Why is MU issuing a press release? Why are they wishing him well?
By doing this, it seems to me that Buzz has already basically accepted Maymon's decision and that it doesn't leave him the wriggle room to come back to the program if he changes his mind. Actually, between this, and the fact that Tim Maymon apparently knew nothing, it makes me wonder if this was initiated by Buzz and not Jeronne. (Not saying it did...it just leads you to that conclusion.)
I just think releasing such a statement is a strange thing to do.
It gives Jeronne room to come back under terms a coach can accept. We should all wish him well.
Didn't they do the same thing when Acker left? Only to have another press release when he decided to rejoin the team???
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I think this may have been initiated by Buzz. He may have seen the writing on the wall and nipped this in the bud. Perhaps he doesn't want another Mbakwe situation on his hands.
Buzz, on the one hand, seems like "one of the guys" and is very familiar with the players (i.e., he allows them to call him Buzz), but on the other hand he has a line that you do not cross (i.e., you need to give 110% effort and put the team ahead of personal interests). Perhaps, JM was crossing the line and not backing down.
By reacting proactively, the coach is in control of the situation and not the other way around.
Quote from: lurch91 on December 15, 2009, 06:09:54 AM
Didn't they do the same thing when Acker left? Only to have another press release when he decided to rejoin the team???
I think Rosiak just put out a blog article when Acker came back...and by then his name was just back on the roster at the official site.
Quote from: downtown85 on December 15, 2009, 06:10:41 AM
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I think this may have been initiated by Buzz. He may have seen the writing on the wall and nipped this in the bud. Perhaps he doesn't want another Mbakwe situation on his hands.
Buzz, on the one hand, seems like "one of the guys" and is very familiar with the players (i.e., he allows them to call him Buzz), but on the other hand he has a line that you do not cross (i.e., you need to give 110% effort and put the team ahead of personal interests). Perhaps, JM was crossing the line and not backing down.
By reacting proactively, the coach is in control of the situation and not the other way around.
If Buzz is kicking a freshman off the team for not giving 110%, or even threatening to do so by issuing a press release, then we have issues much larger than Maymon leaving.
Let Jeronne think through the situation. It could of been an impulsive or heat of the moment decision.
Doesn't it seem strange MU would be issuing a press release before Buzz even spoke with Maymon's father? Seems to me that'd be something the family would be involved in.
Something isn't right here.
Impulsive spur of the moment decisions do not reflect professional behavior.
Quote from: CharleTheJesuit on December 15, 2009, 07:30:38 AM
Impulsive spur of the moment decisions do not reflect professional behavior.
Which is exactly why I don't think the AD would issue a press release to call a bluff.
Something's up, and we don't know what it is. Just waiting for Thursday when we'll hear more about it.
Quote from: CharleTheJesuit on December 15, 2009, 07:30:38 AM
Impulsive spur of the moment decisions do not reflect professional behavior.
Exactly. And one shouldn't yet expect an 18-year-old to be a professional about such things. However, if the decision was "spur of the moment" by the coach or athletic department, then you have a point.
Regardless of the reason, I really feel bad for Jeronne that during finals week he has to deal with this when he should be concentrating on his exams.
Quote from: downtown85 on December 15, 2009, 06:10:41 AM
I was thinking exactly the same thing. I think this may have been initiated by Buzz. He may have seen the writing on the wall and nipped this in the bud. Perhaps he doesn't want another Mbakwe situation on his hands.
Buzz, on the one hand, seems like "one of the guys" and is very familiar with the players (i.e., he allows them to call him Buzz), but on the other hand he has a line that you do not cross (i.e., you need to give 110% effort and put the team ahead of personal interests). Perhaps, JM was crossing the line and not backing down.
By reacting proactively, the coach is in control of the situation and not the other way around.
Praise in Public, Pummel in Private
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 15, 2009, 07:29:09 AM
Doesn't it seem strange MU would be issuing a press release before Buzz even spoke with Maymon's father? Seems to me that'd be something the family would be involved in.
Something isn't right here.
This.
Something is weird here.
I'm not holding my breath on him coming back, but something is definitely "up".
QuoteSomething isn't right here.
It does seem like a relatively quick press release, therefore Buzz and the AD
know what has happened and are biting it in the butt so as to not put the program in a bad light.
I know its not morally right to hope something against someone, but I hope it was a mistake by Jeronne after the Wisconsin game where he felt the heat after the game from his hometown. Possibly set unrealistic expectations prior to the Big East regular season for himself?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 15, 2009, 06:32:15 AM
If Buzz is kicking a freshman off the team for not giving 110%, or even threatening to do so by issuing a press release, then we have issues much larger than Maymon leaving.
