Dan Needles on ESPN 540 Today: "If Jeronne Maymon ever makes the NBA... I will eat my dirty shorts for a week straight. He is a fat, unathletic, quitter...good luck with the rest of your life..." Are you kidding me?
He was just tearin Jmay apart! I mean yes, I'm surprised and upset he is leaving us high and dry...but I think theres much more to come with this story.
Quote from: cirella09 on December 15, 2009, 12:01:02 PM
Dan Needles on ESPN 540 Today: "If Jeronne Maymon ever makes the NBA... I will eat my dirty shorts for a week straight. He is a fat, unathletic, quitter...good luck with the rest of your life..." Are you kidding me?
He was just tearin Jmay apart! I mean yes, I'm surprised and upset he is leaving us high and dry...but I think theres much more to come with this story.
I don't. I have a hard time finding anywhere Needles is off base. Fat and unathletic may be a touch strong, but he has about as much chance of being a productive high major SG/SF as I do.
Quote from: cirella09 on December 15, 2009, 12:01:02 PM
Dan Needles on ESPN 540 Today: "If Jeronne Maymon ever makes the NBA... I will eat my dirty shorts for a week straight. He is a fat, unathletic, quitter...good luck with the rest of your life..." Are you kidding me?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 15, 2009, 12:06:31 PM
I don't. I have a hard time finding anywhere Needles is off base. Fat and unathletic may be a touch strong, but he has about as much chance of being a productive high major SG/SF as I do.
Really? A touch strong? You don't find that entirely inappropriate? You really don't? I have a hard time understanding how spewing that type of crap is acceptable in a professional sports talk environment. Saying that stuff about a collegiate amateur athlete is reprehensible at best.
There is nothing even remotely justifiable in that quote. I hope that this schmuck has no connections to Marquette. If he does I will be severly embarassed.
Needles should be publicly reprimanded a la Imus on this one, and should have to issue an apology. There is nothing, and I cannot emphasize that word enough, acceptable, noble, funny, warranted, etc. about this kind of GARBAGE.
I caught part of the D-List while going to lunch and I walked in on him saying his gift to Jeronne is one giant box of pamperin...(or something to that effect)
I chuckled at that one.
Yeah...... this seems a little over the top to talk about a college athlete like that.
It's Needles. It's 540. Needles epitomizes amateur-hour. Not quite as much as Homer's show, but close.
That's really amateur stuff right there. I don't think he should necessarily have to be reprimanded for it, but how unprofessional is that?? Nobody even has all of the facts in and nobody knows what Buzz may or may not have promised this kid.
If he had said "overweight" instead of "fat" I think it would have been fine. He is rather unathletic and he did quit the team.
And Mbao has a better shot at the NBA
So a guy giving an opinion on an opinion show is unprofessional, and should be reprimanded? Good grief people. Get a grip.
Judging by this recap, Needles definitely leaves out the positives with this kid and how he could be a great college player.
That said, hundreds of players have a better shot than Maymon right now and he just doesnt have the build for the NBA.
And I don't think amateur athletes on scholarship should be off limits. They are adults. If you feel that way, then there shouldn't be any coverage at all because it would be unethical to only say positive fluff. That wouldn't be journalism.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on December 15, 2009, 12:35:08 PM
So a guy giving an opinion on an opinion show is unprofessional, and should be reprimanded? Good grief people. Get a grip.
No, a man that uses his position of relative power to rip on the character and weight of a 19 year-old student the way that he did is unprofessional, and he absolutely should be called out for it. He is publicly defaming the image of a young student-athlete, one who was not there to defend himself.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 15, 2009, 12:40:58 PM
And I don't think amateur athletes on scholarship should be off limits. They are adults. If you feel that way, then there shouldn't be any coverage at all because it would be unethical to only say positive fluff. That wouldn't be journalism.
1. I didn't say that negativity is off-limits. Just fat jokes and character attacks. That's not journalism. If you think it is, you need a conscience.
