37-0? Wait, UWM claims win 108 years ago against MU Dental School
Written by: noreply@blogger.com (muwarrior92)
Forgive us for the late update, apparently there was a game last night against a huge rival and 19,000 screaming fans were expected to pack the joint. The Brew City Battle, the easties vs the westies, the Cream City Civil War, the Miltown Scrum, the pubes vs the privates......
Unfortunately it didn't happen. 14,400 fans, many taking on the Halloween disguise of blue Bradley Center seats, showed up to watch a rebuilding Marquette Golden Eagles squad defeat UWM (apparently they prefer to be called just Milwaukee but the memo hadn't reached us yet) for the 37th time in a row. MU has never lost in this series, making it the longest winning streak in NCAA history against one opponent without a loss. Syracuse has beaten Colgate 44 straight times, but has lost least once in that series.
Final score was Marquette 71, UWM 51.
Scuttlebutt in the local papers indicates MU will bend over even more in this series and go to a 2 for 1 deal in which MU plays 2 games at home and 1 game at UWM. Compared to a UW-Madison deal where 4 games are played in Madison and 1 game at UWM. The love fest that now exists between MU and UWM is at such levels we feel obligated to help out another school build up their program with no tangible benefit to ours. I'm sure somewhere, someone, has convinced themselves that traveling to UWM (and now UWGB) every other year will endear us in the hearts and minds of fans across the state of Wisconsin. Count me as highly skeptical. MU is a private, national university that has always been viewed with contempt by many of the other basketball programs (and fans) in the state. I don't see that changing one bit, but it certainly provides additional heft to their programs.
There's a reason why UCLA doesn't play AT Loyola Marymount, AT Long Beach State, AT UC Riverside, or why Georgetown doesn't play AT American University. Others will point to Xavier vs Cincinnati as an example where it works. Well yes, because Xavier and Cincinnati are both high quality basketball programs that go back decades. Maybe we want to adopt the DePaul & St. John's model of playing at Fordham or at UIC every so often....those are certainly two programs to emulate (that last line should be in teal).
37-0 officially now.....though for some comedic reading there are some UWM fans that claim the official records provided by BOTH institutions are wrong and that MU actually lost to UWM sometime between the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras. They actually believe that a win against the MU Dental School prior to us even having a team is supposed to count. (http://uwmfreak.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Games&action=display&thread=4995&page=4#75513) What's next, intramural victories? Pickup games with 3 UWM guys plus a MSOE grad student defeating a few MU guys and benchy from MATC? It's fun when they don't believe their own athletic department or the NCAA official record book. Must be a huge conspiracy.
A few articles from the "game" last night, including a nice article on George Koonce who is going through some trying times of late with the passing of his wife.
MU downs UWM 71-51 (Journal Sentinel) (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/78836652.html)
MU - UWM series to be extended and more given to UWM George Koonce finds comfort (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/78837682.html)
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2009/12/37-0-wait-uwm-claims-win-108-years-ago.html
Good lord, I knew people got worked up over UW but didn't realize there was such bile for UWM.
Quote from: CrackedSidewalksSays on December 09, 2009, 02:00:04 PM37-0 officially now.....though for some comedic reading there are some UWM fans that claim the official records provided by BOTH institutions are wrong and that MU actually lost to UWM sometime between the Paleozoic and Mesozoic eras. They actually believe that a win against the MU Dental School prior to us even having a team is supposed to count. (http://uwmfreak.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Games&action=display&thread=4995&page=4#75513) What's next, intramural victories? Pickup games with 3 UWM guys plus a MSOE grad student defeating a few MU guys and benchy from MATC? It's fun when they don't believe their own athletic department or the NCAA official record book. Must be a huge conspiracy.
My understanding is that the first win counted over UWM
was MU Dental School over Milwaukee Normal, and that the Marquette basketball records aren't there prior to that. Personally, I don't care about series records against non-D1 competition, and even the pristine 8-0 or whatever it is since UWM came up doesn't mean that much to me.
Quote from: CrackedSidewalksSays on December 09, 2009, 02:00:04 PM
There's a reason why UCLA doesn't play AT Loyola Marymount, AT Long Beach State, AT UC Riverside, or why Georgetown doesn't play AT American University. Others will point to Xavier vs Cincinnati as an example where it works. Well yes, because Xavier and Cincinnati are both high quality basketball programs that go back decades. Maybe we want to adopt the DePaul & St. John's model of playing at Fordham or at UIC every so often....those are certainly two programs to emulate (that last line should be in teal).
Then again, Georgetown has played at the courts of such lofty basketball schools as Savannah State, Fairfield, James Madison and The Citadel in recent years. Not saying that justifies the rumored 2-for-1 deal with UWM, but Marquette doesn't have the same scheduling options as UCLA, for hopefully obvious reasons.
Ultimately, I don't care that much whether the series continues or not, as long as I'm not constantly hearing about it. I'd be disappointed if the UWM and UWGB deals were a straight replacement for our standard major 1-for-1 and a buy game. Next year's schedule should be telling with UWM as an away game.
