The funniest irony is the top 5 targets include four Big East schools, which of course the Little Ten fans thumb their noses at as inferior.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4735336
Maybe it would help them in hoops, where they still trail in all indexes in terms of conference ratings this year. ;D
What are the top 5 targets? The only school mentioned in the article is ND.
Maybe they should bring back U of Chicago!
If you're a football school in the BE, why would you want go to a conference with perennial powerhouses in Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan (aside from recent years) when you can stay in the BE and not have any standout programs in the way of the annual BCS bid (which pays just the same as it would in the BT).
If you're a basketball school in the BE, you'd have to be insane to consider leaving.
I'm sure the BT will try to poach a BE or other BCS school, but my guess is that if they realistically want 12 teams, they're going to have to look at the MAC (i.e. Northern Illinois).
Quote from: Benny B on December 12, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
If you're a football school in the BE, why would you want go to a conference with perennial powerhouses in Ohio State, Penn State, & Michigan (aside from recent years) when you can stay in the BE and not have any standout programs in the way of the annual BCS bid (which pays just the same as it would in the BT).
If you're a basketball school in the BE, you'd have to be insane to consider leaving.
I'm sure the BT will try to poach a BE or other BCS school, but my guess is that if they realistically want 12 teams, they're going to have to look at the MAC (i.e. Northern Illinois).
If I had to guess, they would go Big 12 and try to grab Missouri or Iowa State.
You join the Big 10 because it is a revenue COW for football.
Boise State would KILL to get in the BIGTEN.
It'd never happen though
As has been discussed many times on this site, Missouri is by far the most logical choice for the BT to expand. Boise State? NIU? cmon...
So if they do get another school added will they finally change the name of the conference to more accurately describe their conference?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 12, 2009, 10:39:16 AM
What are the top 5 targets? The only school mentioned in the article is ND.
Maybe they should bring back U of Chicago!
Notre Dame, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Missouri. Some talk of Nebraska as well.
Quote from: muarmy81 on December 12, 2009, 11:20:28 AM
So if they do get another school added will they finally change the name of the conference to more accurately describe their conference?
+1
Would they change it to Big Twelve II?
Mizzou to Big Ten
Arkansas to Big 12
Memphis to SEC
Big Ten gets a team that makes sense and that wants to be there, Big 12 gets an adequate replacement that seems to want to be there, and SEC gets another school that plays sports but has no academic standards. Everyone's happy. Then again, I guess Vanderbilt is the biggest oddball in the SEC because they have academic standards, so maybe the Big Ten should just take them.
florida and georgia have pretty darn good academics, check it out
chapman your post is right on! except i believe it will be either mizzou or iowa st. i agree, what will the new name be? with all that excellent tradition in the big 10, do you re-name the conference? lol. you have to at least redo the logo which has an 11 "hidden" in it. it would be insane to have 12 teams and call it the big 10. how bout the Great Midwest! bring it back baby! lol
Why not Louisville? It seems to make as much sense geographically as Missouri.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 12, 2009, 12:15:10 PM
Why not Louisville? It seems to make as much sense geographically as Missouri.
I believe that if you can FIND Louisville on a map, you are admitted.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 12, 2009, 12:17:25 PM
I believe that if you can FIND Louisville on a map, you are admitted.
The standards aren't even that high.
The Big Ten will thump their chests that they need a big market or a big academics due to their land grant research status. They would love ND, I don't see it.
I believe it will be Rutgers or Missouri. Getting into the East Coast by New York would be huge for the Big Ten...and Rutgers could compete well in the Big Ten since they are so soft in so many sports. ;D
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 12, 2009, 12:17:25 PM
I believe that if you can FIND Louisville on a map, you are admitted.
A team on the western side of Big Ten terrirtory makes the most sense. They could divide into two divisions looking something like this.
EASTPenn St
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
WESTNorthwestern
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska/Missouri
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 12, 2009, 12:15:10 PM
Why not Louisville? It seems to make as much sense geographically as Missouri.
