Did Lazar have 4 fouls at the end of the game? Why not foul Alabi on the block and force him to win it from the line? Also, why didn't Buycks pursue that loose ball near half court on the last FSU possesion. Would have been a risk worth taking (in hindsight of course).
Pretty happy with the tourney. MU looked gassed in the second half. We make some free throws in the second half and should have won by 4.
Well, I think Alabi was 19/20 at the line going into this game. He's so big he probably could have gotten the bucket and went to the line unless we really FOUL him which we don't seem to do. I knew they would get it to him since he has 6 inches on lazar and a great FT shooter.
Lazar had only three fouls. Plus we weren't in double bonus, so Alabi would have had to make both ends of 1-and-1. Whatever. Hindsight is 20-20.
I thought Buzz might throw Mbao in there to defend on that possession.
Good point, but as someone had said earlier, he's shooting 95% a clip.
Now, he hasn't played a lot in the game so he could've missed.
But then again, he could've missed the fadeaway on the baseline.
I thought the same thing on the deflection and the loose ball. I wasn't sure who the player was, but you mention it was Buycks. i thought he could have gone after the ball and at least disrupted the possession. Anyone have the game on tape so we could look at that?
Alabi is a 95% FT shooter with a SMALL sample size... This year.
he is a career 69.5% FT shooter.
If Buzz is the stats guy everyone claims he is, he should have known this.
I was screaming at my TV for Zar to foul him... which he should have.
I'd much rather have seen Alabi shoot the 1 and 1 rather than the 6 footer that was essentially uncontested.
i was out of my chair i thought Buycks could of had that ball. Buycks had a terrible game all around.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on November 29, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
I thought Buzz might throw Mbao in there to defend on that possession.
Mbao looked lost defending those last 2 inbound plays. It would have been very risky to have him defend someone that was moving.
Quote from: romey on November 29, 2009, 11:58:12 PM
I thought the same thing on the deflection and the loose ball. I wasn't sure who the player was, but you mention it was Buycks. i thought he could have gone after the ball and at least disrupted the possession. Anyone have the game on tape so we could look at that?
I saw that as well. Split second decision so you can't question it too much but maybe Buycks was worried about leaving his man and giving an open shot which would surely result in an ass whipping from Buzz and the fans so he stayed in his spot.
As for fouling Alabi, it would have been a sound decision not for his height but for his momentum. Hamilton went away from Alabi because he was ineffectual for most of the game. Why not put a guy on the line who's had his ass planted on the bench for all of the crucial play up to that point?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 30, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
Mbao looked lost defending those last 2 inbound plays. It would have been very risky to have him defend someone that was moving.
Really? How lost can someone look in 2.9 seconds, when their entire job is to wave their arms at a guy trying to inbound?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 30, 2009, 09:06:49 AM
It would have been very risky to have him defend someone that was moving.
I've seen this a couple times now, but I don't get this line of thinking.
Yes, he's inexperienced. He's not learning disabled. I think he could have been alright defending on that last play. Worst case scenario is the same result, basically. Lazar played him with his arms down. Might as well have been Mo defending that shot. At the very least Yous could have contested the shot.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 30, 2009, 09:23:17 AM
Really? How lost can someone look in 2.9 seconds, when their entire job is to wave their arms at a guy trying to inbound?
Yes, he was good the 2.9 seconds that he spent defending. It was the time in between inbounds where the bench had to keep yelling at him and pointing out where he had to stand for where the inbounding would be happening.
I'm not saying that the guy isn't ready to play garbage minutes. I'm just saying that at that point in the game either Mbao had no clue what was happening or he got so excited that he couldn't concentrate enough to figure out where to be.
He did jump quite a lot though. It's nice to know that he's got some hops :)
Now that's true. I did see Buzz pointing, etc. -- But I didn't think that was a big deal. Here's a guy who hadn't been in for 39 minutes and 57 seconds, and they are asking him to perform a specific duty that must not have been completely explained to him as he went in.
I don't fault him for not understanding what Buzz was excitedly ranting about.
What would have happened if DJO doesn't step on the line and the ball comes to Mbao? Do you think he would have tried to dunk it from the free throw line?
It stings we couldn't get the W, but fatigue played a MAJOR factor and I'm second guessing the decision to full court press the first half more than anything else.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 30, 2009, 09:40:25 AM
Now that's true. I did see Buzz pointing, etc. -- But I didn't think that was a big deal. Here's a guy who hadn't been in for 39 minutes and 57 seconds, and they are asking him to perform a specific duty that must not have been completely explained to him as he went in.
