah, I agree in thinking they would want a football replacement as well.
I say give someone a chance out of the MVC, University of Northern Iowa ;)
Rumors of Nova going full fledged DI w/ football so losing Pitt and not replacing with a DI football program wouldn't hurt if Villanova took their spot on the field and brought in a basketball only
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If Pitt leaves for the little 10, would that have any effect on our position with 2010 recruit, Mo Walker? Any reason why he has not pulled the trigger yet?
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Even if they were to join the Big Ten, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't expand tv markets for the conference and I doubt Penn State and Ohio State would like another school in the middle of them to take their basketball and football recruits that they can almost already dominate within their own states (at least for those that want to play in the big ten).
Sure it does, it allows them to have a championship game. The Big Ten has taken a big hit in football for awhile now. They have fallen considerably in the last 7 or 8 years. This was the first year they had a winning bowl record in ages. They have been blown out in the top BCS bowl games. They routinely finish 4th or 5th in the power ratings. And their biggest issue is no championship game. So their season ends the last week of October or first week of November and they are totally media silent for the next three weeks while the SEC and Big 12 are still playing. Plus the revenue for that championship game is huge.
It makes a lot of sense to go to 12 teams. 14 is another story, but who knows what they have in mind.
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Didn't we already have this thread? Like twice this weekend? Seems like Deja Vu
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=17702.0
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=17706.0
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Sure it does, it allows them to have a championship game. The Big Ten has taken a big hit in football for awhile now. They have fallen considerably in the last 7 or 8 years. This was the first year they had a winning bowl record in ages. They have been blown out in the top BCS bowl games. They routinely finish 4th or 5th in the power ratings. And their biggest issue is no championship game. So their season ends the last week of October or first week of November and they are totally media silent for the next three weeks while the SEC and Big 12 are still playing. Plus the revenue for that championship game is huge.
It makes a lot of sense to go to 12 teams. 14 is another story, but who knows what they have in mind.
It makes a lot of sense for the Big Televen to go to 12 teams, though I'm not sure Pitt would be the best choice (they'd obviously prefer Notre Dame and perhaps Mizzou, but perhaps no interest from Mizzou).
What I don't get is how this helps Pitt, at least competitively. I'm sure from the standpoint of putting fannies in seats at Heinz, Ohio State, Iowa and Michigan are far more attractive than Louisville, Rutgers and South Florida.
But in the Big East, Pitt is competing for a BCS Bowl every year. In the Big Televen, they'll be competing for an Champs Sports Bowl.
On the basketball side, there's no gain either financially or competitively.
I'm sure smarter people than I (yes, there are a few) have crunched the numbers and figure there's a strong financial incentive here, but I think Pitt takes a big risk in going from a perennial contender to a perennial also-ran.
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If Pitt leaves for the little 10, would that have any effect on our position with 2010 recruit, Mo Walker? Any reason why he has not pulled the trigger yet?
Pitt would probably blow out Oconomowoc and Watertown. Maybe even compete with Wisconsin Lutheran.
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The only reason I see this making sense for Pitt to switch is stability. They don't want to be left without a chair when the music stops if either Syracuse or Rutgers jump.
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Sure it does, it allows them to have a championship game. The Big Ten has taken a big hit in football for awhile now. They have fallen considerably in the last 7 or 8 years. This was the first year they had a winning bowl record in ages. They have been blown out in the top BCS bowl games. They routinely finish 4th or 5th in the power ratings. And their biggest issue is no championship game. So their season ends the last week of October or first week of November and they are totally media silent for the next three weeks while the SEC and Big 12 are still playing. Plus the revenue for that championship game is huge.
It makes a lot of sense to go to 12 teams. 14 is another story, but who knows what they have in mind.
See what Pakuni said.
I don't mean going up to one more team for the big ten, I mean for Pitt and why not add a different team. It doesn't matter if it's pitt or whoever, another team is another team and that will bring them to 12. I'm say it makes no sense to ad Pitt. It doesn't help pitt and it only helps the big ten to get to 12 teams, no increase in tv markets and no expansion of recruiting base. I think they should add another team, just one that would make more sense.
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Pitt would probably blow out Oconomowoc and Watertown. Maybe even compete with Wisconsin Lutheran.
A shout-out to my former conference. God, it's been a long time.
I think if Pitt. leaves the BEAST Dixon will feel slighted. Perhaps the AD will take the time to gain Dixon's acceptance, but essentially they're going against his strong wishes, and for a man who has a lot of schools that would love to see him on their bench, I'll be interested to see how this all plays out.
