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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on December 21, 2009, 04:58:22 PM
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Talked to a friend that is close to the program (it's a name you would all recognize).
He said there is a chance that MU will let Jeronne come back under certain conditions (mainly having to do with the father).
He thinks the reason they did not give Jeronne his release until Thursday (as opposed to last Monday) was so he could finish his finals. This leaves the door open for an immediate return without (academic) consequences as he finished the semester and still has a good academic standing.
Thoughts?
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I was wondering when this thread would start. My money was on after Christmas; looks like I lost.
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Pure speculation that I'm doubting it will happen.
However, I suppose it's possible.
If it were to happen, that's a pretty big roller-coaster for the past couple weeks.
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The more details come out about how things went down, the more I think this is plausible.
Sure as hell sounds like Jeronne got caught in the middle, wouldn't shock me at all if Buzz let him back in.
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He said there is a chance that MU will let Jeronne come back under certain conditions (mainly having to do with the father).
So you're saying there's a chance?
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But how is Tim going to get to hob-nob with Michael Jordan while watching their sons playing basketball?
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But how is Tim going to get to hob-nob with Michael Jordan while watching their sons playing basketball?
I thought that's the reason we became Jordan Brand.
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Until Team Maymon announces their next move, this kind of speculation will run rampant.
That being said, it would not suprise me to see him come back.
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I don't think Tim Maymon will never change, so how does one set certain conditions? No attendance at practice? No courtside seats, get moved to mezzanine? No mouthing off to the media? No Facebook comments? That is going to be tough, bad habits don't die. Especially for the insane.
Based on the last few days and reading what the perceived facts are, I am convinced Jeronne did not want to leave the team and it was Tim Maymon who initiated and escalated the issues. MU did not wish to deal with such problems and so the separation, however it ended up as.
If Jeronne comes forth and tells what really happened, as in it was all his father's idea or some other viable excuse, then lets give him a chance. His teamates appear to enjoy him and they, along with Buzz should have the final say.
I would just be concerned with future "certain conditions" be violated. Then what?
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I wouldn't take him back. It would make this look like a charade. Put the entire episode to rest. It's embarrassing for the university to be associated with these people. Period.
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So you're saying there's a chance?
+1
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I don't think Tim Maymon will never change, so how does one set certain conditions? No attendance at practice? No courtside seats, get moved to mezzanine? No mouthing off to the media? No Facebook comments? That is going to be tough, bad habits don't die. Especially for the insane.
Based on the last few days and reading what the perceived facts are, I am convinced Jeronne did not want to leave the team and it was Tim Maymon who initiated and escalated the issues. MU did not wish to deal with such problems and so the separation, however it ended up as.
If Jeronne comes forth and tells what really happened, as in it was all his father's idea or some other viable excuse, then lets give him a chance. His teamates appear to enjoy him and they, along with Buzz should have the final say.
I would just be concerned with future "certain conditions" be violated. Then what?
Agree, I think the only way for thing to change is for someone to sit Tim down and explain to him that he is ruiniing his son's best chance. If that person can get through to him, and convnince him that his actions are having such a negative impact on his son's future...and Tim is able to recognize that and agree to step back, then I think this can work.
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If this is truly a TM issue and not a JM initiated decision, then Jeronne's return could be a wonderful lesson in reconciliation...
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Does anyone here really think Tim Maymon is going to change? The only hope is that Jeronne becomes a man and tells his dad that he (Jeronne) calls the shots from now on.
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Agree, I think the only way for thing to change is for someone to sit Tim down and explain to him that he is ruiniing his son's best chance. If that person can get through to him, and convnince him that his actions are having such a negative impact on his son's future...and Tim is able to recognize that and agree to step back, then I think this can work.
That's like asking a stalker to stop stalking, without a restraining order.
I'd gladly take JM back, but I don't know if you can really remove his dad from the situation. Plus, JM needs to understand that he'll have to work even hard to earn the trust of his teammates - even if they don't harbor any ill feelings, Buzz can't set the example that coming and going is "OK".
For those reasons, I really don't think it will happen.
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If it happens, look for a release tonight at 8. The last couple releases (Otule injury and Maymon) both dropped after the coach's radio show.
