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http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20100110-us_nbc_leno (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20100110-us_nbc_leno)

Local affiliates were upset that Leno's show was leading fewer viewers into their late news programs, costing them significant advertising revenue. NBC said about one-third of the affiliates were really hurt by the Leno show, although they wern't clear on how many said they might pre-empt his show.

Leno will return to the 11:35 EST time slot and Conan's show will begin at 12:05 EST. Conan reportedly has a contract that guarantees him a multimillion-dollar payment if his show is moved later than 12:05 EST.

Jay Leno is a hack and his funniest "bits" are complete rip-offs from the Howard Stern show...

Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 11, 2010, 11:57:45 AM
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20100110-us_nbc_leno (http://tv.yahoo.com/news/article/tv-news.en.ap.org/tv-news.en.ap.org-20100110-us_nbc_leno)

Local affiliates were upset that Leno's show was leading fewer viewers into their late news programs, costing them significant advertising revenue. NBC said about one-third of the affiliates were really hurt by the Leno show, although they wern't clear on how many said they might pre-empt his show.

Leno will return to the 11:35 EST time slot and Conan's show will begin at 12:05 EST. Conan reportedly has a contract that guarantees him a multimillion-dollar payment if his show is moved later than 12:05 EST.

It was also found that people were not only avoiding that show, but they were using the time-slot to catch up on the other shows that they DVR'd...

He did steal Stuttering John....

I like both of them but prefer Conan by far.  I don't understand why Conan gets punished for Leno's poor ratings.  The blame has to fall on NBC who thought it would be a good idea to put Leno against legit shows on other networks.

Quote from: LancesOtherNut on January 11, 2010, 12:02:23 PM
Jay Leno is a hack and his funniest "bits" are complete rip-offs from the Howard Stern show...

He is the PG Stern.  And frankly, that is what the older generation want from their late night host.

Conan was funnier later, but he had to "Vanilla" up his show too much, IMO.

I think it was Seth Myers that quipped on SNL that NBC is in negotiations to bring Jay back to 11:35 EST, but Conan will still be the host of the Tonight Show.  Unfortunately it will not be tonight.

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 11, 2010, 12:33:56 PM
He is the PG Stern.  And frankly, that is what the older generation want from their late night host.

Conan was funnier later, but he had to "Vanilla" up his show too much, IMO.

This.


The important question now is, what happens to Fallon?

He moves back a half hour as well.

Quote from: IAmMarquette on January 11, 2010, 12:43:17 PM
This.


The important question now is, what happens to Fallon?

Please, the real question is what does Carson Daly think of all of this?

Quote from: bma725 on January 11, 2010, 12:58:42 PM
Please, the real question is what does Carson Daly think of all of this?

Carson Daly is now the host of an early morning show.

Bring back either Chevy Chase, Joan Rivers, or The Magic Hour.

If I were NBC, I would cut Leno loose.  This plan they've hatched up for a 30 minute show is dumber than the idea of moving Leno to 9:00 was.

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 11, 2010, 01:44:07 PM
If I were NBC, I would cut Leno loose.  This plan they've hatched up for a 30 minute show is dumber than the idea of moving Leno to 9:00 was.

It's not the plan that they'd like, but it forces Conan's hand in a way that may save them money and ratings.  It's obvious the concerns about Conan's act playing at 10:30 were valid.  They feel they made two mistakes, by giving one show to Conan, and creating one at 9:00 for Leno.  They consider Leno more marketable at 10:30, and don't mind if Conan moves to a competitor.  That to me means that he's really tanking in that slot.

Quote from: larrym on January 11, 2010, 01:55:07 PM
It's not the plan that they'd like, but it forces Conan's hand in a way that may save them money and ratings. 

I've heard that if Conan walks right now, he gets $80M over four years.  Yeah that can be mitigated if he goes elsewhere, but I know if that were me, I would go on a nice hiatus.

Conan's statement today.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=xprnw.20100112.LA36584&show_article=1

ah, a real journalist, Andrew Brietbart

Can't argue with anything Conan said.  He should go to FOX for $1 seeing as NBC has to pay the difference in contract.

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 12, 2010, 03:54:16 PM
ah, a real journalist, Andrew Brietbart

Yes, I prefer the other "real" ones....especially at MSNBC. 

