MU was not ready to play, simple as that.
At least the NCAA tournament talk can stop now.
I'm not going to go all pollyanna but this team is not embarrasing. That said...this loss is f'ing HUMILIATING
Haven't seen the action since the DC area isn't showing it until later tonight on replay but watched the score the final minutes on CBS Scoreboard...WTF happened?!?!?!
Lazar and Cubes missed the front end of 1 and 1's and they lost on a last second shot...unbelievable.
please refrain from commenting if you havent watched the game. meaningless.
Once again, the inability to make a clutch free throw in the final minute. Of course, it shouldn't have come to that. This season is over.
Dolly, I'm not going to rile you up. I know you're highly overemotional right now, what with your "close the school" post but I'm not going to refrain from trying to figure out what went down.
So how many games is it this year where I am so sick to my stomach I can't even believe it.
So essentially we are about 5 points from a 3 loss team. I realize we may not have the players but how can we be so close everytime but never pull it out (1-6 yes Georgetown)
Inability to make a free throw? How about inability to get a field goal in the final three minutes....AGAIN!
Effing pathetic.
The worst thing is that this is a benefit-of-the-doubt loss. Meaning, no matter what happens from here out, we now have this loss on our resume and it's gonna be tough to find a competing BCS-conference team with a worse one than this.
there's no such thing as a bcs team in college basketball. wrong sport.
I kept asking myself when the team was going actually step off the bus and show up... how is this the same team that we saw dismantle providence?
It wasn't the same team. They shied away from the 3, Lazar once again shucked his role as leader, and we didn't capitalize on their turnovers.
im embarrassed. awful.
Dear God! is there really 25+ topics about this loss. Yes, it was a huge loss, but they happen. Didn't we lose to teams like Dayton with our big 3 when we were top 25? They will win some more they shouldn't have, and they will lose some they should win. They might not make the tournament but the future is still bright.
Calling a bunch of 19-22 year olds an embarrassing team after one loss. Why don't you say how much heart these guys have next week and how amazingly they compete when have a close game against a top 25 teams. Stop being so emotional.
I was there and it wasn't any better live than some of these posts saying how sick it was. Embarrassing is a good word though. How do you lose to a team that has had 24 straight BE losses? To me, and I'll be quick to say I can't get in the minds of the players, it seems like MU never thought they were going to lose until they did. The final margin was DePaul's only lead.
Buzz may have been the only one that sensed the urgency. DJO was way off and then was afraid to take his shot. The team looked like it was content to put in a sloppy effort and pay the price for winning a game they should have dominated (i.e. have Buzz take them through some tough practices, listen to his harsh words--all of the things that come with lackadaisical effort.)
Junior warmed up and seemed to have his game face on, but I never really thought he was going to get in--unless they got a 20+ pt. lead which I think most of the place thought was going to happen. I know it was 20-8 MU at one point, but again at no point was Marquette playing well.
Whoever said that we can now cool the NCAA talk is smack on. It was a bad loss to a very bad team. That 1- after DePaul's name in the standings may still be there when the BE season is over.
For the shoulda, coulda, woulda crowd there was a Buycks 3 at the end of the first half that sure looked good but was waved off. And on the final play, trailing by one after a Cubie missed front end of the one and bonus, Acker swiped it away from Jeremiah Kelly (who was a TO waiting to happen all night) and it bounced towards the sideline when Stovall picked it up and hurled in a long 2 with 0.7 seconds left. From about five minutes to play it looked like MU was going to play bad enough for DePaul to get a chance to steal it at the end and they did. The better team didn't win but MU certainly earned the loss. A really bad loss; may come with a hangover.
Gang,
I believe God gives you the same test over and over until you pass it. It is my sincere belief that Jesus didn't want us to win this game. But we'll pray over every made basket and hope that Jesus wants us to win on the home stand.
This team is average at best. I think we'll be a 17 seed onthe tourney and lose to Creighton at the buzzer. Blah, blah. Truth is MU has underperformed for 4 hrs + 1 game. DePaul sucks ass. Defend this loss. I dare you.
