Interesting exchange from the TV show this week, based on this I have to think we'll see him tomorrow night-
Dennis: Junior Cadougan; his progress, and is there a chance he'll play this season?
Buzz: His progress has been outstanding, Tood Smith and Ernest Eugene have done a phenomenal job with his commitment, but Junior has earned every bit of it. He's come back ahead of schedule from start to finish. He was released to start practicing this past week, did really well, he's continued to get better. He's been doing individual workouts every day, he's been lifting every day. Then he was able to add practice to that.
Now he's only able to practice a certain number of minutes, similar to what DJO did, when DJO was hurt. Honestly, I have to pray for peace on what's best for Junior and what's best for the future of our program. Never want to do anything to an individual that's not fair for him and his career, but the balance is what's best for his career and whats best for our players as it relates to our program.
You can flip it both ways. As of today, could he help us in January? Maybe a little bit. Would he be able to help us in February? I believe in my heart that he could. Could he be the difference in 1 or 2 wins? I would say probably so.
As this season goes on, we're playing 4 guards; Mo, Cubbie, DJO, and Buycks. And at times we're playing those 4 guards at 3 positions because Jimmy's having to play inside. If you're able to add another high-major player to the mix, does that help your team? Absolutely. Does that mean that it's the right time? I don't know that yet. It'll depend on how he does today in practice, how he does tomorrow. But whatever the decision is going to be, we need to make a decision sooner rather than later, because that's only fair to everybody involved.
Dennis: Who makes the final call, you or Junior?
Buzz: I would say Junior has the final call. I've talked to his mom several times, I've talked to his AAU coach, his HS coach, Tony Benford is in Canada today (Monday) to talk to his mom. We don't want to do anything that's not fair, as I said. And I think it's something you have to think about, pray about, before you make a final decision of that nature.
Based on those comments, if not Wednesday then soon thereafter.
If I were to try to read between the lines, my feeling is that Buzz would prefer to redshirt him. The easy thing to do is say, go ahead, play now. We live in an instant gratification world, and we know that as 18 year old men - we all probably would choose to play, instead of to sit. The fact that Buzz has talked with AAU coach, Mom, and Tony is in Canada - leads me to believe that Buzz is doing everything he can to ensure that if this decision is made to let Junior play, and something goes wrong..he and MU can be absolved of any negligence. As he stated, ultimately the decision probably rests with Junior.
I agree with MUFan12. My sense is that Junior will be on the court very soon.
He's been cleared medically, so that will not prevent this from happening. Buzz stated he feels Junior would "absolutely" help. And, ultimately the final decision is Junior's. Do you really think Buzz would be discussing this had Junior ever said, "Hey coach, I'm coming along real well, but I don't want to push it. Let's just take it slow and shoot for next season."? Of course not. This is going to happen. So, we can stop anguishing over whether or not it's the right call and support Junior in HIS decision.
I think, through his hard work, Junior deserves the opportunity to compete with his teammates. Secondly, the seniors on this team deserve the opportunity to end their time at MU with the best chance of winning. Play to win in 2010 and worry about 2014 at a later date.
Another important thing to remember, and I have no idea if this is playing into Junior's decision, is a lot of guys don't want to and/or plan on being in college for 5 years. Junior may think 4 years at Marquette max, so why not play if he's physically able to do so?
It's a tough call, obviously. He's not a senior, he's a true freshman who I'm sure needs a learning curve just like any other freshman. Then again, he's the definition of a true point guard, where MU has kind of had to band-aid the position this year. Of course, Acker and Cooby have worked their tails off, but neither is a true PG.
MU desperately needed size (of course) two years ago, and Mbakwe took off the redshirt in mid-February against Pitt. That unfortunately didn't really work out, and he had little impact.
Will be interesting to see how it unfolds.
With Benford in Canada yesterday, this seems imminent. DePaul might be the game to start with. Wow - it's exciting and freightening at the same time - hope he is compeltely healed up.
Go Junior go!
Quote from: Daniel on January 20, 2010, 12:08:40 AM
With Benford in Canada yesterday, this seems imminent. DePaul might be the game to start with. Wow - it's exciting and freightening at the same time - hope he is compeltely healed up.
Go Junior go!
I hope he dropped by Mo Walker's house and said "hi" to his mom as well.
If he does play, I hope he is not hesitant when he runs. With that injury, it has to be in his mind that am I making the right decision, will it be OK when I cut, etc.
It appears the staff has conducted their homework and the decision will be Junior's. I say he plays, the kid has got to be biting at the bits to get in after sitting on the bench each game.