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 12, 2010, 03:54:16 PM
ah, a real journalist, Andrew Brietbart

I don't think posting an open letter to the media has anything to do with journalism, no matter who is the source.  There was no commentary at all, just the letter. Any of these suit your taste?

http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/conan-o-brien-quits-tonight-show--911
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/01/conan-obrien-says-he-wont-participate-in-the-destruction-of-the-tonight-show.html
http://www.buzzsugar.com/7015673

Jay jokes about the issue.

http://widgets.nbc.com/o/4727a250e66f9723/4b4cf17f781749f4/4741e3c5156499a7/f0825145/-cpid/5454baa7d93959ec

Hards is upset that Breitbart isn't a raving liberal nutcase, that's all.  He's probably spent the day crying and cursing over the news of Sarah P hooking up with Fox News Channel.

I couldn't care less about any of these major network clowns.  Thankfully I haven't seen Leno for years, but I'm sure the only good things about his 'show' were Headlines and having the homeboy Jim Norton on.  

WELCOME TO RED EYE!!

Hards_Alumni... if crabbiness were mittens, children would put their fists in him.

St. Paul, there is a reason he doesn't like Brietbart....a distinct reason.  I D E O L O G Y



By the way, I relayed your Barkley story today to a good friend of mine that is tight with Charles.  His response..."yeah, that's definitely Charles and that story can be told by probably  1000's of students in cities around the country because the man enjoys a party"

Great story, enjoyed it.

Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on January 12, 2010, 02:39:34 PM
Conan's statement today.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=xprnw.20100112.LA36584&show_article=1

Very well written.  That Madison Harvard education paid off!

lol you guys slay me!

dance monkeys, dance!

http://tv.gawker.com/5446744/late-night-wars-conan-obrien-soldiers-on-with-nbcjay-leno+bashing-monologue-kimmel-letterman-ferguson-join-in-leno-avoids

Conan has been ripping NBC and Leno apart and it is awesome!  The quotes below don't include Tuesday night where he was even more pissed.

Conan's Jabs at NBC and Leno:
- [Audience applauding] "Ladies and gentlemen, please! You keep that up and this monologue won't start until 12:05."

- "We've got a great show for you tonight. I have no idea what time it will air, but it's gonna be a great show, let me promise you that."

- "When I got to work this morning, there was a 1923 Duesenberg parked in my spot."

- "Good evening, everybody. I'm Conan O'Brien, the new host of Last Call with Carson Daly."

- "This weekend, a 6.5 earthquake hit California... the earthquake was so powerful, it knocked Jay Leno's show from 10:00 to 11:35." [Then mocks Leno's voice.]

-"Everybody now wants to know what my plans are... all I can say is I plan to continue putting on a great show night after night, while stealing as many office supplies as humanly possible. I'm gonna rob this place blind."

-"NBC announced they plan to lose $200 million on the Winter Olympics next month. Folks, is it just me, or is that story hilarious?"

Conan Gave His Future Options Of:
- Star in a Lifetime original movie about a woman trapped in an abusive relationship with her network.

- Move to FOX and follow their hit "24" with a new show called "24:05."

- Convince NBC to let me keep this time slot if I can gain 10 pounds of chin.

- Bring sanity back to NBC by hiring Gary Busey as head of programming.

- Leave television altogether, and work in a classier business with better people, like hardcore porn.

Conan's monologue from Monday night is a must see.  I can't seem to find a link for it right now, but he took some amazing shots at NBC and a few at Leno.  My favorite line from when he was running through options for his future was "Leave TV and go into a classier industry with better people...like hard core porn.

Quote from: JWags85 on January 13, 2010, 11:52:39 AM
Conan's monologue from Monday night is a must see.  I can't seem to find a link for it right now, but he took some amazing shots at NBC and a few at Leno.  My favorite line from when he was running through options for his future was "Leave TV and go into a classier industry with better people...like hard core porn.

Watch Tuesday's.  It only got better.

Neither one is funny enough to make me turn away from Letterman, on the occasions I am up that late.   

Both Leno and O'Brien are whiners.

You know what would have stopped this musical chair time-slot stuff?

If their shows were more interesting, more funny, so that more people would actually watch.