Simple, academics. They simply won't consider any schools that aren't a part of the Association of American Universities. When you look at that list and factor in who plays high D1 sports and might be willing to move, there isn't a whole lot to choose from. Essentially you're left with the 5 usual suspects: Iowa State, Pitt, Rutgers, Missouri, and Syracuse.
They were willing in the past to waive that requirement for Notre Dame because of it's historical standing as an academic institution, but they wouldn't do it for anyone else.
So then I wonder, if one of those big east teams were to move to the dark side, who would replace them? Presuming we keep it at 16 teams of course.
Quote from: spiral97 on December 12, 2009, 12:34:09 PM
So then I wonder, if one of those big east teams were to move to the dark side, who would replace them? Presuming we keep it at 16 teams of course.
You might see the Big East conference break up, or you could see Memphis come in. Other options would be someone like East Carolina. They would need to replace a football school.
Quote from: spiral97 on December 12, 2009, 12:34:09 PM
So then I wonder, if one of those big east teams were to move to the dark side, who would replace them? Presuming we keep it at 16 teams of course.
Memphis
Unfortunately, Memphis makes sense. I was also wondering if BC might consider coming back. Not sure I'd foresee the conference breaking up quite yet.
I'm almost surprised that there isn't a conference driven initiative to try and get the b-ball only schools to add football. The major hurdle for that seems to be funding and you'd think the conference might consider incentivizing it with an offer of some portion of those funds - for the greater good of the conference. Granted they'd have to convince 4 of the 7 teams that don't have football to add it to make the 12 team ideal so it is a long shot but even getting 1 or 2 additions would be a big start in the right direction.
On a light note, if we got Oral Roberts (who are also nicknamed the Golden Eagles) to join, would that be enough to get Marquette to change our names once again? :D
If we added Oral Roberts, I think I would actually become physically ill.
In fact just the suggestion made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
No way Oral Roberts joins the Big East. As much as I dislike the scum that Memphis represents, if they can stay relevant post-Calipari, then thats fine with me. Memphis wouldn't be my first choice, but if it means keeping a 16 team conference, then go for it.
Quote from: spiral97 on December 12, 2009, 12:34:09 PM
So then I wonder, if one of those big east teams were to move to the dark side, who would replace them? Presuming we keep it at 16 teams of course.
They could always take Temple back, so long as they promise to win more than one game in football every two or three years.
Quote from: spiral97 on December 12, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
Unfortunately, Memphis makes sense. I was also wondering if BC might consider coming back. Not sure I'd foresee the conference breaking up quite yet.
I'm almost surprised that there isn't a conference driven initiative to try and get the b-ball only schools to add football. The major hurdle for that seems to be funding and you'd think the conference might consider incentivizing it with an offer of some portion of those funds - for the greater good of the conference. Granted they'd have to convince 4 of the 7 teams that don't have football to add it to make the 12 team ideal so it is a long shot but even getting 1 or 2 additions would be a big start in the right direction.
The problem is, none of the b-ball only schools are ones that can really look at adding football just because of the amount of money required. Even if they were to give some money, it still wouldn't be enough. Look at who the b-ball only schools are: MU, DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Georgetown, Villanova. It's all the smaller, private, religious institutions. The only one that could really afford to be D1 would be Gtown. Otherwise, they just can't afford it.
Especially in this day and age where even D2 football is too expensive for some schools, adding D1 seems an impossibility.
Quote from: spiral97 on December 12, 2009, 01:14:58 PM
On a light note, if we got Oral Roberts (who are also nicknamed the Golden Eagles) to join, would that be enough to get Marquette to change our names once again? :D
Well, they didn't seem to have much issue with Southern Miss in CUSA :-X
Quote from: bma725 on December 12, 2009, 01:32:54 PM
Even if they were to give some money, it still wouldn't be enough. Look at who the b-ball only schools are: MU, DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Georgetown, Villanova.
I don't really follow Big East football but doesn't Nova have a damn good FCS team that could make the jump as well?
