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Title: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: downtown85 on January 01, 2010, 02:48:13 PM
Just heard it on ESPN.  No real details yet except it has to do with drugs and weapons. 
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Jay Bee on January 01, 2010, 02:51:15 PM
"Tennessee men's basketball players Tyler Smith, Cameron Tatum, Brian Williams and Melvin Goins were arrested after a traffic stop around noon on Friday.

The players are facing misdemeanor weapon and drug charges, according to a source with knowledge of the situation."
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: nyg on January 01, 2010, 02:53:36 PM
"Tennessee men's basketball players Tyler Smith, Cameron Tatum, Brian Williams and Melvin Goins were arrested after a traffic stop around noon on Friday.

The players are facing misdemeanor weapon and drug charges, according to a source with knowledge of the situation."

http://ncaabasketball.fanhouse.com/2010/01/01/four-tennessee-players-reportedly-arrested/

Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Jay Bee on January 01, 2010, 04:01:49 PM
Bad, bad news.  Smith and Williams have felony charges.

Suspects and charges:

   1. Cameron Alexander Tatum (driver) dob 07/88 (a) unlawful poss. of firearm (b) open container of alcohol

   2. David Tyler Smith (front seat passenger) dob 09/86 (a) unlawful poss. of firearm (b) poss. of firearm with altered serial #

   3. Melvin Lamont Goins II ( left rear seat passenger ) dob 12/87 (a) unlawful poss. of firearm (b) poss. of schedule VI

   4. Brian M. Williams ( right rear seat passenger ) dob 08/87 (a)unlawful poss. of firearm (b) poss. of firearm with altered serial # (c) poss. of schedule VI
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: ecompt on January 01, 2010, 04:15:32 PM
guess there will be plenty of room for Jeronne now.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 01, 2010, 04:51:26 PM
When you turn over your program to a guy like Bruce Pearl, and turn your face as you squirm, this type of news was always going to happen.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: nyg on January 01, 2010, 05:06:48 PM
If the law wants to really nail them, they would call in the ATF and make the alteration of a serial number on a weapon a federal charge.

Those four players saw significant playing time and provided about 40% of the offense.  Probably won't see them on the court for the SEC play.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 01, 2010, 05:12:29 PM
At least it's not Wayne Chism.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: GGGG on January 01, 2010, 05:45:30 PM
At least it's not Wayne Chism.

That name always makes me snicker.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: avid1010 on January 01, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
guess there will be plenty of room for Jeronne now.

Will this hurt or help J-May?  As much as TN is going to need players, they're not going to need anyone with a questionable background. 
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: wildbillsb on January 01, 2010, 07:45:34 PM
Will this hurt or help J-May?  As much as TN is going to need players, they're not going to need anyone with a questionable background. 

I'm not so sure about that.  Apparently, Coach P. is used to working with players with "a questionable background."
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: mviale on January 01, 2010, 08:11:46 PM
Will this hurt or help J-May?  As much as TN is going to need players, they're not going to need anyone with a questionable background. 
Maymon does not have a questionable background? He just chose to transfer from Marquette. 
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: groove on January 01, 2010, 08:37:31 PM
haha, love it. thug coach. thug program.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: avid1010 on January 01, 2010, 09:08:14 PM
Maymon does not have a questionable background? He just chose to transfer from Marquette. 


Grades and fighting at Memorial.  Not that it's a big deal, but I have to believe those above Pearl will be watching who he recruits.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 01, 2010, 10:58:58 PM
I wouldn't want my livelihood dependent on the skills, behavior, and families of 18-22 year old athletes. There's a reason coaches have health problems attributed to the stress of their jobs. Scholarship athletes have a special talent. To be honest, they also may have been spoiled and pampered on the road to manhood. Don't expect a squad of choirboys to represent your favorite university. It ain't going to happen.  Doesn't matter if it's UW, UL, Tennessee, or fill in the blank U., items occur.
The easiest route for us and others is to universally place the blame with the head coach. And, yes, I realize he or she is ultimately responsible for the actions of the players both on and off the court or field. But, the head coach is not with them 24/7. The blame here, and in all other incidents, must be shared foremost by the players, and secondary by the people who gifted them with a $100,000-$200,000 college scholarship.
Incidents like this are happening at public schools, private schools, small conferences, large conferences, and at D-1,2, and 3 institutions. Don't be so smug in your judgment, your alma mater may someday face the same embarrassment.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Jay Bee on January 01, 2010, 11:07:21 PM
Incidents like this are happening at public schools, private schools, small conferences, large conferences, and at D-1,2, and 3 institutions. Don't be so smug in your judgment, your alma mater may someday face the same embarrassment.

