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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: GoMarquetteSays on November 23, 2009, 09:45:04 PM
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Otule To Miss Remainder Of 2009-10 With Foot Injury
Marquette University sophomore center Chris Otule will more than likely miss the remainder of the 2009-10 season after suffering a fractured right foot in practice Monday afternoon, head coach Buzz Williams announced.
http://onlyfans.cstv.com/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/112309aah.html
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We are going to have a really, really short bench tomorrow.
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Damn it! Red shirt. He can use the extra year to develop.
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Fork.. and spoons.. ugh.
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What is it with us and big men. Otule, then Liam, now Otule again. for that matter what is it with us and foot injuries. Jez this team is snake bit.
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the Floor at the AL?
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my prediction for the season of 14 to 17 wins took a hit. 12th place is about right now.
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Wow. Unbelievable. Losing both Jr and Otule is a brutal, brutal twist of fate. All we need is for either the DJO or the Buycks injuries to be more serious than anticipated and this season is going to turn real ugly, real fast.
So, I refuse to stay negative, and I choose to channel the Thanksgiving Spirit and find the silver lining. I'm thankful that this means Mbao will get a lot of floor time this season. From all accounts, he's going to be very raw and make a lot of mistakes. If he improves every game, though, he has the size to be a great asset over his time at Marquette. Don't forget that Hasheem Thabeet was this raw when he showed up at UCONN -- and now there's no excuse NOT to give Mbao every opportunity to improve. Feast or famine, baby.
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id say 12th at best unless mbao comes out blazing.
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this is a sick and cruel joke...it honestly has to be!
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A freak foot injury in practice? You don't say. ::) It's just cruel how old this is getting.
He'll qualify for the medical redshirt. Time for a scholarship table update :'(
Things that come to mind:
-While balancing classes is overrated, a two year Juco will be one class ahead of Otule and Yous and give some insurance while they develop. Also puts another body in the class with DJO.
-Yous is going to get every chance to develop into Thabeet Jr. Hopefully he's up for the challenge.
-Another reason to believe it's going to be a long season. Though we're talking about someone who wasn't playing a ton of minutes....yet.
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FRAK FRAK FRAK!
Did Aspirilla sign yet?
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We are going to have a really, really short bench tomorrow.
I assume you are not talking about the two midgets that are getting a lot of playing time at guard.
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this is getting ridiculous.
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Offensively, this won't have much of an impact. Defensively it will hurt. Yous will get thrown around like a rag doll.
Guards are going to have to step up HUGE. Last year they managed to hide their height deficiency fairly well, but the guard play (esp. defense) was off the charts good.
Rip that GD floor up. Practice on marshmallows from here on out.
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J-May is the guy who will need to step up the most.
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Ouch. Serious ouch.
Thank heavens I just saved so much money on my car insurance by switching to GEICO.
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Can Frozen A play any 5?
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I'm glad I didn't buy season tickets this year. I'll watch every game on TV, but would rather spare the heartache with all these injuries. And yes, I'm hoping that I hit myself for not purchasing tickets, Lazar becomes even more of a beast then he already is, and we make an incredible run.
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Can Frozen A play any 5?
Yes. Buzz converting to a 5 out and 0 in offense. With JB shooting 80% on threes, who needs a rebounder?
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FRAK FRAK FRAK!
Did Aspirilla sign yet?
I guess he's gone to K-State. As far as what's left, I'd like to see/hear more on the guy Iceman brought up on this thread, Darrell Williams (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=16151). Chicago native, Texas Juco, has had games of 14/8, 14/8, 6/11, 13/15 already this year. Good size, would have at least as much experience as any of our 4/5s next year. If Buzz would enter the race, it looks like we only have to beat out the likes of DePaul and Gonzaga to get him. On paper he at least seems like the most ideal player we should/would/could have a realistic chance of bringing in next year.
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Rip that GD floor up. Practice on marshmallows from here on out.
(http://marriageconfessions.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/stay-puft-marshmallow-man.jpg)
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All the serious injuries seem to happen while we're in practice... is it possible practice makes us worse?!
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im really getting sick of this.
enough is enough.
watching all the other BE teams the last few days, I'm starting to get really nervous about our prospects this season.
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All the serious injuries seem to happen while we're in practice... is it possible practice makes us worse?!