2. Translated: "He's an adult and should suck it up." I wonder if that's how you'd feel if it were you or your family member being torn up on the radio by a senseless talk show host without an opportunity to respond.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
No, a man that uses his position of relative power to rip on the character and weight of a 19 year-old student the way that he did is unprofessional, and he absolutely should be called out for it. He is publicly defaming the image of a young student-athlete, one who was not there to defend himself.
1. I didn't say that negativity is off-limits. Just fat jokes and character attacks. That's not journalism. If you think it is, you need a conscience.
2. Translated: "He's an adult and should suck it up." I wonder if that's how you'd feel if it were you or your family member being torn up on the radio by a senseless talk show host without an opportunity to respond.
How is the D-List journalism? I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying, but I don't see how you can connect them.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
No, a man that uses his position of relative power to rip on the character and weight of a 19 year-old student the way that he did is unprofessional, and he absolutely should be called out for it. He is publicly defaming the image of a young student-athlete, one who was not there to defend himself.
1. I didn't say that negativity is off-limits. Just fat jokes and character attacks. That's not journalism. If you think it is, you need a conscience.
2. Translated: "He's an adult and should suck it up." I wonder if that's how you'd feel if it were you or your family member being torn up on the radio by a senseless talk show host without an opportunity to respond.
19 is very much an adult. I may not agree with him the host, but the kid is inviting commentary and criticism by putting himself out there for it
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on December 15, 2009, 12:52:11 PM
How is the D-List journalism? I don't necessarily disagree with what you're saying, but I don't see how you can connect them.
See the post I quoted from martyconlon in which it was referred to as journalism. I clarified that it's also not journalism to attack Jmay in the manner that he did.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 15, 2009, 12:40:58 PM
They are adults. If you feel that way, then there shouldn't be any coverage at all because it would be unethical to only say positive fluff. That wouldn't be journalism.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 12:58:30 PM
See the post I quoted from martyconlon in which it was referred to as journalism. I clarified that it's also not journalism to attack Jmay in the manner that he did.
Got it, my mistake.
Nothing like being offended on the behalf of another....
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 12:17:32 PM
Really? A touch strong? You don't find that entirely inappropriate? You really don't? I have a hard time understanding how spewing that type of crap is acceptable in a professional sports talk environment. Saying that stuff about a collegiate amateur athlete is reprehensible at best.
There is nothing even remotely justifiable in that quote. I hope that this schmuck has no connections to Marquette. If he does I will be severly embarassed.
Needles should be publicly reprimanded a la Imus on this one, and should have to issue an apology. There is nothing, and I cannot emphasize that word enough, acceptable, noble, funny, warranted, etc. about this kind of GARBAGE.
Give me a break. Reprehensible?? What world do you live in man? Are you serious? If Maymon is guilty of quitting on the team he has every right to be called out for it regardless if he's an amateur athlete or not. And being called out it includes being insulted by the press - just like he insulted the program with his selfish behavior (if Rosiak's latest report is true). And to call Needles a schmuck for offering a strong, negative opinion about an athlete (collegiate or not) is just plain ignorant. Do you even listen to sports talk shows? This isn't anything new. What is reprehensible is comparing Needles to Imus. He made no racial slur whatsoever. Needles did not cross any line. He's paid to give an opinion about athletes and their behaviors. And quitting on your team is a gutless selfish act regardless if your status is professional or an amateur. Boo hoo if he called him fat in the process. Get a clue buddy.
Its sports radio in Milwaukee which doesn't have too many teams to speak about.
I think its fair to see this moron said this to get more people to listen to his show whether they like what he said or not a la Jim Rome. People like this guy who spout off do so and get away with it because nobody listens to them.
Quote from: Shack on December 15, 2009, 01:29:23 PM
Give me a break. Reprehensible?? What world do you live in man? Are you serious? If Maymon is guilty of quitting on the team he has every right to be called out for it regardless if he's an amateur athlete or not. And being called out it includes being insulted by the press - just like he insulted the program with his selfish behavior (if Rosiak's latest report is true). And to call Needles a schmuck for offering a strong, negative opinion about an athlete (collegiate or not) is just plain ignorant. Do you even listen to sports talk shows? This isn't anything new. What is reprehensible is comparing Needles to Imus. He made no racial slur whatsoever. Needles did not cross any line. He's paid to give an opinion about athletes and their behaviors. And quitting on your team is a gutless selfish act regardless if your status is professional or an amateur. Boo hoo if he called him fat in the process. Get a clue buddy.