  Just about anything can happen anywhere.  However, I have no problem making a judgment about certain coaches and certain programs being especially slimy and lacking character.  The likelihood of incidents like this happening is clearly affected by the types of kids you bring into your problem.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: groove on January 01, 2010, 11:27:09 PM
  Just about anything can happen anywhere.  However, I have no problem making a judgment about certain coaches and certain programs being especially slimy and lacking character.  The likelihood of incidents like this happening is clearly affected by the types of kids you bring into your problem.

+1 exactly. IF 4 MU basketball players get arrested with the same type of charges tonight, I'll say the same thing about MU. Thug coach. Thug players. Thug program.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: mviale on January 01, 2010, 11:49:22 PM
I wouldn't want my livelihood dependent on the skills, behavior, and families of 18-22 year old athletes. There's a reason coaches have health problems attributed to the stress of their jobs. Scholarship athletes have a special talent. To be honest, they also may have been spoiled and pampered on the road to manhood. Don't expect a squad of choirboys to represent your favorite university. It ain't going to happen.  Doesn't matter if it's UW, UL, Tennessee, or fill in the blank U., items occur.
The easiest route for us and others is to universally place the blame with the head coach. And, yes, I realize he or she is ultimately responsible for the actions of the players both on and off the court or field. But, the head coach is not with them 24/7. The blame here, and in all other incidents, must be shared foremost by the players, and secondary by the people who gifted them with a $100,000-$200,000 college scholarship.
Incidents like this are happening at public schools, private schools, small conferences, large conferences, and at D-1,2, and 3 institutions. Don't be so smug in your judgment, your alma mater may someday face the same embarrassment.
+1
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2010, 12:31:16 AM
I wouldn't want my livelihood dependent on the skills, behavior, and families of 18-22 year old athletes. There's a reason coaches have health problems attributed to the stress of their jobs. Scholarship athletes have a special talent. To be honest, they also may have been spoiled and pampered on the road to manhood. Don't expect a squad of choirboys to represent your favorite university. It ain't going to happen.  Doesn't matter if it's UW, UL, Tennessee, or fill in the blank U., items occur.
The easiest route for us and others is to universally place the blame with the head coach. And, yes, I realize he or she is ultimately responsible for the actions of the players both on and off the court or field. But, the head coach is not with them 24/7. The blame here, and in all other incidents, must be shared foremost by the players, and secondary by the people who gifted them with a $100,000-$200,000 college scholarship.
Incidents like this are happening at public schools, private schools, small conferences, large conferences, and at D-1,2, and 3 institutions. Don't be so smug in your judgment, your alma mater may someday face the same embarrassment.

All of that is true, but there's also certain programs that are in the spotlight more for transgressions of their student athletes because they recruit more players with bigger problems, etc.  Risk and reward. 

Stanford, Duke, etc don't have the same problems as other programs like Memphis, Tennessee, etc.

Sure, they all have problems to some extent but the coach knows who he is bringing in and usually knows a considerable amount about the kid's past.  Of course the coach can't control the kid's actions once they get to said university, but part of evaluating a kid during the recruiting process is to understand what kind of character he has and what kind of risk he poses.   
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 02, 2010, 12:47:14 AM
I've been reading some message boards and several people seem to be worried about the vehicle they four were riding in.  A vechicle generally too expensive for college students too afford.  Again this is just from various message boards and I can't find any information on what the players were actually driving.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: g0lden3agle on January 02, 2010, 12:53:48 AM
I've been reading some message boards and several people seem to be worried about the vehicle they four were riding in.  A vechicle generally too expensive for college students too afford.  Again this is just from various message boards and I can't find any information on what the players were actually driving.

According to ESPN, Bruce Pearl stated that "to his knowledge" the car was in one of the player's girlfriend's name.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 02, 2010, 12:57:35 AM
According to ESPN, Bruce Pearl stated that "to his knowledge" the car was in one of the player's girlfriend's name.

That seems about right.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: warthog-driver on January 02, 2010, 02:59:24 AM
Just heard it on ESPN.  No real details yet except it has to do with drugs and weapons. 

Throw in some poon and you have the Holy Trinity!
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: warthog-driver on January 02, 2010, 03:09:17 AM
  Just about anything can happen anywhere.  However, I have no problem making a judgment about certain coaches and certain programs being especially slimy and lacking character.  The likelihood of incidents like this happening is clearly affected by the types of kids you bring into your problem.

I believe the blame for this shameful incident rests squarely with the Volunteer Hostess Squad assigned to these 4 young men. If the Hostesses had been doing their duty these men would not have been out prowling the late night streets but instead been firmly between the sheets.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: avid1010 on January 02, 2010, 08:04:13 AM
According to ESPN, Bruce Pearl stated that "to his knowledge" the car was in one of the player's girlfriend's name.

