Youssoupha Mbao To Miss Several Weeks With Knee Injury
Freshman Youssoupha Mbao of the Marquette University men's basketball team is expected to miss up to six weeks with a right knee sprain, head coach Buzz Williams announced Tuesday afternoon.
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Surprising, but not a huge loss considering he is still developing and hasn't played too well all year.
I just looked into this, but he can still be a medical redshirt correct?
It states that if a player plays in less than 30% of the teams games, Yous has played 10 games. We have 30 games in the regular season and at least one in the Big East Tournament therefore he would have played in less than 30% of our games. Does anyone know if this will apply to Yous?
Examples:
Syracuse guard Eric Devendorf tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee during a game last December, and missed the remainder of the season. Because he had played in just 10 of Syracuse's 32 games, the Big East determined that Devendorf was eligible to apply for a medical redshirt. That request was granted in September, and as a result Devendorf is now classified as a junior athletically for the 2008-09 season.
Thanks it is not one of the seven players in the rotation. Mbao's inactivity hopefully will result in him being a couch potatoe and start putting on the pounds.
Well, good thing Cadougan can at least practice. Otherwise Buzz would have to hold a try out for a walk-on.
Quote from: damuts222 on January 19, 2010, 03:23:03 PM
I just looked into this, but he can still be a medical redshirt correct?
It states that if a player plays in less than 30% of the teams games, Yous has played 10 games. We have 30 games in the regular season and at least one in the Big East Tournament therefore he would have played in less than 30% of our games. Does anyone know if this will apply to Yous?
Examples:
Syracuse guard Eric Devendorf tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee during a game last December, and missed the remainder of the season. Because he had played in just 10 of Syracuse's 32 games, the Big East determined that Devendorf was eligible to apply for a medical redshirt. That request was granted in September, and as a result Devendorf is now classified as a junior athletically for the 2008-09 season.
No.
The other main part of the rule besides the 30% requirement is that any games you play must take place in the first half of the season. He's already played in what is considered the second half of the team's season so he's ineligible for a medical redshirt.
Quote from: damuts222 on January 19, 2010, 03:23:03 PM
I just looked into this, but he can still be a medical redshirt correct?
It states that if a player plays in less than 30% of the teams games, Yous has played 10 games. We have 30 games in the regular season and at least one in the Big East Tournament therefore he would have played in less than 30% of our games. Does anyone know if this will apply to Yous?
Examples:
Syracuse guard Eric Devendorf tore the anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee during a game last December, and missed the remainder of the season. Because he had played in just 10 of Syracuse's 32 games, the Big East determined that Devendorf was eligible to apply for a medical redshirt. That request was granted in September, and as a result Devendorf is now classified as a junior athletically for the 2008-09 season.
No. too late per NCAA rules.
QuoteNo.
The other main part of the rule besides the 30% requirement is that any games you play must take place in the first half of the season. He's already played in what is considered the second half of the team's season so he's ineligible for a medical redshirt.
Thanks
Quote from: bma725 on January 19, 2010, 03:30:06 PM
No.
The other main part of the rule besides the 30% requirement is that any games you play must take place in the first half of the season. He's already played in what is considered the second half of the team's season so he's ineligible for a medical redshirt.
Does that include the postseason or only regular season games? Mbao played in game 17 - if we play in 2 BE Tourney games and 2 NCAA/NIT games that gives us 34. If we get to 34 would he be eligible (if he does not play when he gets healthy)?
This is going to severely deplete our cheerleading bigs depth.
Quote from: bma725 on January 19, 2010, 03:30:06 PM
No.
The other main part of the rule besides the 30% requirement is that any games you play must take place in the first half of the season. He's already played in what is considered the second half of the team's season so he's ineligible for a medical redshirt.
Is the "half" determined by scheduled games, i.e. our "halfway point" occurred after the Georgetown game (game 15 of 30)? If so, talk about a tough break: he didn't play at Nova, so those 3 minutes of complete garbage time against Providence will be what prevents the redshirt. The NCAA should add an exemption for players averaging less than .2 points per game.
Astounding. Buzz has recruited 3 legitimate centers. One has the feet of Bill Walton but not the footwork. One has lots of heart, but it is a bad one. One looks like a refugee from Close Encounters of the Third Kind and manages to miss out on a medical redshirt by two games. Snakebit. Spinal Tap drummers.
While they play two different positions, and Mbao never saw alot of time, could this influence the decesion to bring Junior back?
A thin roster gets thinner.
Quote from: copious1218 on January 19, 2010, 03:40:48 PM
Does that include the postseason or only regular season games? Mbao played in game 17 - if we play in 2 BE Tourney games and 2 NCAA/NIT games that gives us 34. If we get to 34 would he be eligible (if he does not play when he gets healthy)?
