Obviously all the facts aren't known yet, but I have it on good authority that what has been posted about JM's situation thus far has been correct -- Jeronne and Tim Maymon believe he is much better than he actually is and JM is soft and lazy.
We were warned about Tim Maymon from those who had seen his antics firsthand (many UW fans) and we chose to ignore them thinking that MU was the prescription they needed. Bo Ryan and Tom Crean stayed away for a reason, and all we heard was that JM came with tremendous baggage. It is obvious now that that was absolutely true.
Because of circumstance beyond anyones control, JM was forced to play some 5 this year. As a D1 freshman JM should be jumping at the opportunity to play ANYWHERE and the fact that he is actually QUITTING because he is not getting his way shows that he is indeed soft and lazy.
His father is enabling this mindset and apparently thinks he knows better than the coaches who are paid to know better. That is serious baggage, and if I am a D1 coach anywhere else I look at this situation and completely shut the door on them. It sounds like that is exactly what Buzz has done. And IMO, good for him.
I realize that many people (myself not included) think that JM might read these message boards and if he is considering rethinking his decision might see something like this and decide that MU fans have "thrown him under the bus" ala UW fans after Vander decommitted. But here is the thing..... I HOPE he reads these boards and recognizes all this criticism as a serious reality check. Either he sees the opportunity he has at MU and decides that the coaches know better than he and his dad (not likely), or the gigantic chip on his shoulder grows bigger and he is on his way to a repeat of this situation at some other school somewhere down the road. If he wants to be part of the TEAM then I would be happy to have him back. If he wants to be about himself, then good riddance.
Bottom line, if JM is going to be successful anywhere it is NOT going to be with all that baggage attatched. The sooner JM and TM realize that, the better for all of those involved.
Here, here panties! Here, here! I hope Buzz raised the BS flag on these folks and told them to hit the bricks. They have zero regard for people named Lazar, Darius, Maurice, David, Yous, etc...It would seem they only care about two people. That is a recipe for disaster in any team.
I think this is on the money. I hope he learns something from this and goes on to find success wherever he may end up. The fact that he did quit, and for the reasons he did, leads me to believe the opposite will probably happen, at least initially.
Then again, there is the possibility that he is coming to a realization about his talent and abilities, looking around at the players already here, and those coming in, and realizing that there is a real possibility he is just not going to be able to find the floor - certainly not as a SG/SF, and he has along way to go if he expects to do so as a PF in the BE. Of course it was only 10 games, but the fact is, he had done little/nothing against bad and mediocre competition. What on earth was he going to do against the likes of UConn, Syracuse, Villanova, WVU, etc.?
I hope its the latter, but I fear it is the former. His chances of success are far greater if he is being honest about his abilities and chances. if he simply thinks he is good enough and entitled to play SG/SF 30 minutes a game at the high major level, he is likely to have the same problem wherever he ends up.
As tough as it is to do, we need to wait and see what the deal really was. None of us really know. What I do know is that the team needed him to play where Buzz put him to play - bottom line. The team suffered injuries, etc. A team player straps it on and plays where the coach tells him to play and helps the team any way he can. That is what is expected out of any player on any team.
Until we know, we don't know. (Yogi-ism)
Quote from: Daniel on December 15, 2009, 02:57:38 PM
Until we know, we don't know. (Yogi-ism)
narrow path beyond
gentle mist shrouds the rice field
tomorrow's harvest
I think you are likely 100% MUunderpants, but I hope the Maymons are not basing their beliefs on a sales pitch made by Buzz that included some exaggerations about playing time and position.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 15, 2009, 03:15:20 PM
I think you are likely 100% MUunderpants, but I hope the Maymons are not basing their beliefs on a sales pitch made by Buzz that included some exaggerations about playing time and position.
stalks heavy with grain
delightful feast for the crows
the future betrayed
Well...the last 24 hours have caused quite the upheaval. Maymon leaves and warthog's responses are all in haiku.
I hope I wake up from this bad dream shortly!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 15, 2009, 03:21:59 PM
Well...the last 24 hours have caused quite the upheaval. Maymon leaves and warthog's responses are all in haiku.
I hope I wake up from this bad dream shortly!
a golden vista
until thunderheads emerge
the savage fury
Is it possible that this has to do with grades as well? If he knows he's not going to pass, would dropping out before finals save him from going on academic probation?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 15, 2009, 03:21:59 PM
Well...the last 24 hours have caused quite the upheaval. Maymon leaves and warthog's responses are all in haiku.
I hope I wake up from this bad dream shortly!
Warthogs best post was in the Vander thread, something like "unchambered the round and stopped the 8 track of Freebird" I laughed so hard I nearly cried.
Quote from: chris006 on December 15, 2009, 03:25:23 PM
Is it possible that this has to do with grades as well? If he knows he's not going to pass, would dropping out before finals save him from going on academic probation?
an earnest effort
enterprise not rewarded
the shame of failure
Crapped in pants
stinks like hell
time for a change
Ancient pond
Frog leaps
Splash!
one more
A banana burps.
Goofy farts and piggies pop.
The flowers chortle.
Buzz takes some chances
Character Juco and Clark
Too many risks for us?
Devin Ebanks
Greg Monroe
Wesley Johnson
Yancy Gates
Mac Koshal
Antonio Pena
Michael Gilchrist
Samardo Samuels
Dante Taylor
Herb Pope
Just some of which Jeronne will not see what his ability would really be.
Nicely said underpants. Only thing I disagree with you on is he's never coming back to MU even if he wanted too. You don't quit on your team, cardinal rule of athletics. His ship has sailed. I would come to terms with the "good riddance" part of your post rather then welcoming him back even if he does want to change. Bye Bye JMay...you look like a turd in every way imaginable.
Quote from: downtown85 on December 15, 2009, 03:28:40 PM
Warthogs best post was in the Vander thread, something like "unchambered the round and stopped the 8 track of Freebird" I laughed so hard I nearly cried.
unchambered the round
premonition of new life
it's ronnie van zandt
Quote from: Shack on December 15, 2009, 05:24:19 PM
Only thing I disagree with you on is he's never coming back to MU even if he wanted too. You don't quit on your team, cardinal rule of athletics. His ship has sailed. I would come to terms with the "good riddance" part of your post rather then welcoming him back even if he does want to change. Bye Bye JMay...you look like a turd in every way imaginable.
The more I learn about this situation, the more I realize that you are right on. I officialy retract that part of the statement. The Maymons aren't dealing in reality apparently. I am honestly looking forward to this Tim Maymon presser -- he is going to end up looking like a massive rubber.
Quote from: MUunderpants on December 15, 2009, 07:57:30 PM
The more I learn about this situation, the more I realize that you are right on. I officialy retract that part of the statement. The Maymons aren't dealing in reality apparently. I am honestly looking forward to this Tim Maymon presser -- he is going to end up looking like a massive rubber.
diminished belief
suspended reality
the paternal fool