A.) the oral roberts part was a joke.. I was just picking a golden eagle team and chose them as one of the least plausible schools on purpose :P
B.) BMA's response makes sense - I guess I just don't understand what would be required to add a football team. It'd be an interesting case study to read if someone had analyzed one such school and laid out all of the barriers and costs that would need to be overcome to make it happen.
Quote from: spiral97 on December 12, 2009, 01:47:53 PM
A.) the oral roberts part was a joke.. I was just picking a golden eagle team and chose them as one of the least plausible schools on purpose :P
B.) BMA's response makes sense - I guess I just don't understand what would be required to add a football team. It'd be an interesting case study to read if someone had analyzed one such school and laid out all of the barriers and costs that would need to be overcome to make it happen.
There is a lot required. A helluva lot.
I leave in the Atlanta area and if you think that Georgia and/or Fla academics are even close to a Michigan, Purd. NW, Ind, etc. you are very wrong.
BC would jump at a change to get in the Big 10. BC has a large alumni base in the Mid -West , especially the chicago area. The Big 10 would raises their profile there. They are completely lost on the ACC. Most people consider the ACC to be the teams in NC ( Duke, NCState, UNC Wake etc.) Most don't Even know that BC is in the ACC.
Missouri , however, is the most logical candidate.
Missouri would make sense:
-large state school
-no other prominent state school
-extends big ten into new territory
Iowa state would make sense since it'd lock up a large instate school much like michigan and Michigan state
BC to me makes more sense then Missouri or Iowa state in that:
- Adds the Big 10 to the east coast market
- BC has a hockey program that would Big 10 would dye for
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on December 12, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
Missouri would make sense:
-large state school
-no other prominent state school
-extends big ten into new territory
Iowa state would make sense since it'd lock up a large instate school much like michigan and Michigan state
Aside from academics, is the Big 10 THAT much more exclusive than the Big 12? Would Mizzou have that much incentive to switch? If so, why not Kansas? That makes just as much sense. And don't say "because KU has K-State as its rival," because I'd be willing to bet that 95% of KU fans care more about beating Mizzou than K-State.
I think the Big 10 would want Mizzou, but Iowa State has more to gain--in-state rival w/ Iowa; Mizzou has a better academic reputation and facilities, so Iowa State needs the affiliation.
If they snatch a Big East school, I'd agree that Memphis makes the jump from CUSA. I don't think BC's budging.
Quote from: MU_83_florida on December 12, 2009, 04:02:26 PM
BC to me makes more sense then Missouri or Iowa state in that:
- Adds the Big 10 to the east coast market
- BC has a hockey program that would Big 10 would dye for
Hockey conference affiliations are much different. There is no Big Ten conference for hockey and the Big Ten teams themselves are split up.
Quote from: chapman on December 12, 2009, 04:15:42 PM
Hockey conference affiliations are much different. There is no Big Ten conference for hockey and the Big Ten teams themselves are split up.
Yeah, Minnesota and Wisconsin are in a different hockey conference than Michigan and MSU. BC would probably remain in the hockey conference they're in.
The talk in college hockey circles is that the Big Twelven wants to make hockey a sanctioned sport. Apparently Penn State is considering fielding a DI ice hockey team and the fear is that the Big Twelven would create its own league thereby gutting the CCHA and leaving only the small schools to fend for themselves.
Of course, I could be wrong...
Quote from: syscokid on December 12, 2009, 12:10:38 PM
chapman your post is right on! except i believe it will be either mizzou or iowa st. i agree, what will the new name be? with all that excellent tradition in the big 10, do you re-name the conference? lol. you have to at least redo the logo which has an 11 "hidden" in it. it would be insane to have 12 teams and call it the big 10. how bout the Great Midwest! bring it back baby! lol
It will not be Iowa State. ISU brings nothing to the Big Ten as far as new television markets or revenue. And it really isn't all that large. Hell...Central Michigan makes just as much sense. The only reason the B10 makes this move is if the per school revenue increases by adding a 12th member. ISU won't do that.