YOU TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE?!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PmvsWE1k-7w/SkI6fLeyYpI/AAAAAAAAAVU/V8SEeww8ZFA/s400/iverson.jpg)
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Otule fractures foot
If it weren't for bad luck, Chris Otule would probably have none at all.
The 6-foot-10 sophomore center, who missed the first 10 games of last season after fracturing his left foot in practice, broke his right foot in practice on Monday night, and will likely miss the rest of this season as a result.
“We are extremely hurt for Chris,” coach Buzz Williams said in a statement released by the school. “His development since the end of last season has been extraordinary. He has grown as a person and that was reflective in who he was becoming as a player. His game and confidence were growing daily, and though his stats do not reveal it, there was a residual positive impact for what he was giving our team on both ends of the floor.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/72110447.html
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I will be in the lab working on some new profanities...
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im really getting sick of this.
enough is enough.
watching all the other BE teams the last few days, I'm starting to get really nervous about our prospects this season.
Just nervous now? when did you think we had a chance to finish in top 10 of conference?
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Even if he is redshirted, what are the chances of a 6'10 guy coming back from fractures of both feet. Sad, MU is going to really struggle down low this year.
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I blame the Jordans.
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YOU TALKIN BOUT PRACTICE?!
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PmvsWE1k-7w/SkI6fLeyYpI/AAAAAAAAAVU/V8SEeww8ZFA/s400/iverson.jpg)
Im usually selfish and get upset because the team gets hurt, but this time I really feel bad for this kid... He worked his ass off the past 2 yrs and got to play like 5 games and very few meaningful minutes. Best of luck and maybe he can somehow become one of those successful 5th yr seniors and it ends up being a blessing in disguise for him and the team
We talkin about practice man...
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Alright.. I've been an Otule supporter and have had lots of hope on him developing into his potential.. hard to swallow this news for him after seeing him deal with injury last year.. hoping his recovery is swift and he can resume growing in his basketball ways as he seems to have been doing recently..
that said.. I wondered how this impacts the team contribution wise.. hard to measure intangibles so I had to go look at the raw numbers.. this is henry sugar's territory I know but I had to see for myself what we're losing.. used gomarquette's cumulative stats summary at http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2009-2010/teamcume.html
The part we'll miss (in no particular order):
62.5% FG shooter (RobFro is 1-1 so Otule is #2 or #3 depending on whether you consider that valid)
6th in points/minute (.44)
4th in FG made/minute
5th in rebounds/minute
5 blocked shots (1 per game which is number 1 on the team)
started 1 game
The part we probably won't (in no particular order):
FG % is tempered by only 8 shots taken (8th on team)
9th in minutes/game (8.3)
0 three pt shots attempted
16.7% FT shooter (1-6)
2 rebounds/game (7th on team)
0 assists
3 turnovers - .12 per minute (worst on team)
3.7 pts per game (8th) and 7th in
0 steals (Mbao and Frozena only other players without at least 1 steal)
All in all.. sounds like a decent 7th/8th man we're losing.. now. My sadness is because I think he could possibly have worked up to somewhere around 4th or 5th by end of the season and that we will miss. On the other hand, I'm not despairing because I think that void at the end will be filled by someone else growing faster from having more on their shoulders. In other words, I don't think this is the season and still hold out reasonable (I think) hope that we'll do better than 12th place. I just hope he can pick up where he left off when he starts back up again next year.
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Alright.. I've been an Otule supporter and have had lots of hope on him developing into his potential.. hard to swallow this news for him after seeing him deal with injury last year.. hoping his recovery is swift and he can resume growing in his basketball ways as he seems to have been doing recently..
that said.. I wondered how this impacts the team contribution wise.. hard to measure intangibles so I had to go look at the raw numbers.. this is henry sugar's territory I know but I had to see for myself what we're losing.. used gomarquette's cumulative stats summary at http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2009-2010/teamcume.html
The part we'll miss (in no particular order):
62.5% FG shooter (RobFro is 1-1 so Otule is #2 or #3 depending on whether you consider that valid)
6th in points/minute (.44)
4th in FG made/minute
5th in rebounds/minute
5 blocked shots (1 per game which is number 1 on the team)
started 1 game
The part we probably won't (in no particular order):
FG % is tempered by only 8 shots taken (8th on team)
9th in minutes/game (8.3)
0 three pt shots attempted
16.7% FT shooter (1-6)
2 rebounds/game (7th on team)
0 assists
3 turnovers - .12 per minute (worst on team)
3.7 pts per game (8th) and 7th in
0 steals (Mbao and Frozena only other players without at least 1 steal)
All in all.. sounds like a decent 7th/8th man we're losing.. now. My sadness is because I think he could possibly have worked up to somewhere around 4th or 5th by end of the season and that we will miss. On the other hand, I'm not despairing because I think that void at the end will be filled by someone else growing faster from having more on their shoulders. In other words, I don't think this is the season and still hold out reasonable (I think) hope that we'll do better than 12th place. I just hope he can pick up where he left off when he starts back up again next year.