I don't fault him for not understanding what Buzz was excitedly ranting about.
Fair enough.
Last second decision on Buzz's part.. and a good one... it almost worked. And,I agree that fatigue had a large part in the fold at the end. JB missed 4 freethrows he normally would make and the last two were short. He should have had a blow late in the second quarter
Rather than foul, I would have liked us to double down with a guard and force them to beat us with a jump shot.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on November 29, 2009, 08:48:34 PM
I thought Buzz might throw Mbao in there to defend on that possession.
Mbao might have been able to harass Alabi if he just went down and posted him up but remember, FSU ran a set play which included a cross screen to allow Alabi to post up as low as possible. do you think Mbao would have been able to follow him through the screen as well as Zar?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 30, 2009, 08:42:37 AM
Alabi is a 95% FT shooter with a SMALL sample size... This year.
he is a career 69.5% FT shooter.
If Buzz is the stats guy everyone claims he is, he should have known this.
I was screaming at my TV for Zar to foul him... which he should have.
I'd much rather have seen Alabi shoot the 1 and 1 rather than the 6 footer that was essentially uncontested.
I hate fouling in that situation. First of all he is not Shaq, he has made free throws, small sample size or not 95% this year and near 70% for career is not horrible. Second, too many bad things can happen if we do try to intentionally foul. He makes the shot and it is an and 1 situation. THeir height could be enough where they get the rebound off of a free throw miss potentially making the situation into a 3, 4 or even 5 point play. I would rather take my chances that he misses. Its not like he was killing us consistently down low.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 30, 2009, 09:40:25 AM
Now that's true. I did see Buzz pointing, etc. -- But I didn't think that was a big deal. Here's a guy who hadn't been in for 39 minutes and 57 seconds, and they are asking him to perform a specific duty that must not have been completely explained to him as he went in.
I don't fault him for not understanding what Buzz was excitedly ranting about.
I would think that he should know the situation in the game. As a fan you are able to understand what Buzz is doing, so I would at least expect that our players would have their head in the game to know the situation as well.
I did like his effort once he understood his task.
Quote from: mufanatic on November 30, 2009, 12:30:24 PM
I hate fouling in that situation. First of all he is not Shaq, he has made free throws, small sample size or not 95% this year and near 70% for career is not horrible. Second, too many bad things can happen if we do try to intentionally foul. He makes the shot and it is an and 1 situation. THeir height could be enough where they get the rebound off of a free throw miss potentially making the situation into a 3, 4 or even 5 point play. I would rather take my chances that he misses. Its not like he was killing us consistently down low.
Which is why you foul him on the ground and make him shoot the 1 and 1... which is what I clearly said.
near 70% for career isn't horrible, but you put the guy on the line everytime, IMO.
Much better percentage to double the post and make him kick it out to a 3 point shooter then to foul him. 19-20 is a small sample but its not like he was only 4-5.
I'd take my chances with a tired player shooting a 3 point shot knowing he needed to make it or the game was over then a 7'1 guy shooting a 6 foot shot over a 6'6 guy.
Who knows we may have even gotten him to turn it over?
Am I the only person that holds their breath every time Buycks dribbles? dang he scares me when he puts the ball on the floor.
Quote from: jaygall31 on November 30, 2009, 03:17:12 PM
Am I the only person that holds their breath every time Buycks dribbles? dang he scares me when he puts the ball on the floor.
Nope.
I do that when Coobs has the ball.
Thought doubling down on the post would have been the right move. We had luck with steals earlier in the game before they got tired. I am wondering what the team was doing Saturday as they did have a full off day. If Buzz did sense they were going to be tired then why push it so much in the first half? There was a sequence with turnovers and bad shots in the first half where if they had set up, they might have both built the lead and also saved some energy. You can only play at that pace if you can last or are willing to play a deep bench to give everyone their rest.
Finally, it looked like Buycks had a chance on the free ball but if you looked there was no one else on that side but him leaving his man open for an easy 10 footer or driving the lane.
tiotally agree on the energy aspect of pressing in the first half. If you're going to do that you absolutely have to play more people. Would it have been so wrong to give EWill and Mbao three minutes each just to keep legs fresh?
At one point in the first half it appeared that E Will was coming into the game.
Then there was a dead ball and a TV time out. When they came back he
was on the bench. Would have been nice to see what he could might have brought to the Offense.