Quote from: muhoops1 on January 20, 2010, 11:52:58 PM
Gang,
I believe God gives you the same test over and over until you pass it. It is my sincere belief that Jesus didn't want us to win this game. But we'll pray over every made basket and hope that Jesus wants us to win on the home stand.
This team is average at best. I think we'll be a 17 seed onthe tourney and lose to Creighton at the buzzer. Blah, blah. Truth is MU has underperformed for 4 hrs + 1 game. DePaul sucks ass. Defend this loss. I dare you.
It's a team full of new comers, a undersized PG, and a team leader who has been the 4th man for the past 3 years. I don't expect this team to win every game. It was a bad loss, but that doesn't mean it's horrible or an "embarrassing team." I'll give you it's an embarrassing loss, but I haven't given up on this team, especially looking into the future.
Yes, this was a disappointing loss, but the team is not an embarrassment. An embarrassing team is one like SUNY-Binghamton, where multiple players get arrested for assault, the starting point guard is a drug dealer, and 5 guys get dismissed for disciplinary reasons in one season.
MU played a bad game, but that's it.
Quote from: bma725 on January 21, 2010, 12:19:21 AM
the starting point guard is a drug dealer
may be closer to the truth than you think...
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 20, 2010, 11:37:02 PM
Dear God! is there really 25+ topics about this loss. Yes, it was a huge loss, but they happen. Didn't we lose to teams like Dayton with our big 3 when we were top 25? They will win some more they shouldn't have, and they will lose some they should win. They might not make the tournament but the future is still bright.
Calling a bunch of 19-22 year olds an embarrassing team after one loss. Why don't you say how much heart these guys have next week and how amazingly they compete when have a close game against a top 25 teams. Stop being so emotional.
I'm with you, i never once thought the kids weren't playing their hardest. They just had a mix of struggling how to figure out that matchup zone, couldn't hit open shots that they normally make, and yet again couldn't make free throws late that would have sealed the game.
Often solid teams that lack overwhelming talent though will find themselves in close games with bad teams a few times instead of the games being blowouts. In those type of games, someone needs to be able to step up and hit a big shot late or make free throws so as to pull out one of those wow thank god we hung on games. It never happened tonight though. If either Lazar or Coobie makes both free throws, they hang on.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 20, 2010, 11:37:02 PM
Dear God! is there really 25+ topics about this loss. Yes, it was a huge loss, but they happen. Didn't we lose to teams like Dayton with our big 3 when we were top 25? They will win some more they shouldn't have, and they will lose some they should win. They might not make the tournament but the future is still bright.
Calling a bunch of 19-22 year olds an embarrassing team after one loss. Why don't you say how much heart these guys have next week and how amazingly they compete when have a close game against a top 25 teams. Stop being so emotional.
Dayton hasn't been awful in a really long time. DePaul is the worst team in any major conference, and maybe only slightly better than some of the worst mid-low major teams. To say this loss is an embarrassment is an understatement and it's the worst loss by a Marquette team since the Deane era.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 20, 2010, 11:37:02 PM
Dear God! is there really 25+ topics about this loss. Yes, it was a huge loss, but they happen. Didn't we lose to teams like Dayton with our big 3 when we were top 25? They will win some more they shouldn't have, and they will lose some they should win. They might not make the tournament but the future is still bright.
Calling a bunch of 19-22 year olds an embarrassing team after one loss. Why don't you say how much heart these guys have next week and how amazingly they compete when have a close game against a top 25 teams. Stop being so emotional.
What does being 19-22 have to do with it? 18 year olds can fight a die in war, no room for weakness there. When you look at the big picture, its really not that much pressure to make a couple free throws, they should be able to do it. Hell, they are receiving a free 36k/year education to make those shots, don't tell me how they are too young to be expected to do it.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 20, 2010, 10:05:48 PM
MU was not ready to play, simple as that.
And that is on the Coach!!!!!!!
Good thing Koshwal wasn't playing. We'd have lost by 20. Very disappointing. Kinda' like the Packer loss to Tampa Bay. No wait, this was worse. It's a laughingstock-type loss. Well we're the answer to a new trivia question now, aren't we?
Quote from: Curtis Loew on January 21, 2010, 12:29:09 AM
may be closer to the truth than you think...