Quote from: Ners on January 19, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
If I were to try to read between the lines, my feeling is that Buzz would prefer to redshirt him. The easy thing to do is say, go ahead, play now. We live in an instant gratification world, and we know that as 18 year old men - we all probably would choose to play, instead of to sit. The fact that Buzz has talked with AAU coach, Mom, and Tony is in Canada - leads me to believe that Buzz is doing everything he can to ensure that if this decision is made to let Junior play, and something goes wrong..he and MU can be absolved of any negligence. As he stated, ultimately the decision probably rests with Junior.
I'm not sure I can read his motivations either way, but you are absolutely correct that he is covering his bases with everyone to make sure they are comfortable.
Just want to play some devils advocate...with the topic of team chemistry...I worry if he decides to play how it will affect Acker and Cubby. If his minutes cut dramatically into both of theirs...could their confidence drop? Effort? We need their 3 pt ability this season (and their assist/TO ratio). Buzz has asked them to step up BIG this year and they responded...where is the motivation as a senior to step up with the same enthusiasm for 10-12 less minutes when you were averaging mid to upper 20s?
Just some food for thought.
However, if Junior ends up coming in and being a significant threat for us and really breaking down some defenses...sure that would help us more...I just don't see it happening though. I was looking forward to next year when buzz could hand the ball to junior and say "this is your team" Not really something he can do at this point in the season...
Quote from: Ners on January 19, 2010, 11:43:17 PM
If I were to try to read between the lines, my feeling is that Buzz would prefer to redshirt him. The easy thing to do is say, go ahead, play now. We live in an instant gratification world, and we know that as 18 year old men - we all probably would choose to play, instead of to sit. The fact that Buzz has talked with AAU coach, Mom, and Tony is in Canada - leads me to believe that Buzz is doing everything he can to ensure that if this decision is made to let Junior play, and something goes wrong..he and MU can be absolved of any negligence. As he stated, ultimately the decision probably rests with Junior.
I don't think you can tell either. I personally would think he would want JC to play. He has a thin bench and IF he truly believes that JC would bring one or two wins, then he wants him to play. One or two wins could be the difference between a tourney appearance and NIT. I think no one should be worried on this board. I HIGHLY DOUBT Buzz would be considering this move if he saw the kid hobbling around on the court or struggling. Buzz said he looks good at practice and if the kid wants to play, game on.
I think Buzz is a true competitor and wants to "win now". He is not thinking of exceeding expectations this year by finishing 11th instead of 12th. I think they he thinks they can beat anybody (and isn't that what we want him to think).
He's dying to play Junior now. I think what he is praying this that his own desire to win now doesn't influence the people who together have to make this decision and lead them to go in a direction that ultimately hurts Junior or the team.
That said after reading this I'd be surprised if he doesn't play.
While Buzz has been incredibly unlucky with all the injuries in his first two years this would make for the second miracle recover, DJ being the first.
MU is down to eight healthy scholarship players and suddenly JC is ready to play after sustaining a purported season-ending injury? Can anyone say "Trevor Mbakwe?"
Quote from: 3Mer on January 20, 2010, 09:22:38 AM
MU is down to eight healthy scholarship players and suddenly JC is ready to play after sustaining a purported season-ending injury? Can anyone say "Trevor Mbakwe?"
Trevor Mbakwe.
Booggitty Booggiitty Booogggiitty.
Quote from: 3Mer on January 20, 2010, 09:22:38 AM
MU is down to eight healthy scholarship players and suddenly JC is ready to play after sustaining a purported season-ending injury? Can anyone say "Trevor Mbakwe?"
I can say it. I don't know how it is relevant, but I can say it.
I think there is waaaaay too much comparison to Mbakwe going on around here. Different team, different coach, different player, different situation.
From what I understand, Trevor was unhappy at MU during his year here, and in the back of his own mind, he wanted to play in an effort to transfer. Knowing what we do now, TC might have seen the writing on the wall, and figured it would be good to squeeze some PT out of Trevor before he left, since he wanted to play anyway.
By all accounts, Junior is happy at MU, and excited for a full career with the Warriors (granted, we don't know as much as we think, but there's really nothing out there to indicate otherwise).
Putting myself in Junior's shoes, you've just been cleared to play, your team is exceeding expectations and making a legitimate run at an NCAA bid. The rationale for wanting to play isn't sinister at all, you want to contribute and help reach that goal in any way you can.
Now, putting myself in Buzz' shoes, your blue chip recruit for the season has rehabbed well ahead of schedule, and has been cleared to play in mid-January when he was expected to be lost for the entire year. I would think, especially with the depleted roster, any help you can get would be great, especially said blue chip recruit.
I really don't think that there are any lines to read between here. The kid can play, wants to play (wouldn't you?), so he'll play.
Quote from: Ahoya06 on January 20, 2010, 10:16:08 AM
I think there is waaaaay too much comparison to Mbakwe going on around here. Different team, different coach, different player, different situation.