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I don't think he's coming back. He has looked lackadaisical while playing in games, so I really doubt that he was trying much harder during practice.
It would be very feel-good-holiday-movie if Jeronne had a man to man conversation with his pops and Tim agreed to hand the reigns of Jeronne's career back to Jeronne. Call me a pessimist but I doubt that things will work out that way because they never seem to in real life.
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I'll wait to say anything. None of us really know exactly what's going on so I wouldn't be that surprised either way.
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Not happening.
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Not happening.
Agreed.
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That's like asking a stalker to stop stalking, without a restraining order.
I'd gladly take JM back, but I don't know if you can really remove his dad from the situation. Plus, JM needs to understand that he'll have to work even hard to earn the trust of his teammates - even if they don't harbor any ill feelings, Buzz can't set the example that coming and going is "OK".
For those reasons, I really don't think it will happen.
Like Mo Acker leaving and coming back?
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Like Mo Acker leaving and coming back?
The Mo Acker "leaving" was totally different. 420 degrees of difference
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just wait before making up your mind
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Like Mo Acker leaving and coming back?
Do you see any difference in these headlines?
"Marquette's Acker to graduate, skip eligibility"
"Freshman Maymon leaves Marquette"
Completely different circumstances, each with their own intricacies, but Acker didn't have Tim Maymon along with him, which is mostly why I don't think Jeronne won't be back. Of course, I wrote this in my previous message too, but you seemed to ignore everything except the last sentence. Let me fix that. I primarily think Jeronne won't be back because of his dad.
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The Mo Acker "leaving" was totally different. 420 degrees of difference
I wasn't comparing the circumstances between Acker and Maymon. I was only responding to the previous post that:
Buzz can't set the example that coming and going is "OK"
Acker did leave the team and then came back.
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420 degrees of difference
Well said. That's like even better than 360 ;) No wonder he came back.
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If it is true Jeronne did not want to leave, and his father initiated the demands, and Jeronne wishes to come back and Tim agrees to stay out of it. I'm all for his return.
If all the speculation about why he left is true, then the right thing to do is help him back into a situation where he can succeed without the chains of his father.
Hell, maybe his father could learn a thing or two, too.
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Acker did leave the team and then came back.
Over the summer. Not missing any official practice or game time. Plus, as I said, he never left Marquette, he just wasn't going to play on the team.
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i would be very suprised if he comes back. But, Jeronne has not made any public comments to burn the bridges, unlike his dad.
It could very well be that the phone is not ringing off the hook with good options for Jeronne. Even so, a return is probably a real longshot.
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Has Tim Maymon said anything negative about MU or Buzz? I read the stuff about playing time and position - but so far from what I have read both sides have taken the high road. I am not surprised about Buzz doing this - maybe Tim is trying to keep the door open.
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I don't think Tim Maymon will never change, so how does one set certain conditions?
if you think he can change then why cant conditions bet set?
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Tim Maymon doesn't have to change, but they can ban him from the BC and the Al. That's good enough for me if Jeronne is willing to accept that
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If he comes back, do the haikus & limericks come back also!?!
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If he comes back, do the haikus & limericks come back also!?!
I certainly hope so.
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The Mo Acker "leaving" was totally different. 420 degrees of difference
hint hint, wink wink, nudge nudge
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I feel sorry for Jerone, but the best thing for him is to go to C. Florida or anywhere he is out of his father's reach.
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Maybe for whatever reason sometimes life is complicated. Hence, if Buzz, Jeronne and Tim can have an eye to eye things can be worked out.
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Even if JMay comes back would it be a positive or negative effect? He is a decent player and has some size that we need so those would be plusses. On the other hand i don't think team leaders like Lazar and Jimmy will like the fact that somebody quit on them and the team and now gets to come back
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No way in hell my son is coming back. We do that and we risk him starring in the league as the next best shooting guard. We're taking this thing to the middle of Florida, where the Jordan's and us are going to the Final Four BABY!
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Pablo Escobar's got a couple lines you can cook up and sell.
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That comment was priceless Tim Maymon
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The Mo Acker "leaving" was totally different. 420 degrees of difference
bob weir said it best
what a long strange trip it's been
two thousand and nine
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If there was any chance of turning this around, I believe they would have tried that before releasing Jeronne. If it come sdown that Jeronne was truly caught in the middle. the father confessed, and Buzz wanted him back, fine. I hate to see the kid int he middle, and from all the reports, it seems like he might have been.