My guesses: Notre Dame, Nebraska, Missouri. If Syracuse got their football act together, they would be a decent choice. Outside of that, I can't see anything happening.
The question was asked why Big 12 north schools would be interested in leaving. Well, the Big 10 is more lucrative, but also there are some concerns about how much $$$ the Texas schools make when compared to the rest of the conference. Their revenue sharing agreements aren't as "socialistic" as the Big Ten. I know that when Mack Brown floated the idea of permanently hosting the B12 championship game in Dallas because of its "central location" it raised some red flags.
Quote from: Benny B on December 12, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
my guess is that if they realistically want 12 teams, they're going to have to look at the MAC (i.e. Northern Illinois).
Ain't no way they take any MAC team
Quote from: MUSF on December 12, 2009, 12:30:04 PM
A team on the western side of Big Ten terrirtory makes the most sense. They could divide into two divisions looking something like this.
EAST
Penn St
Ohio St
Michigan
Michigan St
Indiana
Purdue
WEST
Northwestern
Illinois
Wisconsin
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska/Missouri
I think you would need to switch IL and NW with UM and MSU. No way you could have Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State in the same division. As long as you protect the UM/OSU rivalry like the SEC has done with some of their rivalries, that's OK.
(I know that isn't geographically accurate, but thats OK)
The expansion of the Big Ten would most logically be for Missouri. Two reasons: St. Louis and Kansas City. Getting those TV markets would help the Big Ten Network reach a significantly larger audience.
Cincinnatti and Pittsburgh would be distant 2nd to Missouri, but it would fit their agenda in terms of developing TV markets.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 13, 2009, 09:35:59 AM
I think you would need to switch IL and NW with UM and MSU. No way you could have Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State in the same division. As long as you protect the UM/OSU rivalry like the SEC has done with some of their rivalries, that's OK.
(I know that isn't geographically accurate, but thats OK)
I don't know, if you add Nebraska or Missouri, the west division matches up pretty favorably with the east. A football top 3 of Iowa, Wisconsin, Neb/Mis matches up well with Ohio St, Penn St, UM. Especially with UM's recent struggles. I think you would want to protect rivalries even if it is a little unbalanced. You can't put UM and MSU in seperate divisions, same goes for UM and OSU.
Quote from: MUSF on December 13, 2009, 03:04:27 PM
I don't know, if you add Nebraska or Missouri, the west division matches up pretty favorably with the east. A football top 3 of Iowa, Wisconsin, Neb/Mis matches up well with Ohio St, Penn St, UM. Especially with UM's recent struggles. I think you would want to protect rivalries even if it is a little unbalanced. You can't put UM and MSU in seperate divisions, same goes for UM and OSU.
You can protect the UM/OSU rivalry if they are in different divisions. The SEC has a number of cross division rivalries that are played every year (Tennessee v. Alabama for instance.)
Doesn't Nova have a D2 football team that is competing in the post season right now?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 12, 2009, 12:19:45 PM
Getting into the East Coast by New York would be huge for the Big Ten...and Rutgers could compete well in the Big Ten since they are so soft in so many sports.
I don't know a lot about the E. Coast market, but does getting Rutgers really make a splash there? They aren't even the most important basketball school in NY/NJ. It seems like BC would be a better choice for grabbing that market.
Quote from: muwarrior87 on December 13, 2009, 05:46:42 PM
Doesn't Nova have a D2 football team that is competing in the post season right now?
1-AA (FCS) along with Georgetown. Both teams are in the Patriot League
Rutgers wouldn't be a bad choice, but prob not the best. They did play in the first ever intercollegiate football game, (against Harvard I think) and have a nice football program. They would compete favorably with about half of the b10 basketball teams, and (as previously stated) they would expand the market for the b10 network to the east- a pretty healthy market.
On another note, I no longer hear the rumor that Northwestern is moving to the IV league, and the b10 will actually contain 10 teams again. interesting.
Quote from: chapman on December 12, 2009, 11:27:08 AM
Then again, I guess Vanderbilt is the biggest oddball in the SEC because they have academic standards, so maybe the Big Ten should just take them.