From what I understand, Trevor was unhappy at MU during his year here, and in the back of his own mind, he wanted to play in an effort to transfer. Knowing what we do now, TC might have seen the writing on the wall, and figured it would be good to squeeze some PT out of Trevor before he left, since he wanted to play anyway.
By all accounts, Junior is happy at MU, and excited for a full career with the Warriors (granted, we don't know as much as we think, but there's really nothing out there to indicate otherwise).
Putting myself in Junior's shoes, you've just been cleared to play, your team is exceeding expectations and making a legitimate run at an NCAA bid. The rationale for wanting to play isn't sinister at all, you want to contribute and help reach that goal in any way you can.
Now, putting myself in Buzz' shoes, your blue chip recruit for the season has rehabbed well ahead of schedule, and has been cleared to play in mid-January when he was expected to be lost for the entire year. I would think, especially with the depleted roster, any help you can get would be great, especially said blue chip recruit.
I really don't think that there are any lines to read between here. The kid can play, wants to play (wouldn't you?), so he'll play.
Honestly... reading this situation any differently is reading too much into the situation. The kid will play, and if there is a blow out tonight... we will see him tonight.
Is anyone else excited to see this kid play.... HONESTLY, when has Buzz spoken highly about a player and it not be the case. Buzz is saying this kid will help us win. I think he has seen some things that has impressed him and Buzz seems tough to impress. I'll be watching tonight.
MU and Buzz have a recent history of getting players back ahead of schedule. I don't know if that says something about our doctors, PT team or players but, if buzz thinks he can help win a game and is already letting him practice then he'll play him. I'd lay money on him being back in the next two games. We need some more dribble drive action against cuse.
I'm excited to see him this year as well. If we can get 10-15 minutes out of him even in his first couple of games that would be great. But obviously he wants to play or else Buzz and his staff wouldn't be going through all of the steps they are. Even though I haven't seen him play from what I've heard I think making the tourney is becoming more realistic.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on January 20, 2010, 10:30:27 AM
HONESTLY, when has Buzz spoken highly about a player and it not be the case. Buzz is saying this kid will help us win. I think he has seen some things that has impressed him and Buzz seems tough to impress. I'll be watching tonight.
Roseboro? I think Buzz called him the "hidden gem of the recruiting class."
Quote from: RawdogDX on January 20, 2010, 10:53:56 AM
MU and Buzz have a recent history of getting players back ahead of schedule. I don't know if that says something about our doctors, PT team or players but, if buzz thinks he can help win a game and is already letting him practice then he'll play him. I'd lay money on him being back in the next two games. We need some more dribble drive action against cuse.
The staff is an enigma. Players drop like flies, yet come back sooner than anticipated...
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 20, 2010, 11:15:34 AM
Roseboro? I think Buzz called him the "hidden gem of the recruiting class."
That's before he actually got on the court and played with the team. I have heard Buzz say some players are not ready to play.
yeah i hear that. but you didn't ask that. you just asked "HONESTLY, when has Buzz spoken highly about a player and it not be the case." That would be one instance.
Quote from: Ahoya06 on January 20, 2010, 11:19:29 AM
The staff is an enigma. Players drop like flies, yet come back sooner than anticipated...
I don't know if it's so much of an enigma as it is deliberately over-estimating recovery time. Yes, it sucks to have so many players get injured, but I think the medical staff is of the mindset of "plan for the worst, hope for the best" when it comes to determining the amount of time a player will be out. I would bet that with Junior, it was known back in September that he might be back by February, but to play it safe, they simply called it "season-ending."
Think about the psychological ramifications alone... if I'm a 19yo student-athlete in a new environment, sitting on the sidelines after 5 months when my doctor was optimistic and said I'd be back in 4, that would be a lot more to handle emotionally than being originally told I was out 7 months but now finding I'm ready to go in 5.
That being said, my guess is that Mbao is back on the court vs. USF.
Quote from: Benny B on January 20, 2010, 11:29:42 AM
I don't know if it's so much of an enigma as it is deliberately over-estimating recovery time. Yes, it sucks to have so many players get injured, but I think the medical staff is of the mindset of "plan for the worst, hope for the best" when it comes to determining the amount of time a player will be out. I would bet that with Junior, it was known back in September that he might be back by February, but to play it safe, they simply called it "season-ending."
Think about the psychological ramifications alone... if I'm a 19yo student-athlete in a new environment, sitting on the sidelines after 5 months when my doctor was optimistic and said I'd be back in 4, that would be a lot more to handle emotionally than being originally told I was out 7 months but now finding I'm ready to go in 5.
Yeah, now that i'm looking at it you may be right. When did the rupture occure? I see one web site that says 12 weeks and another that says 6 months at the most.