Granted, I chuckled, but completely unnecessary.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 20, 2010, 11:37:02 PM
Dear God! is there really 25+ topics about this loss. Yes, it was a huge loss, but they happen. Didn't we lose to teams like Dayton with our big 3 when we were top 25?
Dayton got as far as we did in the NCAA tournament last year. DePaul would come in 7th in the Horizon League. The USF game would be a better comparison, except 1) as far as Buzz's "zero margin of error" is concerned, last year's team could afford the loss while this year's team could not, and 2) we traveled to Tampa, not Chicago to play in front of half MU fans.
I will give DePaul, and I suppose Tracy Webster some credit. As far as effort and intensity goes, they looked a little like we usually do last night. I don't think they are any good, but they sure played better than I thought they were capable of.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 20, 2010, 11:37:02 PM
Dear God! is there really 25+ topics about this loss. Yes, it was a huge loss, but they happen. Didn't we lose to teams like Dayton with our big 3 when we were top 25? They will win some more they shouldn't have, and they will lose some they should win. They might not make the tournament but the future is still bright.
Calling a bunch of 19-22 year olds an embarrassing team after one loss. Why don't you say how much heart these guys have next week and how amazingly they compete when have a close game against a top 25 teams. Stop being so emotional.
+1
I can't believe the highs and lows most of you go through - all depending on the results of a group of 18-22's playing basketball.
I wonder if Cinncy (lost to 1-4 Seton Hall and 2-4 St. John's) fans are ready to jump off a cliff also............
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 20, 2010, 11:37:02 PM
Dear God! is there really 25+ topics about this loss. Yes, it was a huge loss, but they happen. Didn't we lose to teams like Dayton with our big 3 when we were top 25? They will win some more they shouldn't have, and they will lose some they should win. They might not make the tournament but the future is still bright.
Calling a bunch of 19-22 year olds an embarrassing team after one loss. Why don't you say how much heart these guys have next week and how amazingly they compete when have a close game against a top 25 teams. Stop being so emotional.
Amen Brother.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on January 20, 2010, 11:37:02 PMWhy don't you say how much heart these guys have next week and how amazingly they compete when have a close game against a top 25 teams. Stop being so emotional.
Never gonna happen. When we compete against top 25 teams and come up short, the same people who are still whining about last night's game are just going to nit pick how we failed, not how well we played and competed in a game that no one expected us to show up for.
Embarrassing- NO
Heartbreaking- YES
However, its not the end of the world.
Big Question: Is Marquette losing at Depaul worst than UW losing at UW-GB?????
This one is bad, and embarrassing. It is not the worst loss since the Deane era by a long shot.
Just off the top of my head, it is not worse than being undefeated and ranked eighth in the country and losing to a South Florida team that had only two conference wins at that point (both against DePaul of course). It is also not worse than being ranked ninth in the country and losing to North Dakota State AT HOME.
There seems to be one of these every year. Move on and get ready for Saturday.
Quote from: cirella09 on January 21, 2010, 08:51:58 AM
Embarrassing- NO
Heartbreaking- YES
However, its not the end of the world.
Big Question: Is Marquette losing at Depaul worst than UW losing at UW-GB?????
Yes. UWGB would beat DePaul probably 9/10 times
Quote from: MUsoxfan on January 21, 2010, 10:43:51 AM
Yes. UWGB would beat DePaul probably 9/10 times
So would Marquette, last night was the 1 time we wouldn't beat DePaul.
It's the only one of the ten that's in the record books, though.
Quote from: lurch91 on January 21, 2010, 10:48:07 AM
So would Marquette, last night was the 1 time we wouldn't beat DePaul.
It's unacceptable. This team is mentally weak and it doesn't appear to be changing anytime soon. That comes from the coach
Quote from: MUsoxfan on January 21, 2010, 10:52:30 AM
This team is mentally weak
LOL! Please tell me you're joking. The play six, maybe seven guys and in most of their losses, they have taken a Top 10 team to the wire. Mentally weak!?!?!? Get clue, dude.