+1!
What if J-May were 40? And a man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoMmbUmKN0E
Point is, journalists are loudmouthed and controversial because that's what gives them an audience. Listen to 10 min of nearly any sports opinion show and you'll hear it. Certainly, I think Needles was off-base, but in no way am I surprised.
Couldn't have said it better Shack.......No room for quitters on in my book
Since the "I'm a man, I'm 40" video got posted, I feel this one can be applicable as well...
Does he not know that this is Division 1 and not intramurals, brother!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF9jh4xALxE
Quote from: Shack on December 15, 2009, 01:29:23 PM
Give me a break. Reprehensible?? What world do you live in man? Are you serious? 1. If Maymon is guilty of quitting on the team he has every right to be called out for it regardless if he's an amateur athlete or not. And being called out it includes being 2. insulted by the press - just like he insulted the program with his selfish behavior (if Rosiak's latest report is true). And to call Needles a schmuck for offering a strong, negative opinion about an athlete (collegiate or not) is just plain 3. ignorant. 4. Do you even listen to sports talk shows? This isn't anything new. What is reprehensible is comparing Needles to Imus. He made no racial slur whatsoever. Needles did not cross any line. He's paid to give an opinion about athletes and their behaviors. 5. And quitting on your team is a gutless selfish act regardless if your status is professional or an amateur. Boo hoo if he called him fat in the process. 6. Get a clue buddy.
1. You hit it right on the head.
If he did, calling him out is appropriate (calling him fat is not calling him out, btw).
If something else happened, and Jmay had a legitimate reason (not saying I know what that might be, but it is possible) for leaving, then you, Needles, and everyone else has a nice helping of crow to eat. Again, this highlights why self-control would not be a bad thing until the truth surfaces.
2. Does it really? What about living in the public eye legitimizes personal attacks like that? Just because it happens doesn't mean it is morally defensible.
3. So I'm ignorant for offering an opinion? I would hope that I don't need to explain why this argument is self defeating, but because you actually said it, I will. To translate this comment:
- Me: Needles opinion is irresponsible
- You: Your opinion is irresponsible
GOOD ONE. Ad hominem arguments are not legitimate refutations.
4. Yes. That doesn't mean I condone inappropriate comments any more than standing on a beach makes me a palm tree.
5. Agreed, but since you already admitted you don't know that he did, it's
ignorant and irresponsible to peg him for it and attack him because of it.
6. Get an argument.
Quote from: warrior55 on December 15, 2009, 02:02:06 PM
Couldn't have said it better Shack.......No room for quitters on in my book
Only Sith deal in absolutes.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 02:09:19 PM
If (calling him fat is not calling him out, btw).
Birkie, In the military we are expected to maintain mandated weight, fitness and grooming standards. We give everyone 90 minutes each day to work out and there are numerous mechanisms available to help an airman get back on glide slope if he is outside tolerance. I have, in a previous role, pulled more than one guy aside and told them to lose the lard. First conversation is always pleasant but direct. Second meeting, same subject? I tell fatboy to get with the program or else. It is a one-way conversation and it is not pleasant.
Rushing to judgment and juvenile name calling regarding a situation that has yet to completely play out = unprofessional, to me at least. Whether it's truly his opinion or he's just trying to get a rise it's garbage.
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 15, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Birkie, In the military we are expected to maintain mandated weight, fitness and grooming standards. We give everyone 90 minutes each day to work out and there are numerous mechanisms available to help an airman get back on glide slope if he is outside tolerance. I have, in a previous role, pulled more than one guy aside and told them to lose the lard. First conversation is always pleasant but direct. Second meeting, same subject? I tell fatboy to get with the program or else. It is a one-way conversation and it is not pleasant.
I'm not sure the situations are necessarily comparable, but I'll give it to you anyway.