LOL!!! +1K
Quote from: augoman on December 14, 2009, 12:45:53 AM
Rutgers wouldn't be a bad choice, but prob not the best. They did play in the first ever intercollegiate football game, (against Harvard I think) and have a nice football program. They would compete favorably with about half of the b10 basketball teams, and (as previously stated) they would expand the market for the b10 network to the east- a pretty healthy market.
On another note, I no longer hear the rumor that Northwestern is moving to the IV league, and the b10 will actually contain 10 teams again. interesting.
Sometimes the people here seem to let their hatred of Wisconsin cloud their judgment. People have a real bug up their ass about Wisconsin. We lost a basketball game we expected to lose. Big deal. We'll get them next year. And some Wisconsin fans are a--holes. Big deal. No shortage of those in the world, inside and outside of Wisconsin. Get over it. And some people look at these things through the short-sighted eyes of a sports fan. Here is some reality:
1. The Big Ten may or may not expand, but it does not have to, and it is not going away. They'll be just fine.
2. The Big Ten is only secondarily an athletic conference. It is a group of excellent universities, some of the best in the nation. Someone here bragged about his MBA degree from Harvard. There are programs at various Big Ten universities that are more highly regarded than Harvard's, including the MBA program at at least one of them. People may resent Wisconsin and the comments of the people who went there or did not go there and be proud of their Marquette degrees. Great. But there is no denying that Wisconsin is an excellent university, regardless of whether a particular football player is smart or not. There is really not another comparable conference. The ACC and the PAC-10 each have some excellent universities and some mediocre ones. The SEC has Vanderbilt and 11 mediocre or worse ones.
So the BT is not going to admit any school that is not excellent academically. Notre Dame was a stretch. Somebody like Memphis is out of the question, no matter how many games they win or how big their television market. Don't know about Rutgers, but nobody is getting in strictly on the strength of their athletic program. Penn State was allowed in only on the condition that they boost their academic standing, and one of the primary incentives for them to join was exactly that. As soon as PSU joined, they started fundraising for a new library so that they would not be 11th in the Big Ten.
3. Northwestern is going nowhere, and the rumors that they are originate from idiots. Northwestern does not want to give up the exposure and money they get from being part of the Big Ten. The Big Ten does not want to give up the connection with one of the country's best universities. Athletic success is nice, but unnecessary, and only the people whose reading habits begin and end with the sportspage think differently.
All the BT universities are solid in most fields in excellent in some. So that limits the candidates. I do not know about the specifics, and whether Missouri or Iowa State would be good enough, but expansion, if any, will not be based solely or even mostly on either location or athletic success.
-Goatherder
B10 expansion is being pushed for hard by athletic programs within the conference. People like Joe Paterno and other respected coaches and ADs believe the conference needs to extend the football schedule to remain competitive in bowl games and relevant in the eyes of poll voters and recruits. This isn't a conspiracy being developed by Big Ten haters.
I, like many on this board I assume, am a lifetime big 10 fan. I love Big Ten football and root for most Big Ten teams in bball when they aren't playing MU. Some teams have worse fans than others but that is the same in every conference. I have no doubt that the B10 will consider academics when they look to expand but I believe it is only a matter of time. I hope they make the right choice. As a fan, I don't like the idea of expanding too far outside the midwest. That means no Rutgers or Boise St. I also would hate to see a school like Memphis in the B10. That is probably just personal bias but they seem like a lesser school and a shady program. I think the best options, from a fan's perspective, are ND, Missouri, Nebraska, and maybe Iowa St.
Who knows what will happen but what is a message board like this for if not wild speculation and arguing with strangers about topics most people don't give 2 sh**s about.
Who knows what will happen but what is a message board like this for if not wild speculation and arguing with strangers about topics most people don't give 2 sh**s about.
Touche!
Quote from: South Hall Warrior on December 13, 2009, 02:12:19 AM
The talk in college hockey circles is that the Big Twelven wants to make hockey a sanctioned sport. Apparently Penn State is considering fielding a DI ice hockey team and the fear is that the Big Twelven would create its own league thereby gutting the CCHA and leaving only the small schools to fend for themselves.