It includes post season, but tournaments are counted as one game regardless of how many you actually play.
So the Big East Tournament, whether you play 1 game or play 4 games, counts as 1. The NCAA/NIT tournament, whether you play 1 or play 6, counts as 1 game. Essentially it's the NCAA's way of being fair to teams that aren't good enough to qualify for the post season.
That means on top of the 30 regular season games, MU has 2 additional games in the eyes of the NCAA, bringing the total to 32. Since he played in game #17 against Providence, he doesn't meet that qualification.
Quote from: bma725 on January 19, 2010, 04:16:00 PM
It includes post season, but tournaments are counted as one game regardless of how many you actually play.
So the Big East Tournament, whether you play 1 game or play 4 games, counts as 1. The NCAA/NIT tournament, whether you play 1 or play 6, counts as 1 game. Essentially it's the NCAA's way of being fair to teams that aren't good enough to qualify for the post season.
That means on top of the 30 regular season games, MU has 2 additional games in the eyes of the NCAA, bringing the total to 32. Since he played in game #17 against Providence, he doesn't meet that qualification.
I often consider BMA the final word on issues, but your post raises the following question: Do the Xavier, Michigan and Florida State games also count as 1 game?
If so, does that mean that Mbao was hurt in the 15th game of a possible 30? Would that make it the first half of the season?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 19, 2010, 04:37:26 PM
I often consider BMA the final word on issues, but your post raises the following question: Do the Xavier, Michigan and Florida State games also count as 1 game?
If so, does that mean that Mbao was hurt in the 15th game of a possible 30? Would that make it the first half of the season?
That tourney wasn't single elimination so I would say no, since we were guaranteed a 2nd (and 3rd) game. I'm deferring to BMA though.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on January 19, 2010, 04:39:57 PM
That tourney wasn't single elimination so I would say no, since we were guaranteed a 2nd (and 3rd) game. I'm deferring to BMA though.
I have a vague memory of hearing once that in-season tournaments count as only one game (effectively enabling teams to schedule more than the maximum number of allowed games in a season). I could be wrong. I hope BMA will enlighten us.
I believe the preseason tournaments count as 1 game against the total number of games you are allowed...instead of the counting the 3 games you actually play.
Knee injury sidelines Mbao
Freshman center Youssoupha Mbao will miss up to six weeks after suffering a right-knee sprain in workouts, Marquette University announced on Tuesday.
"We are disappointed in the MRI results for Yous,” coach Buzz Williams said in a statement released by the school.
“His minutes do not reflect it, but he has grown exponentially as a player and as a teammate since he has been here. As always, we will make sure he receives the absolute best care possible while he begins his rehab."
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/82111012.html
Wow - what an unreal year. The sad part too is that Buzz said, "As always.. . ."
Get better Yous!
What is with the injury bug and this team???? ?-(
"We are disappointed in the MRI results" sounds weird. Like it's the MRI's fault.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 19, 2010, 04:45:08 PM
I believe the preseason tournaments count as 1 game against the total number of games you are allowed...instead of the counting the 3 games you actually play.
This is correct.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on January 19, 2010, 05:22:29 PM
"We are disappointed in the MRI results" sounds weird. Like it's the MRI's fault.
Buzz also stated that, "The MRI has a negative margin, relative to the type of results we need. Hes still my guy though, and hes even a better machine off the court, than he is on, and that is what is imporant. I'm more concerned with the type of machine he becomes 10-15 years from now. That is what is important."
Quote from: GOMU1104 on January 19, 2010, 05:36:54 PM
Buzz also stated that, "The MRI has a negative margin, relative to the type of results we need. Hes still my guy though, and hes even a better machine off the court, than he is on, and that is what is imporant. I'm more concerned with the type of machine he becomes 10-15 years from now. That is what is important."
LOL, GoMu! THAT was funny :)
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 19, 2010, 04:37:26 PM
I often consider BMA the final word on issues, but your post raises the following question: Do the Xavier, Michigan and Florida State games also count as 1 game?
If so, does that mean that Mbao was hurt in the 15th game of a possible 30? Would that make it the first half of the season?
Interesting. I wonder if Buzz wants him to redshirt? My thought/hope is that we'll be recruiting better bigs every year that Buzz shapes MU into his team, with his recruits. Would he not have redshirted Yous to start the season if he wanted him around for five years. It seems obvious that he is a huge project.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 19, 2010, 04:37:26 PM
I often consider BMA the final word on issues, but your post raises the following question: Do the Xavier, Michigan and Florida State games also count as 1 game?
If so, does that mean that Mbao was hurt in the 15th game of a possible 30? Would that make it the first half of the season?