very small sample size but I agree that this is a bigger detriment to the team than what it might seem at first glance. in my opinion, from what ive heard/read from buzz this has got to kill him...Otule was out biggest post body/presence and was likely going to be used like Burke was last year. Buzz started him this last game and I believe would have done so most of the season, even though he wouldnt have played as many minutes as other post players such as Maymon. Also, he would have helped yous grow and vice versa.
Now, buzz is in a much tougher position. 2 guys that I think this will affect the most- Maymon and Mbao. Even though buzz prob didnt wanna play mbao much, esp early, he might just have to. If mbao is completely lost, Mr maymon may be playing outta position a whole heck of alot this season....I suppose its better than not playing at all?!
and to think jeronne came to college with the belief that he could play the 2, now he may be playing the 5 ::) welcome to college kid, buckle up and hunker down
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As far as what's left, I'd like to see/hear more on the guy Iceman brought up on this thread, Darrell Williams (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=16151). Chicago native, Texas Juco, has had games of 14/8, 14/8, 6/11, 13/15 already this year. Good size, would have at least as much experience as any of our 4/5s next year. If Buzz would enter the race, it looks like we only have to beat out the likes of DePaul and Gonzaga to get him. On paper he at least seems like the most ideal player we should/would/could have a realistic chance of bringing in next year.
You and me, both, Chapman! BMA, do you know anything about this kid?
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somebody just bumped an old thread from last year, right? RIGHT??? This CAN'T be happening again.
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Well, I doubt Otule will have much of a career at MU now after this. Just seems way too injury prone.
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Well, I doubt Otule will have much of a career at MU now after this. Just seems way too injury prone.
oh come on.. kinsella had like 4 major injuries.. at least two of which were with his right foot.. and he turned out to be an 80% 3pt shooter for MU in his final season.
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oh come on.. kinsella had like 4 major injuries.. at least two of which were with his right foot.. and he turned out to be an 80% 3pt shooter for MU in his final season.
Now that's funny. At least, I think you were being funny. :-\
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Now that's funny. At least, I think you were being funny. :-\
it was tongue in cheek, yes.
but there was a very slight seriousness to it too.. he came back.. he played.. and did decent considering the time he lost.. further, he went on to play professional b-ball.. a bit premature to say otule's career (MU or otherwise) is over.
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Ah yes, he does have plenty of eligibility left to play at MU. But I can't say I like the Kinsella comparisons, makes me think of recurring injuries!
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this is getting ridiculous.
I've never seen anything like this. One serious foot injury after another, Fulce with knee/foot injuries, and Liam has to quit playing basketball. Simply insane. Can't anyone on this team just twist an ankle or get say a sore quad and only miss a few games instead of nearly every injury the team has being a serious year long deal? Wow, Buzz sure can't catch a break health wise.
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I've never seen anything like this. One serious foot injury after another, Fulce with knee/foot injuries, and Liam has to quit playing basketball. Simply insane. Can't anyone on this team just twist an ankle or get say a sore quad and only miss a few games instead of nearly every injury the team has being a serious year long deal? Wow, Buzz sure can't catch a break health wise.
haven't heard the dwight buycks news?
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This is depressing. Otule's development this year was one of the keys in my mind to the ceiling for this team going forward over the next couple years. This sure isn't going to help. As depressing as it is for us as fans, hard to fathom how it is for the team, coaches and Otule in particular. What a shame. Something like this seems to happen to us every year to at least one guy, and often more.
Even though Chris has a long was to go, the presence of a guy with legit size would have been an important factor for this team.