My thinking as well. You don't issue a press release for this stuff, but who knows what he's thinking.
The comparisons some are making to the Acker press release are totally different because of why he left the team
My guess is jerrone is really struggling with this year so far. He is too young and immature to realize how much better he a nad the team will be next year. As Al said, "the best thing about Freshman is they become sophomres", Al knew that we know that but tell it too a 18 year old kid that is coming off a state titel and 2 player of the year awards. He is living a nightmare.
My guess sis this is not the first time Jerrone has "quit" and my guess is Buzz has had enough and by issuing a press release he is saying "if you want to quit then let's make it for real cuase people dont just quit around here like no big deal". sort of a boy who cried wolf deal.
Does not mean he has no ability to be accepted back Mu can release a new press release no big deal. But what is does do is clearly delineates the fact that jerrone and Buzz have drawn a line in the sand ...quit again whetehr it be verbally, emotionally or effort wise and you will never come back. happens all the time in sports the press realease makes it even more real for the kid, teaching moment...and i felt this way last night as soon as i read it before the tim maymon quotes etc. Who knows jerrone may not have even said "i quit" or he may have but he could have sat down or walked off the court or said something and Buzz called him out and in affect said "if you are going to quit let's make this F'ing thing official". it's all part of the psychology of coaching
QuoteMy guess is jerrone is really struggling with this year so far. He is too young and immature to realize how much better he a nad the team will be next year. As Al said, "the best thing about Freshman is they become sophomres", Al knew that we know that but tell it too a 18 year old kid that is coming off a state titel and 2 player of the year awards. He is living a nightmare.
My guess sis this is not the first time Jerrone has "quit" and my guess is Buzz has had enough and by issuing a press release he is saying "if you want to quit then let's make it for real cuase people dont just quit around here like no big deal". sort of a boy who cried wolf deal.
QuoteDoes not mean he has no ability to be accepted back Mu can release a new press release no big deal. But what is does do is clearly delineates the fact that jerrone and Buzz have drawn a line in the sand ...quit again whetehr it be verbally, emotionally or effort wise and you will never come back. happens all the time in sports the press realease makes it even more real for the kid, teaching moment...and i felt this way last night as soon as i read it before the tim maymon quotes etc. Who knows jerrone may not have even said "i quit" or he may have but he could have sat down or walked off the court or said something and Buzz called him out and in affect said "if you are going to quit let's make this F'ing thing official". it's all part of the psychology of coaching
+1000
That is the smartest and most likely scenario I have heard and sounds Buzzlike
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on December 15, 2009, 09:01:48 AM
Does not mean he has no ability to be accepted back Mu can release a new press release no big deal. But what is does do is clearly delineates the fact that jerrone and Buzz have drawn a line in the sand ...quit again whetehr it be verbally, emotionally or effort wise and you will never come back. happens all the time in sports the press realease makes it even more real for the kid, teaching moment...and i felt this way last night as soon as i read it before the tim maymon quotes etc.
Could be, but an interesting way to prove your point to a kid in public. I disagree when you say it's part of the coaching psychology....it's definitely a 180 from the coaching psychology when you take it public. Does Buzz run to the public every time to win battles with his players? Not sure I want other coaches recruiting against Buzz with that ammunition.
But Buzz does do some unconventional things so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this could be what is happening. If it is, I have to wonder why some of the other conventional things didn't happen first? Sit the kid out a game or two (maybe that's what happened at NC State). Only play him a few minutes. Etc.
I totally agree with you Hayward (you might want to bronze that statement) that the coach should run the asylum, not the players. I've always felt that way and if it's a his way or highway mentality, I applaud Buzz. The way to get there, however, is a different path for each coach. This would be a path that is rarely used because of all the speculation it brings to the kid. If he truly is struggling as you suggest, then issuing this release isn't going to do anything but put MORE pressure on him with the avalanche of questions that follow.
Posters have said, "let's wait until Thursday".......
What happens Thursday? Is there a presser scheduled?
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on December 15, 2009, 09:01:48 AM
My guess is jerrone is really struggling with this year so far. He is too young and immature to realize how much better he a nad the team will be next year. As Al said, "the best thing about Freshman is they become sophomres", Al knew that we know that but tell it too a 18 year old kid that is coming off a state titel and 2 player of the year awards. He is living a nightmare.
My guess sis this is not the first time Jerrone has "quit" and my guess is Buzz has had enough and by issuing a press release he is saying "if you want to quit then let's make it for real cuase people dont just quit around here like no big deal". sort of a boy who cried wolf deal.