But I have to say I would doubt a return because of the relatively quick release. But then again, what do we know?
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We did our job at Marquette. We wanted to see Vander have success, and he'll be able to play 4 years at Marquette. We know he would have never been successful in that boring, slow, white-boy offense they run here in Madison. We also knew that we would be leaving for the league after the 2nd semester anyway, so why waste our time now that Vander hopped off the short bus and joined the big boys? I've already talked to multiple NBA scouts and the Nets and T'Wolves are battling it out for us.
We would take Vander with us, if NBA rules allowed for it.
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This speculation borders on surreal.
If it was all his father, then possibly.
If he did come back, MU should re-package the program and call it "Barnum and Bailey's Greatest Circus on Earth"
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The Mo Acker "leaving" was totally different. 420 degrees of difference
that...was...hilarious
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This speculation borders on surreal.
If it was all his father, then possibly.
If he did come back, MU should re-package the program and call it "Barnum and Bailey's Greatest Circus on Earth"
I prefer "The Tim Maymon Freakshow" as it's more descriptive and let's us know up front who the real star of the show is. Plus there's no way Barnum and Bailey would want their name to be in any way associated with TM.
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420 degrees...haha MO
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Must be a slow night at the apollo.
Acker was completely different, he realized his mistake while sitting on the pot.
Acker was completely different, he was blazing his own trail.
Acker was completely different, he wasn't too good to mo his own grass.
Acker was completely different, he didn't stand by idly bye while others PARTOOK in bad behavior.
I don't see why you can't take a kid back just because his dad is a jerk. TM spent the last week calling schools that he thought would be ecstatic to hear from him. How do you think those calls went? You all think it's impossible to come to a realization of how far off he was? He probably was on hold trying to get through to Tubby when it dawned on him that he was screwing up his child's chances.
I don't think he needs to fundamentally change as a person to be manageable. Take him back, give him 4 tickets per game half a section up and tell him his dad shouldn't show up at the Al unannounced.
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I don't see why you can't take a kid back just because his dad is a jerk.
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If Tim was the main reason J-May got booted, then I wouldn't have an issue with bringing him back. Just because the father is over zealous, doesn't mean the son can't find some success.
Reminds me a little of the Sean OHair story. And yes I know golf is an individual sport, and bball is not. But Sean's dad controlled every aspect of his life including pulling him out of school in order to work on golf. Evidentually Sean managed to escape that relationship and has done quite well for himself.
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Maybe Tim and MJ can carpool down to C Florida for games. Wouldn't expect him to want to sit close though
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Let me put some of this speculation to rest...we were not booted out of the program...WE GOING TO DA LEAGUE!
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Do you mean, to the Association?
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Let me put some of this speculation to rest...we were not booted out of the program...WE GOING TO DA LEAGUE!
D-League? :o
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I believe losing Maymon will cost us about 2 wins over the course of the season, and for this team that could even be the difference between NCAA and NIT. That's based on statistical analysis, which some don't buy, but I think as thin as we are it is also realistic. He fouls like crazy, but he is a big body on a team that lacks size. Unfortunately, real life obviously isn't nearly as easy as stats, and obviously MU has to weigh team chemistry, and how he would be accepted even if there were a possibility.
I'm sure it's unlikely now that other coaches are turning on the charm, but if all the things we don't know anything about were to work out, then yes, I'd love to have him back.
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I suspect we will be a better team without him. Unhappy players are usually a detriment.
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I suspect we will be a better team without him. Unhappy players are usually a detriment.
Was Jeronne unhappy or was just his Dad?
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Compare Maymon and Lazar freshman year stats, incl. height, weight, min., pts, and you can only conclude that Maymon would have had the opportunity to be a star on a Big East team his Jr/Sr seasons, if he worked at it. The choice is between that an attempt at instant easy stardom. Buzz would have let him play basketball at six six w/o a position which is working for Mathews, but Tim knows better and Jeronne wants to keep his baby fat. What can you say but good luck.