I do think that they are afraid to be shooting free throws with the game on the line ... Butler, DJO and now Lazar and Cubes. We need to find someone that wants to take those shots. I thought it would be Lazar and I thought that Cubes was a good choice after Lazar. I don't think any of them want to be on the line when the game is on the line. Yes, there were other issues but free throws would've salvaged the game.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on January 21, 2010, 10:58:27 AM
LOL! Please tell me you're joking. The play six, maybe seven guys and in most of their losses, they have taken a Top 10 team to the wire. Mentally weak!?!?!? Get clue, dude.
Most teams play about seven guys, so that is nothing unusual. But failing to finish games is getting into their heads. It becomes a habit and they start to expect it just like we do. Free throws are 90% mental in those situations.
Quote from: Jacks DC on January 21, 2010, 11:07:25 AM
Most teams play about seven guys, so that is nothing unusual. But failing to finish games is getting into their heads. It becomes a habit and they start to expect it just like we do.
Which one of the players or coaches told you that?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on January 21, 2010, 10:58:27 AM
LOL! Please tell me you're joking. The play six, maybe seven guys and in most of their losses, they have taken a Top 10 team to the wire. Mentally weak!?!?!? Get clue, dude.
Florida St -> Up 17 in the 2nd half. Up with a minute to go. Loss. Can't make free throws
West Virginia -> Up 5 with a minute to go. Loss. Can't make free throws
Villanova (H) -> Up with a minute to go. Loss. Can't make free throws
DePaul -> Never trailed to, but never stomped on one of the worst teams in D1 when they had the chance. Led the game until the last second, but found a way to lose. Among other things....can't make free throws.
Funny thing about Marquette is that they have little difficulty making these free throws until there's only a couple minutes left. When the pressure is on, they turn it off. It seems to be the story of the year thus far and it tells me a lot about this team.
Quote from: MUrugger on January 20, 2010, 11:48:10 PM
For the shoulda, coulda, woulda crowd there was a Buycks 3 at the end of the first half that sure looked good but was waved off.
It wasn't.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on January 21, 2010, 11:08:50 AM
Which one of the players or coaches told you that?
Read Jimmy Butler's comments about missed free throws after the Florida State loss.
Quote from: Jacks DC on January 21, 2010, 11:18:06 AM
Read Jimmy Butler's comments about missed free throws after the Florida State loss.
Not sure exactly what comments you're talking about, but he certainly did look mentally weak when he hit 2 straight to seal the G'town win.
I agree w most of the comments...Embarrassing Effort!
Very sad...Chicago MU fans lefts their jobs early and lost precious time w their families to attend this game.
Horrible effort all around.
DePaul played very well...the blue demons deserved the victory last night.
Once again, these guys need to MAN UP and look in the mirror.
Quote from: soloWarrior on January 21, 2010, 11:59:00 AM
I agree w most of the comments...Embarrassing Effort!
Very sad...Chicago MU fans lefts their jobs early and lost precious time w their families to attend this game.
Horrible effort all around.
DePaul played very well...the blue demons deserved the victory last night.
Once again, these guys need to MAN UP and look in the mirror.
Ah...the "MAN UP" cliche makes an appearance. Better late than never I guess.
Quote from: soloWarrior on January 21, 2010, 11:59:00 AM
I agree w most of the comments...Embarrassing Effort!
Very sad...Chicago MU fans lefts their jobs early and lost precious time w their families to attend this game.
Horrible effort all around.
DePaul played very well...the blue demons deserved the victory last night.
Once again, these guys need to MAN UP and look in the mirror.
I think for your family it may have been a blessing. It's one bad loss. Some of you need to get over it. On the whole, this team like most MU teams since KO arrived has competed hard night in and night out this season. We may have screwed the pooch on NCAAs but who knows, right now it's ONE really bad loss. I'm more interested in how we respond.
And what does it mean "once again they need to man up" Did they need to man up after winning 2 of 3 in Florida? Did they need to man up after beating GT? Or beating PC by 30? Honestly, get over it.
The vile on the board over one loss is unreal. This team and this coach had big question marks after Georgetown and they have big question marks now. A little perspective could help.