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Sure it does, it allows them to have a championship game...Plus the revenue for that championship game is huge.
Correct. People are really over thinking this thing, as it is about 2 things, and they're both the same...football and money. Academics, Basketball, geography/distance (independent of TV markets), are not even close when it comes to making this decision, which is why this makes sense for both.
It makes sense for the Big Ten, because of the championship game, and it does also reinforce the Philadelphia market, and obviously adds Pittsburgh. There aren't many more desirable markets that are realistic possibilities...NY, LA, Chicago, Boston, etc...there just aren't teams in those markets that would make the move. Move further down the list and you start talking about teams having to leave the ACC or SEC...not gonna happen.
There are millions and millions of reason fro Pittsburgh to do it. Once they get 'vested' their TV revenues increase by 3-4 times, due to the TV contracts the Big ten has because of their football. They are simply never gonna get that kind of money out of the Big East.
Jaimie Dixon doesn't have to like it...at least not until he coaches the football team.
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Jaimie Dixon doesn't have to like it...at least not until he coaches the football team.
I think everyone gets that...it's just an interesting part of this whole situation.
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It makes a lot of sense for the Big Televen to go to 12 teams, though I'm not sure Pitt would be the best choice (they'd obviously prefer Notre Dame and perhaps Mizzou, but perhaps no interest from Mizzou).
What I don't get is how this helps Pitt, at least competitively. I'm sure from the standpoint of putting fannies in seats at Heinz, Ohio State, Iowa and Michigan are far more attractive than Louisville, Rutgers and South Florida.
But in the Big East, Pitt is competing for a BCS Bowl every year. In the Big Televen, they'll be competing for an Champs Sports Bowl.
On the basketball side, there's no gain either financially or competitively.
I'm sure smarter people than I (yes, there are a few) have crunched the numbers and figure there's a strong financial incentive here, but I think Pitt takes a big risk in going from a perennial contender to a perennial also-ran.
It's a valid point Pakuni. I would attribute it to the ceiling mentality. Pitt probably thinks that the Big Ten would allow them to raise their ceiling with recruiting in football. It would allow them to get kids that now go to Penn State. That's my hunch.
You're entirely accurate that the road is far easier for them in the Big East in terms of BCS berths, etc, but I suspect for the same reason Va. Tech, BC and Miami, they feel the Big East is a basketball conference first and football second....and they would be right.
Tough seeing Pitt as anything better than the 5th place Big Ten football team behind Michigan (when they get their crap together), OSU, PSU and Wisconsin. Whereas in the Big East they will consistently be in the top 3 and always competing for the Big East championship.
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It makes a lot of sense for the Big Televen to go to 12 teams, though I'm not sure Pitt would be the best choice (they'd obviously prefer Notre Dame and perhaps Mizzou, but perhaps no interest from Mizzou).
What I don't get is how this helps Pitt, at least competitively. I'm sure from the standpoint of putting fannies in seats at Heinz, Ohio State, Iowa and Michigan are far more attractive than Louisville, Rutgers and South Florida.
But in the Big East, Pitt is competing for a BCS Bowl every year. In the Big Televen, they'll be competing for an Champs Sports Bowl.
On the basketball side, there's no gain either financially or competitively.
I'm sure smarter people than I (yes, there are a few) have crunched the numbers and figure there's a strong financial incentive here, but I think Pitt takes a big risk in going from a perennial contender to a perennial also-ran.
It is ironic that you bring up the Champs Sports Bowl. This is the last year for the Big Ten's tie-in to that bowl. Next year, it goes to the second place Big East team...while the #4 Big Ten team (likely #5 team because the Big Ten generally gets two BCS bids) will go to the Gator Bowl.
The Big Ten gives Pitt more money and more exposure via football...and that will dwarf whatever they get from basketball.
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From what I've seen/read/heard the B10 had a preference for Mizzou, but that deal is a few years away as Mizzou can't get out of their current contract without heavy financial losses. It seems to point to the real possibility that the B10 will start a major re-shuffle nation wide...
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Erroneous reports such as one from sports radio host Ben Maller have surfaced that claim Pittsburgh is set to join an expanded Big Ten.
Apparently, the original source was a few student-athletes at Pitt who Tweeted about a meeting during which Big Ten expansion was brought up — or, more likely, not brought up.
Bottom line, a source at the conference reiterated to the Tribune on Monday that the Big Ten will adhere to the timetable it laid out in December — a 12- to 18-month period of analysis. The league will then determine whether it wants to expand and, if so, how many schools it will invite to the party.
Teddy Greenstein