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interestingly, Jaymay wasn't booted, his father was. Then Teemay pulled his son, who then called Buzz and wanted to come back. I'm told the door is open, and it is Jaymay's call to make. Tough choice for an 18 yr old to make. Doubt he'll be back.
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interestingly, Jaymay wasn't booted, his father was. Then Teemay pulled his son, who then called Buzz and wanted to come back. I'm told the door is open, and it is Jaymay's call to make. Tough choice for an 18 yr old to make. Doubt he'll be back.
Yes, it definitely was the father. As Buzz said to Dennis Krause on this weeks TW show, "the family believed that his progress at Marquette was not satisfactory". Could not have said it much plainer.
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If he called Buzz wanting to come back then why isnt he here? I have no idea on what to believe what really happened but I dont think J called wanting to come back or he would be on the team. The stuff with his father could have been dealt with later.
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If he called Buzz wanting to come back then why isnt he here? I have no idea on what to believe what really happened but I dont think J called wanting to come back or he would be on the team. The stuff with his father could have been dealt with later.
Because his dad doesn't want him here. Look, I feel bad for the kid. His dad is taking the "helicopter parent" thing to a whole new level. It's hard for a kid to break away from that.
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Because his dad doesn't want him here. Look, I feel bad for the kid. His dad is taking the "helicopter parent" thing to a whole new level. It's hard for a kid to break away from that.
Tim Maymon really showed Buzz, didn't he. What a bizarre, tormented fool. Unfortunately, his pride and buffoonery affects many other innocents. Someone posted Tim Maymon's legal "track record." A quick read of that history proves Tim Maymon believes he is above the law, should not be held accountable, or simply doesn't give a crap about the rules everyone else lives by. God only knows what lessons his children have absorbed over the years.
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I don't think we will ever know the entire truth, and it seems pretty quiet on the Maymon front, which would appear logical until his next school selection is made. That has to be done quickly so he could get in for sememter two and play in January 2011. So a decision, one way or another, should come soon.
For his sake, I hope he returns, and I would hope that MU would welcome the kid back as long as "the iissue" is dealt with.
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So do you think Maymon will end up at another school for spring semester 2010? That would be an incredibly fast admittance in my opinion.
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So do you think Maymon will end up at another school for spring semester 2010? That would be an incredibly fast admittance in my opinion.
That's what will happen. Not much to consider:
a. coach wants you
b. 1st semester grades
What else could be involved with the process? Probably take 15 min. at most.
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So do you think Maymon will end up at another school for spring semester 2010? That would be an incredibly fast admittance in my opinion.
He will be enrolled in some school for this second semester or else he wastes more time. As said above, I also do not think it is a big, lengthy process to apply, and becuase of the timeline, get in in they want you. Grades, coach. I think it will happen. I hope it's MU and "the problem" is taken care of.
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That's what will happen. Not much to consider:
a. coach wants you
b. 1st semester grades
What else could be involved with the process? Probably take 15 min. at most.
4ever, this decison tree has one additional step:
a. coach wants you
b. 1st semester grades
c. do I really want to put up with Tim Maymon's bullcrap
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4ever, this decison tree has one additional step:
a. coach wants you
b. 1st semester grades
c. do I really want to put up with Tim Maymon's bullcrap
I think for "c", Tim Maymon will not be able to pull his son again from another institution. So that means, the next insitution will benefit far more than we did.
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I think for "c", Tim Maymon will not be able to pull his son again from another institution. So that means, the next insitution will benefit far more than we did.
That assumes Tim Maymon will stay outside the white lines...fat fuggin chance
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He's back on campus. Anything could happen now.
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He's back on campus. Anything could happen now.
We're just cleaning out his apartment.
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We're just cleaning out his apartment.
I somehow doubt it.
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In reality, is he really back on campus? Where is this information coming from?
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In reality, is he really back on campus? Where is this information coming from?
He was on campus today... question is, what was he doing... getting some final release paperwork done? Or picking up a plane ticket to West Virginia?
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It would be odd if he was back on campus for any positive reasons as far as we are concerned. If they were cutting it this close for him to return, it would have been done already. This whole episode is a travsity, and I hope he gets what he wants. He would have developed into a very solid player for MU.
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I will believe this ordeal is over when he signs with another University. Until then, I think anything is possible.