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He needs to drink more milk to get stronger bones. It does a body good. Unreal. Amazing. We have got to be the most snakebit team over a long period. Is 03 the last year we got through without significant injuries?
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Is 03 the last year we got through without significant injuries?
Diener was gimpy for the Kansas game; would have made all the difference.
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Yikes! :o
Not the news anyone wanted to hear
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Time to visit the Good Feet Store LeRoy Butler speaks of.
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I'll be interested to hear whether this was a stress type fracture or if it was caused by a blow to the foot. A lot of big men have problems with their feet. If it was a stress injury, I hope they can figure out what is going wrong and get things fixed for Chris. Zydrounas Ilgauska (Cleveland Cavaliers) had multiple stress fractures early in his carreer and a lot of people thought he would never be able to play much in the NBA, but they somehow figured it out and he's been playing for 12 or so years now.
I hope Chris recovers fully and has a great career at Marquette. I'm really disappointed by this because I expected a great year from Chris.
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(head smashing on keyboard)
really though, this loss hurts.
calling J-May, Mbao, and Ewilliams... its your time to prove yourselves.
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Any odd-looking 7 footers on campus available as walk-ons?
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Better get those 25lbs on Mbao in the next week.
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Really makes you wish that Damian Saunders had the grades to be accepted by Marquette/didn't get arrested for possession of a controlled substance/former coach didn't oversign the class.
He is averaging 16.5 points per game and 17.5 rebounds per game for Duquesne this year. He would also be a Senior this year, which would have helped out in the experience/leadership department as well.
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17.5 rebounds and 210 LBs
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19.0 and 15.3.
but who cares, its Duquesne.
They blew out formidable Nicholls St.
They squeaked Iowa, a perennial Big 10 powerhouse
and they crushed the Mid-Major Binghamton while at home last night.
whopdie do.
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19.0 and 15.3.
but who cares, its Duquesne.
They blew out formidable Nicholls St.
They squeaked Iowa, a perennial Big 10 powerhouse
and they crushed the Mid-Major Binghamton while at home last night.
whopdie do.
I'm not one who typically plays "what might have been" with recruits who didn't come or with players who transfer, but your post is ridiculous. Who from our team is putting up those kind of numbers against the cupcakes we've played? Saunders is averaging more points than anyone on Marquette and more than twice as many rebounds as anyone on Marquette. And he's done it against a schedule that is at least comparable to the schedule we've played (and that's being generous to our schedule -- Sagarin ranks Duquesne's schedule at 299 and Marquette's at 346). Last year Saunders averaged 13.1/7.6 (nearly a double double if we're using the same standard that resulted in Rosiak saying our most recent Stud of the Game almost had a triple double with his 10/10/7).
I'm not saying that we should have taken Saunders, but he is a hell of a player who certainly would be a contributor on this team. And it's crazy to downplay his performance by citing Duquesne's soft schedule when no Marquette player has done nearly as well against even weaker opponents.
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Anyone think Roseboro would be helpful in this situation, or was he a player that was at least a year away from any contribution? I never saw him play so I have no idea.
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I've never seen anything like this. One serious foot injury after another, Fulce with knee/foot injuries, and Liam has to quit playing basketball. Simply insane. Can't anyone on this team just twist an ankle or get say a sore quad and only miss a few games instead of nearly every injury the team has being a serious year long deal? Wow, Buzz sure can't catch a break health wise.
Some random questions:
Does Bucky, with his collection of oversized basketball bigs, have as many foot injuries as we seem to have in the fairly recent past?
Is anyone on staff ooking expertly at our pre-practice training/taping procedures?
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Anyone think Roseboro would be helpful in this situation, or was he a player that was at least a year away from any contribution? I never saw him play so I have no idea.
From all reports, Roseboro was not even 4 years away from any contribution. He likely would never have seen the floor.
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I'm not one who typically plays "what might have been" with recruits who didn't come or with players who transfer, but your post is ridiculous. Who from our team is putting up those kind of numbers against the cupcakes we've played? Saunders is averaging more points than anyone on Marquette and more than twice as many rebounds as anyone on Marquette. And he's done it against a schedule that is at least comparable to the schedule we've played (and that's being generous to our schedule -- Sagarin ranks Duquesne's schedule at 299 and Marquette's at 346). Last year Saunders averaged 13.1/7.6 (nearly a double double if we're using the same standard that resulted in Rosiak saying our most recent Stud of the Game almost had a triple double with his 10/10/7).