Does not mean he has no ability to be accepted back Mu can release a new press release no big deal. But what is does do is clearly delineates the fact that jerrone and Buzz have drawn a line in the sand ...quit again whetehr it be verbally, emotionally or effort wise and you will never come back. happens all the time in sports the press realease makes it even more real for the kid, teaching moment...and i felt this way last night as soon as i read it before the tim maymon quotes etc. Who knows jerrone may not have even said "i quit" or he may have but he could have sat down or walked off the court or said something and Buzz called him out and in affect said "if you are going to quit let's make this F'ing thing official". it's all part of the psychology of coaching
although your theory at first glance sounds plausible, I am not sure playing mind games with a kid during finals week has any upside. I think there has to be more to the story than this. As I said in another post, I think it is something out of left field that we may have not considered yet. we shall see.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 15, 2009, 09:11:58 AM
Posters have said, "let's wait until Thursday".......
What happens Thursday? Is there a presser scheduled?
Supposedly this is when Buzz can talk about all this....who knows. Maybe it's an artificial deadline.
Were any of the potted plants in the AL damaged at all this week?
Quote from: StillWarriors on December 15, 2009, 07:29:09 AM
Doesn't it seem strange MU would be issuing a press release before Buzz even spoke with Maymon's father? Seems to me that'd be something the family would be involved in.
Something isn't right here.
Well, its most likley one of two things...Either Tim Maymon isn't being honest when he says he know nothing about it, or Buzz just kicked him off the team. Under either scenario, I guess I am not too sorry to see him go.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on December 15, 2009, 09:32:39 AM
Were any of the potted plants in the AL damaged at all this week?
Cans of snuff and glasses of sweet tea laying all over 12th St. as we type.
One thing being lost in most of these posts is the fact that what's been reported so far is that Jeronne "has decided to leave the program."
In other words, he quit.
Unless the university is playing it cute with their choice of words, this was Maymon's decision, not Buzz's.
So perhaps some of you are being somewhat less than fair when questioning Buzz's actions here, suggesting he's being unprofessional, playing mind games, etc. Maybe Buzz played a Jedi mind trick on Maymon to make him quit. Barring that, it appears this was Maymon's doing.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 15, 2009, 09:15:08 AM
Supposedly this is when Buzz can talk about all this....who knows. Maybe it's an artificial deadline.
You of all people should know better than that. Thursday is media availability day, has been all year.
Hope its not Buzz making a point in the press. Threaten this yes but not actually do it and during finals week. Large gamble if he really wants the kid to stay.
The kid ain't staying. What don't people get about that? His announcement coincides with the end of the semester. Jeronne will be eligible 2nd semester next season at his next destination.
My impression of Buzz is that he will not put up with anything that embarrasses the University. I do not think the problem is Jerone, it is with his father. I have to believe, if the the story is true about Tim Maymon flipping off the Badger fans before the game, that Buzz would have called Tim Maymon out on it after the game. I believe Tim Maymon's response is to take Jerone and go elsewhere. It is going to turn messy, because Tim will publically blame Buzz instead of realizing or admitting he is the problem. I would not expect Buzz to take Jerone back, if there was a change of heart in the Maymon camp.
Quote from: bilsu on December 15, 2009, 10:57:08 AM
It is going to turn messy, because Tim will publically blame Buzz instead of realizing or admitting he is the problem.
I agree with your assesment, and that's fine by me. People who choose to buy into Tim Maymon's version of things are not necessarily people I would want MU to concern themselves with anyway.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 15, 2009, 10:38:20 AM
One thing being lost in most of these posts is the fact that what's been reported so far is that Jeronne "has decided to leave the program."
In other words, he quit.
Unless the university is playing it cute with their choice of words, this was Maymon's decision, not Buzz's.
So perhaps some of you are being somewhat less than fair when questioning Buzz's actions here, suggesting he's being unprofessional, playing mind games, etc. Maybe Buzz played a Jedi mind trick on Maymon to make him quit. Barring that, it appears this was Maymon's doing.
i agree with Pakuni...people say why has Buzz not used conventioanl tactics preceeding this. How the hell does anyone know what buzz has done heretofore?
Second of all if a player walks out of practice say gets dressed and leaves or if that player handled it diffeently say he goes into the coaches office and in a dignigied manner tells the coach he is quitting...how is the coach then playing a mind game with the kid? And if anyone beleives there has been no smoke before this fire then you are really dumb? I am not saying we as observes should have seen this jesture or that that would have signaled all this I am simply saying any one that has ever played for a team knows there are typically 1-2-3 type of instances, issues, etc. before a player quits actually quits.
Quote from: Pakuni on December 15, 2009, 10:38:20 AM
Unless the university is playing it cute with their choice of words, this was Maymon's decision, not Buzz's.