I just re-read the whole section on medical hardship in the rule book and after I finished banging my head against the wall, I'm not completely sure but I'm leaning towards no.
To answer your question directly, yes and no and perhaps maybe.
Here's the thing. Those games are counted as 1 total game so that teams are in compliance with the maximum participation rule. Teams are allowed 29 games when not playing a pre-season tournament and 27 games when the additional games are part of an approved exempt tournament.
Then it gets murky. When doing the calculation for the 30% participation clause, they expressly state that exempt games are counted individually, rather than as one game. However, they state no such thing when it comes to halves of the season. Rather they do it based upon scheduled contests, which to me would mean that they are factoring in all games regardless of whether or not they are considered exempt....but it doesn't expressly say that and no further clarification is provided.
Additionally, and this is part I haven't mentioned before, part of the qualification for a Medical Hardship Season of Competition Waiver(that's the actual name) is that the medical issue has to incapacitate you from playing the remainder of the season. Based on what we've seen so far, that wouldn't seem to be the case for Yous. He's out for up to 6 weeks according to Rosiak, which conservatively puts his return some time in early March....i.e. before the end of the regular season and definitely before the BET.
If anyone out there feels like reading those sections of the rule book and trying to explain it better, go right ahead.
Quote from: LovinLazar on January 19, 2010, 05:20:22 PM
What is with the injury bug and this team???? ?-(
Yeah what is with all these injuries is Buzz doing something wrong? Did most of these injuries happen in practice..um...maybe they made the AL a little too slippery. ?-(
Quote from: bma725 on January 19, 2010, 06:30:34 PM
I just re-read the whole section on medical hardship in the rule book and after I finished banging my head against the wall, I'm not completely sure but I'm leaning towards no.
To answer your question directly, yes and no and perhaps maybe.
Thanks, BMA. As usual, you've gone beyond the call of duty. If it's a close call, it might be worth fighting for the extra year and see what happens.
But, above all, I hope Yous is OK and recovers fully.
Buzz may want to get another opinion from that hotshot ortho doc in Indy who's on top of Crean's Christmas list. I'm certain the MRI in Milwaukee just sucks compared to the world-class care Mbao could have received as an IU athlete.
First off, I enjoy watching Yous play and best of luck to a speedy recovery for the young man.
Secondly, thanks for your input BMA. Much appreciated. Can someone post a link to the specific section in the rule book that deals with medical hardships? I just spent way too much time googling for it, and had no luck.
Finally, who is this Gwaki loser? What a dumb thing to say following an injury. If/when Gwaki suffers a setback in his life, I'd be first in line to say 'not a huge loss', but I'm not that big an a-hole.
I'm not going to dig THAT deep because it's not the end of the world, but... I wonder two things:
1) if there has ever been an exception made, or if one can be made, for a player student-athletes that strays from the rules we've been looking at, and
2) whether the fact a player was suspended for certain games figures into the equation ever... for better or for worse.
Quote from: 94Warrior on January 19, 2010, 09:27:31 PM
Secondly, thanks for your input BMA. Much appreciated. Can someone post a link to the specific section in the rule book that deals with medical hardships? I just spent way too much time googling for it, and had no luck.
Unfortunately the rule book isn't linkable that way, you have to load the whole 431 page Division 1 rule book. You can download the PDF file here:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/legislation+and+governance/rules+and+bylaws
The hardship rules are under section 14, the maximum competition exemptions are under section 17.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 19, 2010, 10:01:19 PM
I'm not going to dig THAT deep because it's not the end of the world, but... I wonder two things:
1) if there has ever been an exception made, or if one can be made, for a player student-athletes that strays from the rules we've been looking at, and
2) whether the fact a player was suspended for certain games figures into the equation ever... for better or for worse.
Can't answer the first part, but the second part has come up before in terms of regular redshirts. If the NCAA grants you a redshirt year during a year you were supposed to serve a suspension, they have in the past decided that the suspension can't count during the redshirt year and then enforced the suspension again the following year.
So if we could get an exemption:
Pros- A 5th year developed big man 2013-14 with a nice recruiting class and hopefully some solid seniors.
Cons-Misses this year's tourney, Misses start of next season, could be a waste of scholie in 2013-2014.
I would lean towards redshirting him if possible, but tough call.
In Devendorf's case I do believe the "half of the season" was a pre-determined set date for all NCAA teams (ie Jan. 10), and not a specific date when each team played it's 16th or 17th game.
The BigEast tourney counts as one game and neither the NCAA or NIT tourneys factor in as a game(s).
In Syracuse's case they played 32 games that season. 30% of 32 is 9.6 which was rounded up to 10. Devendorf played in 10 games in the first half of the season and was granted a medical redshirt a few months after the season ended.