I think the problem with this is that, by the accounts of the coaching staff, Jmay was working his rear end off in practice. It doesn't seem to me like he was sitting around eating bon-bons and being irresponsible about his workouts. Buzz himself touted his effort.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
No, a man that uses his position of relative power to rip on the character and weight of a 19 year-old student the way that he did is unprofessional, and he absolutely should be called out for it. He is publicly defaming the image of a young student-athlete, one who was not there to defend himself.
1. I didn't say that negativity is off-limits. Just fat jokes and character attacks. That's not journalism. If you think it is, you need a conscience.
2. Translated: "He's an adult and should suck it up." I wonder if that's how you'd feel if it were you or your family member being torn up on the radio by a senseless talk show host without an opportunity to respond.
I agree it was unprofessional with how he said it, but it was pretty accurate assessment. I even said Needles should have pointed out what he is good at for a more accurate assessment. It's sports radio and of course they are over the top. That said, I should've separated the d-list and journalism. My apologies.
And the ironic thing is I've been through a situation where my father was highly criticized by message boards. Any time you or a family member is a public figure, you deal with it. And yes, I consider someone under a scholarship that's worth $120,000 at a top basketball program a public figure.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 15, 2009, 02:44:30 PM
And the ironic thing is I've been through a situation where my father was highly criticized by message boards. Any time you or a family member is a public figure, you deal with it. And yes, I consider someone under a scholarship that's worth $120,000 at a top basketball program a public figure.
Sorry to hear that. It is a reality, you're right. My point is that just because it is a reality, it isn't necessarily justifiable or moral.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on December 15, 2009, 02:44:30 PM
I consider someone under a scholarship that's worth $120,000 at a top basketball program a public figure.
Hmmm...
I know where you are coming from... but I just can't get there. These are amateur athletes. They are 1 level above high school players.
I know we all see the glamor that comes with big time college hoops, but realistically these guys are just like any other player on scholarship at every other NCAA school.
I'm not saying they are above criticism, but it would be nice if people would cut them some slack.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on December 15, 2009, 12:29:45 PM
It's Needles. It's 540. Needles epitomizes amateur-hour. Not quite as much as Homer's show, but close.
+6 million.
And Maymon is neither fat nor overweight.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 02:09:19 PM
1. You hit it right on the head. If he did, calling him out is appropriate (calling him fat is not calling him out, btw). If something else happened, and Jmay had a legitimate reason (not saying I know what that might be, but it is possible) for leaving, then you, Needles, and everyone else has a nice helping of crow to eat. Again, this highlights why self-control would not be a bad thing until the truth surfaces.
2. Does it really? What about living in the public eye legitimizes personal attacks like that? Just because it happens doesn't mean it is morally defensible.
3. So I'm ignorant for offering an opinion? I would hope that I don't need to explain why this argument is self defeating, but because you actually said it, I will. To translate this comment:
- Me: Needles opinion is irresponsible
- You: Your opinion is irresponsible
GOOD ONE. Ad hominem arguments are not legitimate refutations.
4. Yes. That doesn't mean I condone inappropriate comments any more than standing on a beach makes me a palm tree.
5. Agreed, but since you already admitted you don't know that he did, it's ignorant and irresponsible to peg him for it and attack him because of it.
6. Get an argument.
Oh God. Is this my nemesis OTown Badger from the jsonline forum?
Quote from: Shack on December 15, 2009, 04:32:28 PM
Oh God. Is this my nemesis OTown Badger from the jsonline forum?
Nope. different nemesis. ;D
the snake finds refuge
amongst the scattered debris
know your enemy
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 15, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Birkie, In the military we are expected to maintain mandated weight, fitness and grooming standards. We give everyone 90 minutes each day to work out and there are numerous mechanisms available to help an airman get back on glide slope if he is outside tolerance. I have, in a previous role, pulled more than one guy aside and told them to lose the lard. First conversation is always pleasant but direct. Second meeting, same subject? I tell fatboy to get with the program or else. It is a one-way conversation and it is not pleasant.
Please translate what you said in the form of a haiku so I can understand. Thanks.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 12:17:32 PM
Needles should be publicly reprimanded a la Imus on this one, and should have to issue an apology. There is nothing, and I cannot emphasize that word enough, acceptable, noble, funny, warranted, etc. about this kind of GARBAGE.
