Granted - he is not a buzz type player, he is putting up some numbers in the early going at Iowa state: See stats: http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36626 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36626)
Thank you for hitting that shot from the corner, against Cincy 2 years ago.
i think that is simply wonderful, i am sure scott chrsitopherson is a great kid and deserves good things to happen to him. he simply would never see the light of day on the MU bench he would be firmly seated next to Frozena, a celler big 12 or cellar dweller big 10 ;) type team is best for him, sort of like stepping down to the JV to get some minutes.
I think he was better than most people give him credit for.
Quote from: bilsu on November 23, 2009, 09:12:15 AM
I think he was better than most people give him credit for.
Agreed.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on November 23, 2009, 09:07:29 AM
i think that is simply wonderful, i am sure scott chrsitopherson is a great kid and deserves good things to happen to him. he simply would never see the light of day on the MU bench he would be firmly seated next to Frozena, a celler big 12 or cellar dweller big 10 ;) type team is best for him, sort of like stepping down to the JV to get some minutes.
Right, we couldn't use a spot up shooter on this team.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on November 23, 2009, 09:07:29 AM
i think that is simply wonderful, i am sure scott chrsitopherson is a great kid and deserves good things to happen to him. he simply would never see the light of day on the MU bench he would be firmly seated next to Frozena, a celler big 12 or cellar dweller big 10 ;) type team is best for him, sort of like stepping down to the JV to get some minutes.
Scott Christopherson would be the best shooter on this team.
He fits well as a role player off the bench.
I struggle to see how he would've started for us especially if he couldn't hang with DJ in the scrimmages.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 23, 2009, 09:59:49 AM
Scott Christopherson would be the best shooter on this team.
And also worst defender and ballhandler - at least among the backcourt players - two issues that would keep him from any significant PT competing against Buycks and DJO.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 23, 2009, 09:59:49 AM
Scott Christopherson would be the best shooter on this team.
But does that mean he would get minutes? Steve Novak is the best shooter on the Clippers (a horrible team) and most games he could probably wear flip flops on the bench because he isn't getting pt.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2009, 10:25:28 AM
And also worst defender and ballhandler - at least among the backcourt players - two issues that would keep him from any significant PT competing against Buycks and DJO.
I agree with Pakuni... really bad defender but given our lack of depth at guard this year (see Buycks posting in another thread as a scary reminder) we could use him.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2009, 10:25:28 AM
And also worst defender and ballhandler - at least among the backcourt players - two issues that would keep him from any significant PT competing against Buycks and DJO.
I generally agree with you, but having a shooter like him on the floor would have been helpful last year, and would be helpful this year too.
We will see how he does in the big 12 but as of now I think their is very little doubt he could help us.
He is not turning it over and is shooting it lights out. 5 assists in 29 minutes against a better team then any we have played so far.
The fact that he struggled against DJ 2 years ago means nothing. Who didn't struggle against DJ?
Maybe he has gotten better since he was here?
It does happen.......kids get older......learn more.....work hard on their weaknesses and actually improve.
Wasn't there a rumore that Christopherson pummelled one of our recruits in a scrimmage?
I liked him, by the way. Hope he does well at Iowa St!
Wow some people are really dumb when it comes to basketball. IS he a good shooter? sure he is these are probaably the same people that say Ewill and otule should play more.....If you cannot defnd your positon you will not play and Buzz is no different than 99% of the coaches out there in this regard. Chrsitopherson would sit next to Frozena and maybe go in for a minute here or there if we saw a zone.
otherwise he would never play, he was one of the worst dribblers i have ever seen at Mu for a guard. he literally could not dribble or do anything with his left hand, additionally he was slow.
Here is a question for the experts who would you like to remove in place of chrsitopherson this year?...and next year?
thanks for your answers.
oh lastly...here are the 3 point shooting prcentages for our guys...Butler-80%, Buycks- 50%, Acker 38%, DJO 43%.
I will take those percentages and everything else those guys bring to the table. even Acker and Cubi are more valubale can SC push the ball like acker or defend like cubo or handle the ball for that matter as well as either one? If we had SC this year and not Acker or Cubi we would be in trouble.