Quote from: dsfire on December 09, 2009, 02:41:51 PM
Good lord, I knew people got worked up over UW but didn't realize there was such bile for UWM.
My understanding is that the first win counted over UWM was MU Dental School over Milwaukee Normal, and that the Marquette basketball records aren't there prior to that. Personally, I don't care about series records against non-D1 competition, and even the pristine 8-0 or whatever it is since UWM came up doesn't mean that much to me.
Then again, Georgetown has played at the courts of such lofty basketball schools as Savannah State, Fairfield, James Madison and The Citadel in recent years. Not saying that justifies the rumored 2-for-1 deal with UWM, but Marquette doesn't have the same scheduling options as UCLA, for hopefully obvious reasons.
Ultimately, I don't care that much whether the series continues or not, as long as I'm not constantly hearing about it. I'd be disappointed if the UWM and UWGB deals were a straight replacement for our standard major 1-for-1 and a buy game. Next year's schedule should be telling with UWM as an away game.
That's because MU didn't field a basketball team prior to that date. UWM fans are claiming a win over MU 108 years ago, which is cute, especially considering MU didn't have a basketball team sponsored by the school 108 years ago.
Good for Georgetown....not sure what that has to do with cross town rivalries. I'm all for MU going to play road games at Valpo, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, etc....if you lose it's not helping someone in your own backyard. The UCLA example is just one. Very few schools travel cross town to play at another school unless they are considered on the same level (Cal - Stanford, UCLA - USC, Xavier - Cincinnati, Rice - Houston, SMU - TCU). There are exceptions, of course, but generally speaking. No upside for MU unless UWM becomes a good program year in and year out, but that's not what is happening right now.
Most of "bile" toward UWM is generated by UW-Madison and by UWM. Sniping in the press for years about not playing them. UW-Madison folks telling MU how to run their basketball program, etc, etc.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 09, 2009, 03:07:34 PM
Good for Georgetown....not sure what that has to do with cross town rivalries. I'm all for MU going to play road games at Valpo, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, etc....if you lose it's not helping someone in your own backyard. The UCLA example is just one. Very few schools travel cross town to play at another school unless they are considered on the same level (Cal - Stanford, UCLA - USC, Xavier - Cincinnati, Rice - Houston, SMU - TCU). There are exceptions, of course, but generally speaking. No upside for MU unless UWM becomes a good program year in and year out, but that's not what is happening right now.
And I don't see what a "cross town rivalry" has to do with whether it's worth inking a deal where you play an away game. If the quality of opponent justifies an away game - for however many home games you get in return - then it should be worth it whether you're travelling across town or across the country (travel budget concerns aside).
For what it's worth, Nova seems to have home-and-away deals with the other Philly D1 schools, though those seem to have a history of Big Five competition and even then some of the Nova fans have grumbled about dropping the series.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 09, 2009, 03:07:34 PM
Most of "bile" toward UWM is generated by UW-Madison and by UWM. Sniping in the press for years about not playing them. UW-Madison folks telling MU how to run their basketball program, etc, etc.
As I indicated, I've heard the same stuff. Most of the people that bring it up are just screwing around, and aren't prepared to discuss the issue beyond the surface. For the rest, you're just taking their bait. It's not worth getting worked-up over.
Just curious -- Where does UWM play its home games? The former MECCA? If somewhere else, what kind of place is it -- location, capacity, etc.?
It's the US Cellular Arena now, but yes. There seems to be some desire to play on campus but the facilities there would need a significant renovation, from what I've heard.
Playing at the MECCA UW@Milwaukee averaged about 3,700 attendees per game last season :p
No sporting event record of any kind is legitimate if it occurred prior to the Cubs last World Series win! Of course, that is just my opinion.
As for another topic in that UWM thread...nice to hear an MU grad won some $$ from his UWM brother. Gave him 18.5 points and still took his money.
I played point guard on that MUSOD team.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 09, 2009, 03:07:34 PM
That's because MU didn't field a basketball team prior to that date. UWM fans are claiming a win over MU 108 years ago, which is cute, especially considering MU didn't have a basketball team sponsored by the school 108 years ago.
Good for Georgetown....not sure what that has to do with cross town rivalries. I'm all for MU going to play road games at Valpo, Northern Illinois, Northern Iowa, etc....if you lose it's not helping someone in your own backyard. The UCLA example is just one. Very few schools travel cross town to play at another school unless they are considered on the same level (Cal - Stanford, UCLA - USC, Xavier - Cincinnati, Rice - Houston, SMU - TCU). There are exceptions, of course, but generally speaking. No upside for MU unless UWM becomes a good program year in and year out, but that's not what is happening right now.
Even further making the point, all the bolded series are conference matchups, so it's not really up to the schools involved as to whether to play each other.
Most of "bile" toward UWM is generated by UW-Madison and by UWM. Sniping in the press for years about not playing them. UW-Madison folks telling MU how to run their basketball program, etc, etc.