Of course, I could be wrong...
The Big Ten hockey conference is a long ways off. PSU has been considering a team for awhile and Illinois upgrading their club team has also been talked about. However, getting a hockey team started from essentially scratch is extremely difficult. Its not like PSU is playing D-II or something. They would most likely get absolutely embarrassed their first couple years and I don't know if a Big Ten conference would like that happening to one of their members.
Additionally, there would only be 6 teams, and thats not alot for a conference, especially if you are wanting a balanced schedule, respect, auto-bid to the NCAAs, etc... Thus they would probably have to bring in another 2 schools or so. Notre Dame and Miami of Ohio have been briefly mentioned in that capacity. But both are doubtful because despite their wishes, the B10 hockey conference is a LONG way from coming to pass.
Also, BC would never leave Hockey East and their rivalries with BU and others to join the B10 for hockey.
This expansion could be very likely, however, I don't think hockey will come into play in any way.
Quote from: Goatherder on December 14, 2009, 01:36:14 AM
Someone here bragged about his MBA degree from Harvard. There are programs at various Big Ten universities that are more highly regarded than Harvard's, including the MBA program at at least one of them.
First off, there was no bragging. Here are some rankings of the top B-Schools:
Business Week
1. Chicago
2. HBS
3. Northwestern
4. Penn
5. Michigan
6. Stanford
7. Columbia
8. Duke
9. MIT
10. Cal
US News
1. HBS
2. Stanford
3. Northwestern
3. Penn
5. MIT
5. Chicago
7. Cal
8. Dartmouth
9. Columbia
10. Yale
WSJ
1. HBS
2. Stanford
3. Northwestern
4. Penn
5. Michigan
6. Chicago
7. MIT
8. Columbia
9. Cal
10. Dartmouth
Last year while in Kansas City I heard a local sports radio guy say it would be logical for Kansa, Nebraska, and Missouri bolt the Big Twelve for a Big Eleven Fourteen. He said they would be on more equal footing in recruiting than competing with the OSU and OU's of the world and then the new conference could have two 7 team leagues and maybe one or two crossover games. Kansas would add to the BBall status and Nebraska to the Fball status.
Quote from: bs4173 on December 12, 2009, 04:08:52 PM
Would Mizzou have that much incentive to switch? If so, why not Kansas? That makes just as much sense.
If they snatch a Big East school, I'd agree that Memphis makes the jump from CUSA. I don't think BC's budging.
It's currently written into the Big Ten bylaws that any expansion has to either be within a current Big 10 territory (state), or in an adjoining territory (state).
Memphis or Kansas would not work for that reason.
http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5476
It has to be one of these schools since the Big Ten requires you to be a member.
I also don't understand the logic people use.
The question why a team would join a competitive football conference and at the same time wonder why they would want to leave the competitive BEast for BBall? Can't have it both ways.
Also, it comes down to the benjamins, I think the BEast is a better conference and am proud MU is part of it, but if a school gets an opportunity I would say they would leave the BEast for the Big Ten solely for the guaranteed Bowl game money that is split between the 12 schools.
1) The only schools that the Big 10 is looking at that might consider jumping would be pitt and rutgers. Missouri won't leave the b12 and their rivalry with kansas.
2) Gtown is no where close to moving up to real football(we lost every single game this year) If we got a crap load of money we could field a successful team in I-A but realistically we're a hell of a lot more likely to scrap football then move up. Nova seems to be moving in that direction but still is probably a while off. Gtown plays in the patriot. nova doesn't not sure what their league is.
3) I think what most likely happens is nothing. Big 10 really should look to a good mid major. Rutgers is the big east team most likely to be willing to leave but the team the big 10 probably wants the least. Not sure why Big10 is so high and mighty about academics. honestly outside of NWestern and Michigan their schools are not academically impressive. maybe i'm just a snob going to georgetown though.