SC an OK player on a terrible team playing against terrible competiotn and has hit a few more threes than ordinary over a short time frame. absolutely nothing to get excited over and no reason to wish we still had him, especially when you look at our current roster and next years
I don't think he would play very often on our roster. He would give the student section another name to chant at the end of blow outs though. I think he would steal minutes from Big Rob too.
He defriended me after he transfered, so I can no longer wish him well.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 23, 2009, 10:40:03 AM
Wasn't there a rumore that Christopherson pummelled one of our recruits in a scrimmage?
I liked him, by the way. Hope he does well at Iowa St!
I think it was at a party actually
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on November 23, 2009, 10:48:21 AM
Wow some people are really dumb when it comes to basketball. IS he a good shooter? sure he is these are probaably the same people that say Ewill and otule should play more.....If you cannot defnd your positon you will not play and Buzz is no different than 99% of the coaches out there in this regard. Chrsitopherson would sit next to Frozena and maybe go in for a minute here or there if we saw a zone.
otherwise he would never play, he was one of the worst dribblers i have ever seen at Mu for a guard. he literally could not dribble or do anything with his left hand, additionally he was slow.
Here is a question for the experts who would you like to remove in place of chrsitopherson this year?...and next year?
thanks for your answers.
oh lastly...here are the 3 point shooting prcentages for our guys...Butler-80%, Buycks- 50%, Acker 38%, DJO 43%.
I will take those percentages and everything else those guys bring to the table. even Acker and Cubi are more valubale can SC push the ball like acker or defend like cubo or handle the ball for that matter as well as either one? If we had SC this year and not Acker or Cubi we would be in trouble.
SC an OK player on a terrible team playing against terrible competiotn and has hit a few more threes than ordinary over a short time frame. absolutely nothing to get excited over and no reason to wish we still had him, especially when you look at our current roster and next years
I know you are a creature of extremes... and while I partially agree with you, I just don't think the kid is as terrible as you think he is.
We have a spot open this year as it is; noone would have to be replaced for this year.
The percentages you threw out, Mr. Hayward, are for three games against three teams rated lower than 280, I believe, according to Pomeroy. Butler (who's obviously a good ballplayer) shooting 80% isn't going to last, you know that.
This team will not continue to shoot .355 from beyond the arc.
Chill with the "stupid" comments. People are posting opinions and calling an opinion stupid is a bit irritating.
I apologize. Swap "stupid" for "dumb".
Quote from: Boognish_MU on November 23, 2009, 10:50:53 AM
He defriended me after he transfered, so I can no longer wish him well.
Ok... This leads me to a question.. It seems that quite a few people on here are facebook "friends" with current and former players, based on the posts about status updates, etc. If you are friends with these players, do you know them from school, ie classmates, or is it simply a "fan/follower" situation? I understand that for some of these players who have aspirations of a career playing ball that a friend on facebook is simply another way to market themselves, but the whole thing seems odd.
Sorry to hijack
Quote from: MU_B2002 on November 23, 2009, 10:59:33 AM
Ok... This leads me to a question.. It seems that quite a few people on here are facebook "friends" with current and former players, based on the posts about status updates, etc. If you are friends with these players, do you know them from school, ie classmates, or is it simply a "fan/follower" situation? I understand that for some of these players who have aspirations of a career playing ball that a friend on facebook is simply another way to market themselves, but the whole thing seems odd.
Sorry to hijack
I like to follow the players their online social networks because sometimes players will announce or react to situations before you can hear it elsewhere. For example, there was a post today the DB is injured (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=16215 (http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=16215)), and this was learned because DB put an update on his Facebook.
Just another news outlet to me.
Quote from: MuMark on November 23, 2009, 10:39:22 AM
We will see how he does in the big 12 but as of now I think their is very little doubt he could help us.
He is not turning it over and is shooting it lights out. 5 assists in 29 minutes against a better team then any we have played so far.
The fact that he struggled against DJ 2 years ago means nothing. Who didn't struggle against DJ?
Alot of players over 5'10" didn't struggle against DJ. Just ask Brandon Jennings. For the most part, think about it, James struggled against himself.