As were the guns and weed.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 02, 2010, 08:13:50 AM
Update: Bruce Pearl will indefinitely suspend the four players, Tyler Smith, Cameron Tatum, Brian Williams and Melvin Goins, according to a CBSSports.com report.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 02, 2010, 09:48:09 AM
I wouldn't want my livelihood dependent on the skills, behavior, and families of 18-22 year old athletes. There's a reason coaches have health problems attributed to the stress of their jobs. Scholarship athletes have a special talent. To be honest, they also may have been spoiled and pampered on the road to manhood. Don't expect a squad of choirboys to represent your favorite university. It ain't going to happen.  Doesn't matter if it's UW, UL, Tennessee, or fill in the blank U., items occur.
The easiest route for us and others is to universally place the blame with the head coach. And, yes, I realize he or she is ultimately responsible for the actions of the players both on and off the court or field. But, the head coach is not with them 24/7. The blame here, and in all other incidents, must be shared foremost by the players, and secondary by the people who gifted them with a $100,000-$200,000 college scholarship.
Incidents like this are happening at public schools, private schools, small conferences, large conferences, and at D-1,2, and 3 institutions. Don't be so smug in your judgment, your alma mater may someday face the same embarrassment.

It's cute to me when you defend Bruce Pearl so vigorously.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 02, 2010, 09:59:00 AM
Cute? So you disagree with my statement?

Here's the disclaimer I should have added:

I like Pearl. I consider Bruce to be a friend. Though since he left MKE, there hasn't been much contact. Nonetheless, I still stand by my statement about the difficulties of managing student athletes. Bruce really doesn't need me to stick up for him either.

Disclaimer #2
Had this happened to Crean, I would not verbalize his defense.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 02, 2010, 10:04:26 AM
Cute? So you disagree with my statement?

Here's the disclaimer I should have added:

I like Pearl. I consider Bruce to be a friend. Though since he left MKE, there hasn't been much contact. Nonetheless, I still stand by my statement about the difficulties of managing student athletes. Bruce really doesn't need me to stick up for him either.

Disclaimer #2
Had this happened to Crean, I would not verbalize his defense.


Well, I give you credit for being honest here, but it doesn't really excuse the hypocrisy.

You are smart enough to recognize your own biases, but you just don't care. Awesome.

I actually agree 100% with your first post about Bruce. You are dead on. But, I apply that same logic to all coaches, not just my "friends".
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 02, 2010, 11:32:48 AM
Cute? So you disagree with my statement?

Here's the disclaimer I should have added:

I like Pearl. I consider Bruce to be a friend. Though since he left MKE, there hasn't been much contact. Nonetheless, I still stand by my statement about the difficulties of managing student athletes. Bruce really doesn't need me to stick up for him either.

Disclaimer #2
Had this happened to Crean, I would not verbalize his defense.


I appreciate your honesty, you are one of the few here that openly admits the double standard....for that you get major kudos.

I will say this about BP, he is a funny funny dude.  Very likable.  I just know too many stories on the basketball front that taints my judgment of him overall....that's my disclaimer.  How he got UWM to where he did was frustrating as hell on the other side of town because we knew how shady it was but you couldn't say anything without it coming off as total sour grapes.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: groove on January 02, 2010, 12:52:51 PM
According to ESPN, Bruce Pearl stated that "to his knowledge" the car was in one of the player's girlfriend's name.

Pearl probably has had a bit of the girlfriend also.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Tugg Speedman on January 02, 2010, 03:23:34 PM
Incidents like this are happening at public schools, private schools, small conferences, large conferences, and at D-1,2, and 3 institutions. Don't be so smug in your judgment, your alma mater may someday face the same embarrassment.

T. Mbawke And M. Clark were "almosts" for MU.  Tom Copa, Oliver Lee, Terry Reasoner are in our history. 

No we are not Tenn or BP, but the point about holds true, it happens to everyone to some degree.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: MU B2002 on January 06, 2010, 09:32:58 AM
Way to go Bruce.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRTU4egxCMw
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 06, 2010, 09:38:41 AM
Not sure what his motivation would be, but that immediately struck me an intentional comment.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 06, 2010, 09:38:54 AM
T. Mbawke And M. Clark were "almosts" for MU.  Tom Copa, Oliver Lee, Terry Reasoner are in our history. 

No we are not Tenn or BP, but the point about holds true, it happens to everyone to some degree.

I think the difference is, that if these were 4 MU guys with these charges, they'd be off the team the next day.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Canned Goods n Ammo on January 06, 2010, 10:00:23 AM
I think the difference is, that if these were 4 MU guys with these charges, they'd be off the team the next day.

I hope you are right.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: Benny B on January 06, 2010, 10:43:55 AM
Way to go Bruce.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRTU4egxCMw

I don't know what was funnier, Bruce's faux pas or his recognition of it.
Title: Re: 4 Tennessee Basketball Players Arrested.
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on January 06, 2010, 11:37:01 AM
I feel bad for the guy what a kick in the teeth