It's not like they don't have complete control over the content of their shows, and nearly unlimited funds and support.

Here they are whining about NBC execs .. No one to blame but themselves.   

NBC is doing what they have to: maximize revenue.  Probably was a mistake to remove Leno from 10:30.  Well, that ship sailed, and now they are trying to undo the mistake.  Oh, the horrors.

Until Conan un-retires the masturbating bear he is dead to me.

EDIT:  Or the coked-out werewolf...

 Leno needs to give it up. Conan should just have a lever for Leno jokes gone bad, just like he had a lever for Walker Texas Ranger.

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 13, 2010, 03:22:10 PM
Both Leno and O'Brien are whiners.

You know what would have stopped this musical chair time-slot stuff?

If their shows were more interesting, more funny, so that more people would actually watch.

It's not like they don't have complete control over the content of their shows, and nearly unlimited funds and support.

Here they are whining about NBC execs .. No one to blame but themselves.   

NBC is doing what they have to: maximize revenue.  Probably was a mistake to remove Leno from 10:30.  Well, that ship sailed, and now they are trying to undo the mistake.  Oh, the horrors.

No.  What they should have done is never started the Jay Leno show.  Who wants to watch back to back "Late Night" shows?  Jay always had lead in shows and Conan has gotten none.  It is a crock.

As I said "Probably was a mistake to remove Leno from 10:30."  Clearly the wrong word: Definitely.

 Leno is like Brett Favre    :-[

   Should I retire?? Yes

Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 13, 2010, 03:49:44 PM
As I said "Probably was a mistake to remove Leno from 10:30."  Clearly the wrong word: Definitely.

It's funny that NBC created the plan to move Conan to the Tonight Show years ago to avoid all of the drama that happened between Leno and Letterman when Carson retired.  Now they've even ended up with more drama, if that's even possible.

Neither Letterman or Conan were as funny when they moved to 10:30, although Conan is at least tolerable.  Leno at 9:00 was hurt by the guest boycotts from stars on the other networks.  There's only so much comedy you can do daily when you have an hour show with only one guest.  The 10:30 slot was perfect for him.  

However I think Conan hit on something in his letter yesterday.  This could be the beginning of the end of The Tonight Show.  Leno's audience won't be the same as before because there will be some hard feelings from some of the public to all of this.  And with Leno being a workaholic and having no guest host, who know who they'll eventually get to replace him when he finally does quit.  (Hopefully not Jimmy Fallon.)  Meanwhile Conan will go to Fox (most likely) and splinter the audience even more. On top of all that, the coveted demographic is watching "The Colbert Report" for that first half hour anyways.  The Tonight Show is no longer the institution it once was, and it's about to get worse because of all this.

Quote from: larrym on January 13, 2010, 04:13:03 PM
On top of all that, the coveted demographic is watching "The Colbert Report" for that first half hour anyways.  The Tonight Show is no longer the institution it once was, and it's about to get worse because of all this.

I know Conan puts a lot of stock in The Tonight Show's legacy but I would love to see him following Stewart and Colbert.  Great lead in for his demographic and he could get back some of the edginess he lost when he switched time slots by going to cable.

Quote from: tower912 on January 13, 2010, 12:23:18 PM
Neither one is funny enough to make me turn away from Letterman, on the occasions I am up that late.   

Letterman jumped the shark a decade ago.....when he wasn't jumping everything else in site at the same time.  What a cranky bitch he's become.

Having watched Letterman and suffered through Leno when forced, the cranky bitch is funnier on his worst day than Leno on his best.    Cranky bitch?   Like when someone mentions Crean?

Quote from: tower912 on January 13, 2010, 05:21:08 PM
Having watched Letterman and suffered through Leno when forced, the cranky bitch is funnier on his worst day than Leno on his best.    Cranky bitch?   Like when someone mentions Crean?

Anyone is funnier than Leno.  Letterman is just an old, unfunny bitch with an elitiist prick attitude that has the typical DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO power trip.  No wonder he's a ...... (can't say it but you know what I'm going to say)   ;D

No Kimmel love here?  His show last night, in full on Leno makeup was HILARIOUS!

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 13, 2010, 04:57:49 PM
Letterman jumped the shark a decade ago.....when he wasn't jumping everything else in site at the same time.  What a cranky bitch he's become.