As for Scott, doesn't have have the quickness to play guard in the BE.
Maybe he has gotten better since he was here?
It does happen.......kids get older......learn more.....work hard on their weaknesses and actually improve.
Brandon Jennings? lol....That is the standard now?
Ok I stipulate that Scott isn't as good as Jennings........ ::)
Iowa State has a decent team...they are not horrible. They have a first round pick playing center and Scott is somehow managing to get 22 minutes a game for them.
7 minutes more a game then Chris Colvin I might add....who we recruited, offered and hosted on an official visit.
If you can play in the Big 12 you can play in the Big East.
I'm not saying Scott is going to be all conference but to suggest that he can't play at this level because he struggled as a frosh(coming off an injury no less) is just silly.
I bet if you go to the Iowa State board they are thrilled to have him.
Maybe he didn't fit Buzz's system...which is fine....but neither do Coobie or Acker.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 23, 2009, 09:59:49 AM
Scott Christopherson would be the best shooter on this team.
NO, HE WOULD NOT.
Found this thread on Iowa State's board.
Thought it might be of interest since these guys have seen him play this year.
http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/mens-basketball/72571-scott-christopherson.html
Quote from: MuMark on November 23, 2009, 12:12:37 PM
Brandon Jennings? lol....That is the standard now?
Ok I stipulate that Scott isn't as good as Jennings........ ::)
Iowa State has a decent team...they are not horrible. They have a first round pick playing center and Scott is somehow managing to get 22 minutes a game for them.
7 minutes more a game then Chris Colvin I might add....who we recruited, offered and hosted on an official visit.
If you can play in the Big 12 you can play in the Big East.
I'm not saying Scott is going to be all conference but to suggest that he can't play at this level because he struggled as a frosh(coming off an injury no less) is just silly.
I bet if you go to the Iowa State board they are thrilled to have him.
Maybe he didn't fit Buzz's system...which is fine....but neither do Coobie or Acker.
Don't go applying logic and fact.
Just go with "he can't play at MU".
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 23, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
YES, HE WOULD. (I mean...why bother???)
Quote from another thread, with something called "3pt. shooting percentages":
--3 point shooting:
Butler - 80%
DJO - 43%
Buycks - 50%
Acker - 38%-----
So yeah, I BOTHERED. SC would NOT be the best shooter on this team. What really isn't debatable, though, is that he would get annihilated with his inability to dribble and could not defend anyone. I won't miss the kid.
Quote from: lab_warrior on November 23, 2009, 01:01:44 PM
Quote from another thread, with something called "3pt. shooting percentages":
--3 point shooting:
Butler - 80%
DJO - 43%
Buycks - 50%
Acker - 38%-----
So yeah, I BOTHERED. SC would NOT be the best shooter on this team. What really isn't debatable, though, is that he would get annihilated with his inability to dribble and could not defend anyone. I won't miss the kid.
Picking out 3 point shooting percentages from three games against inferior competition is really not an accurate way to determine how good a shooter he would be.
I'm sorry you won't miss him. I think he would have been a decent role player on this team.
By the sounds of the Iowa State fans he improved on a lot of his weaknesses. They say his strengths include his defense and taking it to the hoop. They say he is pretty quick. Sounds like a different player than we saw. I believe he had a knee injury his freshman year so that could have contributed to it. You never know how much that one year of sitting out helped him, and if he would have improved that much while he was here. Either way it sounds like he is doing well, which is good because it sounded like he was a great guy.
Scott was a gritty player and smart. He does not fit the athletic mold that Buzz is looking for, but he certainly is a good player. He's in the Big 12 and should do nicely in a major conference. He would help this team, especially when teams start playing zone on us (which they will do in spades).
Has anyone seen Mr. Hayward and UncleJohn in the same room together?
After reading Hayward's comments that Mbao is 25 lbs away from being a superstar.....classic. Just classic.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 23, 2009, 10:56:59 AM
I know you are a creature of extremes... and while I partially agree with you, I just don't think the kid is as terrible as you think he is.
not saying he is terrible, but i am saying he is no where near as good as the scholarship players on our roster. then people say we need a shooter, that can do nothing else. Well it appears we have guys that can do other things and shoot too.