September 17th. At the time they were saying 4 to 6 months, which would mean he would normally have returned right about now at the earliest. Given that he has been praticing for a little bit, one could say he's ahead of schedule.
Buzz did say the other day, he has been ahead of schedule the entire time...whatever that means.
If they do plan to play him, they have two road games to work him in, which I would think would be preferrable to having him make his debut at the BC (not that its a terribly big deal).
Whether he intended it or not, Buzz has put a huge amount of presure on Cadougan to play.
He stated he thought it was likely that Cadougan would be worth one or two more wins.
This is the day after Lunardi--who historically has a pretty accurate view of who's in and who's out of the tourney--says we're one of the last four out.
Put two and two together--we're on the wrong side of the bubble, and have a currently inactive but medically eligible player who could give us 1 or 2 more wins--one or two more wins that would likely move us off the bubble into the tourney.
The biggest issue for Cadougan is not thinking about 2013-14. It is simply this: How does he face his teammates if he decides not to play and we miss the tourney by just one or two wins.
I cannot fathom being with my teammates waiting for the NCAA selections, learning that we were one of the last teams bumped off the bubble, and having to live with the thought that I caused us to miss the tourney because I wanted to save my eligibility for 2014.
Therefore, he plays.
Quote from: Marquette84 on January 20, 2010, 04:03:34 PM
Whether he intended it or not, Buzz has put a huge amount of presure on Cadougan to play.
He stated he thought it was likely that Cadougan would be worth one or two more wins.
This is the day after Lunardi--who historically has a pretty accurate view of who's in and who's out of the tourney--says we're one of the last four out.
My guess is that he had these conversations with Junior long before either the recent interview or Lunardi's projections - which I doubt Buzz even pays attention to because at this point they are rather irrelevant.
There's no chance he doesn't play this year. Otherwise, he either a) would never have been allowed to be on the bench, dressed. participating in warmups during a game or b) would never have said to Buzz that he's open to playing this year. If he's still a redshirt, I'm betting they would have talked about practicing only, and on a limited basis. If he's only a redshirt, there's no point in having him participate in drills at game speed. Logic dictates he plays. Tonight.
Quote from: Marquette84 on January 20, 2010, 04:03:34 PM
The biggest issue for Cadougan is not thinking about 2013-14. It is simply this: How does he face his teammates if he decides not to play and we miss the tourney by just one or two wins.
I cannot fathom being with my teammates waiting for the NCAA selections, learning that we were one of the last teams bumped off the bubble, and having to live with the thought that I caused us to miss the tourney because I wanted to save my eligibility for 2014.
That's
the biggest issue for Cadougan? Ridiculous.
I agree and logic and Buzz's style dictate that Junior said he wants to play. Otherwise, this is not out in public or a public issue.
So Junior wants to play. Now Buzz has to decide if everyone is on board (Junior's mom, AAU coach, etc) or at least informing them and letting them know what it going on. If Junior mom's says no - then it's back to talk to Junior and his mom as I bet Buzz wants them both on board.
Then Buzz has to decide the impact on the team. Will it be positive. Then, will Junior be helping himself and the team or hurting himself long run by using up a year..... I see this a neutral if he can play. The experience will benefit him for next year as long as he gets meaningful minutes this year. We will miss him in that 5th year we could have had him, but that is a long way off and maybe the experience this year offsets not having him for the 5th year. If he doesn't get a lot of minutes, then it was a waste of a year, of course.
This leaves the big question - will he hurt or help the team if he plays now. In my mind, he could cost us a game or two just as likely as he wins us a game or two. It isn't obvious that he helps us win a game or two at this time of season for a freshman coming in for his first D-1 ball games. Every minute he plays, if not as productive as Acker or Cubillian or DJO would have played, is a minute that could cost us a game even if we never know it.
I think Cadougan's contribution this season has less to do with being a net positive/negative vs. Acker or Cubillan, and more to do with being an insurance policy. More injuries are not out of the question. I'd say the odds of another significant injury before the end of the season are at least in the ball park of 50/50. If that happens MU is toast if Cadougan isn't ready to go. There just wouldn't be enough fouls to give, not enough time for "coachable moments" on the bench, and virtually no freedom to adjust the lineup around match-ups or off nights. They might be screwed even if Cadougan is available, but he at least gives them a chance of absorbing another injury or illness. And for him to be ready, it's probably best to get him a few minutes before the need is clear and present. Sometimes the difference between a bottom dweller and a bubble team is just risk management.
im thinkin' if were up big he gets a few minutes tonight.
out of the blue....just a prediction.
I also predict Joe Fulce will have a break out game.
*I am usually wrong with my predictions.
GO MU
I pray to sweet Jesus that he does not reinjure himself.