Lighten up, Francis. Imus called a group of African-American girls "nappy-headed hos". This is nothing even remotely close to that. I don't know this Needles character, but while tough, he didn't say anything that bad about the kid. Nor did he say anything really that untrue about him. I'll bet my body fat percentage is the same as Maymon's, and I'm a desk jockey in my 30's.
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 15, 2009, 02:11:25 PM
Only Sith deal in absolutes.
Star Wars quotes? That's terrible.
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 15, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
Birkie, In the military we are expected to maintain mandated weight, fitness and grooming standards. We give everyone 90 minutes each day to work out and there are numerous mechanisms available to help an airman get back on glide slope if he is outside tolerance. I have, in a previous role, pulled more than one guy aside and told them to lose the lard. First conversation is always pleasant but direct. Second meeting, same subject? I tell fatboy to get with the program or else. It is a one-way conversation and it is not pleasant.
I've seen airmen in uniform. I'm glad you're fighting the good fight but how are those standards working out across the force? I love the Air Force but there are plenty of fat boys walking around airfields that should have been shown the door a long time ago. JM is hardly a fat a$$ by anyone's standards including most of the military.
Quote from: Avenue Commons on December 15, 2009, 09:33:16 PM
Lighten up, Francis. Imus called a group of African-American girls "nappy-headed hos". This is nothing even remotely close to that. I don't know this Needles character, but while tough, he didn't say anything that bad about the kid. Nor did he say anything really that untrue about him. I'll bet my body fat percentage is the same as Maymon's, and I'm a desk jockey in my 30's.
The principle is the same in either case. Personal attacks are not appropriate or ethical discussion as regards collegiate athletes. I would argue that they're not warranted towards most professionals either. It has no informative purpose to hop on the airwaves and make fun of a student athlete, regardless of the reason and/or the loose applicability of the term "student." It has nothing to do with sports and is simply a racket for more listeners at the expense of someone else.
Do I abhor the situation? Yes. Think Jeronne brought it on himself? Absolutely. Think the decision is absolutely selfish, egotistical, self-serving, and impulsive? No doubt. Do I think this decision is driven by a father who wants to ride his son to the NBA at any cost (which won't happen and will ultimately result in the adestruction of his son's life)? You bet. Do I think all of these are legitimate topics of discussion? Yes.
The difference is that none of these entail name-calling, mocking of an individual's bodily makeup, and childish insults, which should not be acceptable on-air behavior, even if it does happen all the time. Responsibility and self-restraint are not bad things.
JMay proved him right
while arrogant he may be
Needles stumped "The Schwab"
Quote from: MUSF on December 16, 2009, 03:05:32 AM
I've seen airmen in uniform. I'm glad you're fighting the good fight but how are those standards working out across the force? I love the Air Force but there are plenty of fat boys walking around airfields that should have been shown the door a long time ago. JM is hardly a fat a$$ by anyone's standards including most of the military.
corpulent airman
endless stream of chili dogs
unemployment line
Quote from: BirkieWarrior on December 16, 2009, 11:29:10 AM
The principle is the same in either case. Personal attacks are not appropriate or ethical discussion as regards collegiate athletes. I would argue that they're not warranted towards most professionals either. It has no informative purpose to hop on the airwaves and make fun of a student athlete, regardless of the reason and/or the loose applicability of the term "student." It has nothing to do with sports and is simply a racket for more listeners at the expense of someone else.
Do I abhor the situation? Yes. Think Jeronne brought it on himself? Absolutely. Think the decision is absolutely selfish, egotistical, self-serving, and impulsive? No doubt. Do I think this decision is driven by a father who wants to ride his son to the NBA at any cost (which won't happen and will ultimately result in the adestruction of his son's life)? You bet. Do I think all of these are legitimate topics of discussion? Yes.
The difference is that none of these entail name-calling, mocking of an individual's bodily makeup, and childish insults, which should not be acceptable on-air behavior, even if it does happen all the time. Responsibility and self-restraint are not bad things.
You are correct and your thoughts and sentiments are well reasoned. However, you still need to lighten up. He called the kid fat, not a racial slur. The two are not even comparable.