-Lens
To Man Up, is to act like a man and not a child, to take responsibility for one's actions. The team played poorly and they deserved the Loss last night. I just hope they look in the mirror and understand that concept. The effort wasn't there last night, the guys lollygagged around.
If the team played hard and lost every game for the rest of the season...that's acceptable...the team is giving full effort. Last night, however, was 40 minutes of zero effort.
We've botched a few second halfs this season because of poor effort. These guys are young, it's not the end of the world. I understand that. They'll get it together, but last night was embarrassing.
Actually, we have botched most of our second halves this year because of poor execution...not poor effort. In fact I would say that against teams like Nova, WVU and Georgetown, the only reason we were in those games was because of extreme effort.
This game and the NC State game were the only ones I think where the effort was poor.
Quote from: MUsoxfan on January 21, 2010, 11:14:10 AM
Florida St -> Up 17 in the 2nd half. Up with a minute to go. Loss. Can't make free throws
West Virginia -> Up 5 with a minute to go. Loss. Can't make free throws
Villanova (H) -> Up with a minute to go. Loss. Can't make free throws
DePaul -> Never trailed to, but never stomped on one of the worst teams in D1 when they had the chance. Led the game until the last second, but found a way to lose. Among other things....can't make free throws.
Funny thing about Marquette is that they have little difficulty making these free throws until there's only a couple minutes left. When the pressure is on, they turn it off. It seems to be the story of the year thus far and it tells me a lot about this team.
The origins of the "Practice Free Throws" Narrative
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/269/year/2010/marquette-golden-eagles
For a team that shot .741 from the line and .413 from 3 as a team. Yeah, that practicing free throws theme was stupid.
Funny looking through this thread almost feels exactly the same as all that is being said today
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Quote from: bradley center bat on January 21, 2016, 02:28:01 PM
Effort wasn't the problem last night.
Look at date comments from 2010!!
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on January 20, 2010, 10:21:36 PM
Inability to make a free throw? How about inability to get a field goal in the final three minutes....AGAIN!
Effing pathetic.
The worst thing is that this is a benefit-of-the-doubt loss. Meaning, no matter what happens from here out, we now have this loss on our resume and it's gonna be tough to find a competing BCS-conference team with a worse one than this.
WHAT? There are plenty of BCS conference teams with losses worse than this. Wisconsin lost to Western Illinois, expected RPI of 251. DePaul's expected RPI is 169.
There are lots of examples just on our schedule alone. Arizona State lost to Sacramento State, for example.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2016, 03:09:53 PM
WHAT? There are plenty of BCS conference teams with losses worse than this. Wisconsin lost to Western Illinois, expected RPI of 251. DePaul's expected RPI is 169.
There are lots of examples just on our schedule alone. Arizona State lost to Sacramento State, for example.
BCS has been gone for two tears, now. It's now the Automonous Five.
Quote from: bradley center bat on January 21, 2016, 03:26:30 PM
BCS has been gone for two tears, now. It's now the Automonous Five.
Power 5, A5, understood....I was responding directly to the post and quoting his usage.
Quote from: MUsoxfan on January 21, 2010, 10:43:51 AM
Yes. UWGB would beat DePaul probably 9/10 times
UWGB 147
DePaul 149
They would go 50-50 against each other statistically speaking
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 21, 2016, 03:31:55 PM
Power 5, A5, understood....I was responding directly to the post and quoting his usage.
Directly to the post from SIX years ago.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on January 21, 2016, 03:36:19 PM
Directly to the post from SIX years ago.
LOL. I didn't look at the dates. That's awesome.
I'm not the least bit embarrassed. I wore my MU sweatshirt out in public all day. It's college basketball; it isn't life.
Go Warriors!
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2016, 07:48:23 PM
I'm not the least bit embarrassed. I wore my MU sweatshirt out in public all day. It's college basketball; it isn't life.
Go Warriors!
You remember that you wore your sweatshirt out in public after MU's 2010 loss to DePaul? Man, you're good. (Hint, check the date on the OP)
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2016, 07:53:08 PM
You remember that you wore your sweatshirt out in public after MU's 2010 loss to DePaul? Man, you're good. (Hint, check the date on the OP)
D'oh!
No ... that was too embarrassing! ;D