Regardless of what actually happened, I am 100% comfortable saying this is the result of Maymon's actions. Whether he walked into the office and uttered the words, or stepped out of line, missed practice, took drugs, skipped class, slept with Buzz's wife...whatever, he made the decision(s) that led to this, perhaps with the help of his father.
Entirely possible Buzz gave him a push through the door, but let's all understand that Jeronne is the one who opened it in the first place.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on December 15, 2009, 09:01:48 AM
My guess is jerrone is really struggling with this year so far. He is too young and immature to realize how much better he a nad the team will be next year. As Al said, "the best thing about Freshman is they become sophomres", Al knew that we know that but tell it too a 18 year old kid that is coming off a state titel and 2 player of the year awards. He is living a nightmare.
My guess sis this is not the first time Jerrone has "quit" and my guess is Buzz has had enough and by issuing a press release he is saying "if you want to quit then let's make it for real cuase people dont just quit around here like no big deal". sort of a boy who cried wolf deal.
If that is the case, then Buzz is really not the coach I would want for my basketball team. This would be incredibly pathetic.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 15, 2009, 02:54:55 PM
If that is the case, then Buzz is really not the coach I would want for my basketball team. This would be incredibly pathetic.
northern wind blows free
willows bend in the strong breeze
dead leaves fly away
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 15, 2009, 03:44:14 PM
northern wind blows free
willows bend in the strong breeze
dead leaves fly away
What is with these odd poem things?
Entered as an eagle
left like a kitten
now just a fart in the wind
Quiet office
Haikus hilarious
Everyone looking at me
A quick press release
hasty decision by Buzz?
want the full story!
Quote from: warthog-driver on December 15, 2009, 03:44:14 PM
northern wind blows free
willows bend in the strong breeze
dead leaves fly away
Such a large file
It must have been very important
But now it is gone
a warrior in the past
a golden chicken laid an egg
eagle in the past
What concerns me most is if the Wisconsin HS coaches believe that Buzz is the sort to over-promise a kid in order to get them on campus.
If Buzz can't build that trust in WI and Chicago, MU will be in trouble.
Quote from: lurch91 on December 15, 2009, 04:09:23 PM
What concerns me most is if the Wisconsin HS coaches believe that Buzz is the sort to over-promise a kid in order to get them on campus.
If Buzz can't build that trust in WI and Chicago, MU will be in trouble.
Chicago yes, WI no.
Let's be honest, the talent in WI isn't worth a damn outside of Milwaukee and Madison. Just make sure the reputation is fine in those places. But with how national the recruiting base is, WI doesn't worry me all that much.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 15, 2009, 04:19:14 PM
Chicago yes, WI no.
Let's be honest, the talent in WI isn't worth a damn outside of Milwaukee and Madison. Just make sure the reputation is fine in those places. But with how national the recruiting base is, WI doesn't worry me all that much.
well considering the talent coming through just madison memorial the next few years, i would say it is a very big deal how the situation with maymon, and also vander, shakes out
And perhaps Buzz is anticipating that this will not reflect well on MU when Tim Maymon hits a microphone - so maybe he is trying to head it off a bit.
Bottom line is it appears as though JM quit. We may never have the entire truth on this one. But I am certain we will hear some negative diatribes vs/ MU in the next few days. This is what concerns me most, and how we handle that will be key.
Fulce and Erik - the floor is yours.
Quote from: bma725 on December 15, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
You of all people should know better than that. Thursday is media availability day, has been all year.
Actually, didn't know that. I was never on the SID side of the house.
I have a fever.
And the only prescription:
Haiku marathon.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 15, 2009, 10:49:31 AM
The kid ain't staying. What don't people get about that? His announcement coincides with the end of the semester. Jeronne will be eligible 2nd semester next season at his next destination.
I can't wait to see where this kid ends up. He's probably radioactive because of the father it seems. The best thing for him is probably to go 2000 miles away where the dad isn't anywhere near him. But again, this isn't a surprise since most people here knew the baggage 18 months ago.
Feel sorry for Buzz that he had to deal with it. If it's all true, I'm also sure he'd love to clear the air but really can't because of the sensitivities that will be involved. Tough spot for Buzz
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 15, 2009, 03:53:59 PM
Quiet office
Haikus hilarious
Everyone looking at me
not a haiku man
you need to learn proper form
five seven five dude
exquisite rhyming
disturbs the afternoon calm
dreary workaday
Quote from: downtown85 on December 15, 2009, 07:41:12 AM
one shouldn't yet expect an 18-year-old to be a professional about such things.
Remind me again when it became OK for a person to abandon his responsibilities just because he's 18 years old?