In summary, I'd rather have Buycks, DJO, and Vander for the next 2-3 years than SC. I mean, c'mon. And if we're comparing "decent role players", yeah, I'd rather have EWill and Fulce.
And we had plenty of "gritty and smart" players under Mike Deane. That didn't work out well.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 23, 2009, 01:09:16 PM
Picking out 3 point shooting percentages from three games against inferior competition is really not an accurate way to determine how good a shooter he would be.
And yet isn't that to a large extent what we're doing in discussing how much game Scott Christopherson suddenly has and/or how much he would help this team ... never mind the fact his opponents are now a combined 1-12 against D-I competition? Apparently it's OK to discuss Christopherson's tough D and ability to get to the hole against inferior competition.
Anyhow, perimeter shooting has been a pleasant surprise for MU this year. And, to the best of my knowledge, knocking down an open look at the BC against Grambling isn't any different than knocking down an open look at the BC against any team in the Big East. The issue is whether they can get open looks. If they do, we should at least feel slightly more optimisitc about their ability to hit them after the first three games.
And, of course, Jimmy Butler will not shoot 80 percent from out there all season.
And Lazar Hayward won't shoot 10 percent all season either.
QuoteI'm sorry you won't miss him. I think he would have been a decent role player on this team.
Perhaps he would have. Perhaps not. One would have to wonder, though, that given his deficiencies in other areas of the game, would he get enough minutes to make a difference, could he shoot consistently without consistent minutes, would his ability to shoot outweigh his inability to handle the ball and defend?
Who knows? It's impossible to say, which is why I don't understand how anyone can say with even the smallest bit of confidence how much, if any, he would help this team.
One ot the things that I believed effected peoples opinion, was that physically he does not look like he should be on the basketball court. He did not look like a basketball player. The opposite is true of Mbao. Mbao with his height and agility looks like he should be on the basketball court. Mbao is the best looking worst player I have ever seen. MU had very quick guards, which also made Scott look bad in comparison.
Quote from: bilsu on November 23, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
One ot the things that I believed effected peoples opinion, was that physically he does not look like he should be on the basketball court. He did not look like a basketball player. The opposite is true of Mbao. Mbao with his height and agility looks like he should be on the basketball court. Mbao is the best looking worst player I have ever seen. MU had very quick guards, which also made Scott look bad in comparison.
Put 25lbs on Mbao and he's a superstar.I was surprised to see Christopherson is now up to 200lbs. He's ripped, too.
Quote from: bilsu on November 23, 2009, 02:57:07 PM
One ot the things that I believed effected peoples opinion, was that physically he does not look like he should be on the basketball court. He did not look like a basketball player. The opposite is true of Mbao. Mbao with his height and agility looks like he should be on the basketball court. Mbao is the best looking worst player I have ever seen. MU had very quick guards, which also made Scott look bad in comparison.
i think the reason people felt that way is becuase he was very slow and could not keep in front of anyone. Also when he dribbled with his left hand he looked like a right handed third grader dribbling with his left.
Christophersons line against the might Northwestern Mildcats...
Scott Christopherson, G 15 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
the two none zero numbers were the fifteen minutes he played and the 4 fouls he commited.
Frozena would have been more effective
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on November 29, 2009, 06:11:19 PM
Christophersons line against the might Northwestern Mildcats...
Scott Christopherson, G 15 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
the two none zero numbers were the fifteen minutes he played and the 4 fouls he commited.
Frozena would have been more effective
You impress me with your ability to make yourself look even worse then you did the day before. Keep up the good work.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on November 29, 2009, 06:11:19 PM
Christophersons line against the might Northwestern Mildcats...
Scott Christopherson, G 15 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4 0
the two none zero numbers were the fifteen minutes he played and the 4 fouls he commited.
Frozena would have been more effective
Seriously, do we need a "rip on SC thread"?
The kid transferred, no need blast him now.
^^^ agreed.
We all know how important a year of growth can be.
He did the right things and now is reaping the benefits.