I'm not saying that we should have taken Saunders, but he is a hell of a player who certainly would be a contributor on this team. And it's crazy to downplay his performance by citing Duquesne's soft schedule when no Marquette player has done nearly as well against even weaker opponents.
And actually he's had some of his best games against the best teams.
Last year vs:
Duke: 22 pts, 10 rebounds
Pitt: 15 pts, 6 rebounds
WVU: 16 pts, 7 rebounds
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well we could play, "what might have been" all day with any number of players, but that doesn't change where the team is today.
for the record I will give you that Saunders has played well.
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for the record I will give you that Saunders has played well.
Too bad that TC pushed him out the door to make way for Mbakwe. Not sure which of those two was the bigger character risk.
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Too bad that TC pushed him out the door to make way for Mbakwe. Not sure which of those two was the bigger character risk.
Ignorance...if it was simply a matter of "pushing him out the door," Hazel would have been the one that was pushed.
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He would also be a Senior this year, which would have helped out in the experience/leadership department as well.
He would have been a junior this year.
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From all reports, Roseboro was not even 4 years away from any contribution. He likely would never have seen the floor.
Sure he would've seen the floor.
From his seat at the end of the bench.
Really though...he might have seen some minutes just to spell Mbao and/or be foul fodder.
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Too bad that TC pushed him out the door to make way for Mbakwe. Not sure which of those two was the bigger character risk.
Facts are not in your bag are they?
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On the positive side of this. By most accounts this was going to be a rebuilding year at MU and now Erik Williams and Jeronne Maymon will be getting lots of PT which will get them better prepared for next year.
And Yous is going to have to step in and take alot more minutes...
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The floor of the AL should be evaluated in regards to having the least strain and impact on the players legs, knees, ankles, foot etc.. The AL is to get a lot of practise in and should incur the least amount of undue strain on the legs, knees, ankles and foot. If one can't say the current floor offers that, it is painfully obvious to me it should be replace ASAP with one that is. Unfortunately, practically that would probably be after the season.
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There's gotta be something with the floor, or the training staff, or something. I can't believe all these practice injuries are a fluke.
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Any odd-looking 7 footers on campus available as walk-ons?
I'm only 6'2", but I was leading scorer playing post for my freshman team in high school. That was only 7 years ago. Plus, I've never had a foot injury. When do I start?
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I'm only 6'2", but I was leading scorer playing post for my freshman team in high school. That was only 7 years ago. Plus, I've never had a foot injury. When do I start?
Go wait outside the all where Buzz parks. When he shows up just box him out as well as you can. He'll probably set up a press conference for you tonight at some point if you do a good enough job so that you can sign your liability waivers. Then by tomorrow morning they'll have the hoops lowered at the Al so that you can have a dunk contest against Acker.
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The floor of the AL should be evaluated in regards to having the least strain and impact on the players legs, knees, ankles, foot etc..
FWIW, IWB reported that Otule was injured during practice at the Bradley Center yesterday, not the AL.
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And if I do recall correctly, Otule's fractured foot last year was a product of getting stepped on - not something related to the floor of the Al
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As pros have their acquired players pass physicals, do college programs go through the physical evaluation as well when signing a recruits? I don't agree with the "it's the floor" camp. Rather, I feel these players have been physically stressed for much of their young lives with limited concern for their health. As a former MU athlete, I know any injury pre-MU was treated with tape, ibuprofen and rest. At MU, the trainers definitely looked after you. I stress "after" as there was not much in the way of preventative treatment. I digress. Are we landing soft or problematic talent that screenings would catch? I just cant believe its shoes or a regulation hardwood court that is decimating our boys.
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I don't know of many injuries for the women's bball or vball teams. They use the same court and I understand that women typically have more lower extremity injuries (based on US Navy study) than men so ... odds are that the court is not the issue.
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He would have been a junior this year.
You are right, for some reason I thought he sat out a year.
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Correct about IWB's report that Otule's injury (2009 model) happened at the Bradley Center. It occurs to me that some programs recruit bigs with footwork like Bill Walton, we recruit bigs with feet that work like Bill Walton's.
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Otule seemed to me to be someone who would be a good teammate, keeping everyone loose with his personality. I hope he keeps his chin up and comes back strong next year.