Quote from: bs4173 on December 12, 2009, 04:08:52 PM
Aside from academics, is the Big 10 THAT much more exclusive than the Big 12? Would Mizzou have that much incentive to switch? If so, why not Kansas? That makes just as much sense. And don't say "because KU has K-State as its rival," because I'd be willing to bet that 95% of KU fans care more about beating Mizzou than K-State.
I think the Big 10 would want Mizzou, but Iowa State has more to gain--in-state rival w/ Iowa; Mizzou has a better academic reputation and facilities, so Iowa State needs the affiliation.
If they snatch a Big East school, I'd agree that Memphis makes the jump from CUSA. I don't think BC's budging.
Uh, scuse me, but ISU is one of the top academic schools in the Big 12 - Leads the Big 12 is student athlete graduation rates and academic performance. No way the Big 12 lets them go. Mizzou and ISU are founding charter members of the Big 6 as well. Many Big 12 championships happen in Kansas City, beneficial to both of theses schools. Each of these schools recruit heavily from Texas as well, which helps when playing in the Big 12. If any Big 12 school is open to leaving the Big 12, it is Colorado.
More on this today
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=4745381
Quote from: hoyasincebirth on December 15, 2009, 09:32:36 AM
1) The only schools that the Big 10 is looking at that might consider jumping would be pitt and rutgers. Missouri won't leave the b12 and their rivalry with kansas.
Missouri practically begged the Big Ten for admittance when Penn State was added. That might have changed over the past 15 years but still...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 15, 2009, 09:48:35 PM
Missouri practically begged the Big Ten for admittance when Penn State was added. That might have changed over the past 15 years but still...
Mizzou would love to be in the Big 10. They have a very strong rivalry with Illinois, too.
Articles from today.
The consensus among Big Ten sources, officials from other conferences and TV executives is that Rutgers offers the best package. Missouri is second and Pittsburgh third.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-big-ten-expansion-side-mar02,0,4339535.story
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0302-big-ten-foot--20100301,0,2940944.column
Interesting comments from John Marinatto about Villanova football. If there was a split in the BE, could they join the fball members?
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/7507/qa-with-big-east-commissioner-john-marinatto-part-ii
Scroll half way down.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on March 02, 2010, 10:36:40 AM
Interesting comments from John Marinatto about Villanova football. If there was a split in the BE, could they join the fball members?
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/7507/qa-with-big-east-commissioner-john-marinatto-part-ii
Scroll half way down.
Just assuming that we'll magically end up in the same conf as Georgetown and Nova is a recipe for disaster.
Quote from: goodgreatgrand on March 02, 2010, 10:36:40 AM
Interesting comments from John Marinatto about Villanova football. If there was a split in the BE, could they join the fball members?
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/id/7507/qa-with-big-east-commissioner-john-marinatto-part-ii
Scroll half way down.
The problem with that is that the BE is already by far the weakest BCS conference. Adding a recent FCS member just waters them down even more.
Sagarins final 2009 rankings showed Nova as 30th in the nation.
The Big East would probably start adding CUSA schools to get up to the magic football school number of 12...
Don't suggest that to Pitt or Cuse fans like I did. What a mistake that was! They destroyed my suggestion and our manager had to practically settle them down (a UConn alum). it's obviously a touchy subject here.
There are rumors of Texas joining, they tried to get in when Penn St. joined and the Big 11 turned them down. Now the rumors are starting up again. I think the conference will add 3 teams and I believe that the schools they want would be in this order....
ND
Texas, if Texas joins Texas A & M would have to come also.
Mizzu
Rutgers
Pitt
Syracuse
They want to get into the east coast media market bad, so I believe Rutgers and or Syracuse will happen.
I wish Marquette still had football, they would be a no brainer to join.
Congrats on great year so far in BB.... I think all you MU fans were correct about TC :( ...... He is really struggling at IU, I think he is in way over his head. He has not done one thing to impress me so far.
But oh well, 5 more years of average ball wont kill us IU fans.... after all the last relevant team IU had was in 94... outside of the lucky run in 02.