To me, Letterman goes in cycles.  I stopped watching him when Colbert came around, but when Colbert is a repeat, I generally watch Letterman...sometimes its painful...sometimes its brilliant.

Quote from: reinko on January 13, 2010, 08:50:41 PM
No Kimmel love here?  His show last night, in full on Leno makeup was HILARIOUS!

I don't watch Kimmel much but he was awesome last night! I didn't expect him to continue his Leno bit through the entire show.  Also the fact that they played Leno's theme after every joke was great. 

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 13, 2010, 06:20:51 PM
Anyone is funnier than Leno.  Letterman is just an old, unfunny bitch with an elitiist prick attitude that has the typical DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO power trip.  No wonder he's a ...... (can't say it but you know what I'm going to say)   ;D

I think this is the harshest post I have ever read by you Chicos.  Don't let the Maymon thing get to you, this to shall pass.

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 13, 2010, 06:20:51 PM
Anyone is funnier than Leno.  Letterman is just an old, unfunny bitch with an elitiist prick attitude that has the typical DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO power trip.  No wonder he's a ...... (can't say it but you know what I'm going to say)   ;D

Conservative?

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on January 14, 2010, 08:08:58 AM
Conservative?

  90% chance you're a kid about 5 years out of college.  Maybe someday you'll understand, but with your attitude, probably not. 

More than 5.  And I understand perfectly.

Heard something that Jay might be leaving NBC now too...

I saw that too.  Jay isn't pleased with NBC's decesions either and rather than become the bad guy he is considering simply leaving.

The Tonight Show with Jimmy Falon?

Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 14, 2010, 11:54:59 AM
I saw that too.  Jay isn't pleased with NBC's decesions either and rather than become the bad guy he is considering simply leaving.

The Tonight Show with Jimmy Falon?

Jay's already the bad guy, even comedians are coming out bashing him.

He's a robot, and like Rosie O'Donnel said on her satellite radio show, he's like a skier that fell who just won't let go of the tow rope.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 14, 2010, 11:54:59 AM
I saw that too.  Jay isn't pleased with NBC's decesions either and rather than become the bad guy he is considering simply leaving.

The Tonight Show with Jimmy Falon?

Nah, I think they'd have to look outside the normal to do it...

Think Colbert or Stewart would give it a shot?

I do... and people would watch either of them over Letterman.

TMZ is saying the deal to put Leno back at 10:35 for an hour has been agreed to by both sides.
http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/14/jay-leno-conan-obrien-nbc-the-tonight-show/)

Come on FOX! Pick up Conan!

Regarding the Colbert Demographic... how long does everything think his schtick will last? I loved watching the show for the first couple of years, but I grew tired of it. It won't be long lasting like The Daily Show as it is all gimmick based, so really, how much longer for Colbert?

Colbert has already had a significant ratings drop after the election, and hasn't seen the same numbers since.

Conan's last show will be next Friday, January 22nd.

http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1415322/ (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni1415322/)

Quote from: marqptm on January 14, 2010, 07:21:52 PM
Regarding the Colbert Demographic... how long does everything think his schtick will last? I loved watching the show for the first couple of years, but I grew tired of it. It won't be long lasting like The Daily Show as it is all gimmick based, so really, how much longer for Colbert?

Colbert has already had a significant ratings drop after the election, and hasn't seen the same numbers since.

I had the same thoughts when he first came on.  I thought it would grow old quickly.  But I'm liking that show more and more as time goes along.  I think The Daily Show has slipped below it.  Part of that could be that they've lost some great talent over the years such as Colbert, Carell, Helms and Corddry.  That's hard to replace.

The downfall of Colbert will be backlash from oversaturation.  There's already a bit of a backlash over the coverage he's getting for the US Speed Skating team, the edition of Newsweek, etc.  However I think his show is consistently the funniest thing on TV at any time on any channel.

You need to check this video out if you missed it.  Jimmy Kimmel was on Jay Leno and absolutely torched him.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/15/jay-leno-jimmy-kimmel-tonight-show-video/ (http://www.tmz.com/2010/01/15/jay-leno-jimmy-kimmel-tonight-show-video/)

Awesome poll!!! More affirmation that I am conversing with like-minded people.  BLOWOUT!!!