Dwyane Wade was our last player to leave with a year left of eligibility for the NBA. Outside of D-James testing the waters after his freshman season, we haven't had a player considered to be in that league. In an ideal world, we would have a player on our roster that many consider ready for the NBA in their Freshman-Junior season. If players played out their eligibility with programs like UNC, Memphis, Kansas they would dominate... so I guess that works to MU's advantage come tourney time.
I remember one person mentioning DJO to be a one and done quality talent. So far, we haven't seen anything to give us that impression. Can Vander Blue be that good? Is a player on our current roster a year or two away from being on an NBA roster?
Who the hell told you DJO could go 1 and done? You need to check who you keep as friends.
We just need to recruit good players, its not our coaches job to worry about the NBA.
i remember that too. it was reported on this board
It was discussed and reported re DJO going early. By whom, I have no idea.
My guess is that no one is going early next year, but maybe by Junior year I could see Mbao or E. Williams as players that have a shot at going early, if they develop a LOT (I am not saying I think they are going early, I am just answering the question and saying I think they have the best shot of the guys I've seen). I like E. Williams a lot, and Buzz maybe tough on him, but I bet Buzz sees a player that is very long, has a nice shot with great extension, is athletic, move well, very smooth..., and thus a guy with a real high ceiling that needs to be pushed to develop his full potential. If EWill buys in, and works hard, I think he has the highest ceiling of anyone on the roster right now.
Mbao has some nice skills and can shoot a little. He is just so weak that he won't be able to do much this year... in two years, if he works hard and gets stonger and puts on some weight, he'll be a player. For a freshman center, he already has a nice jumper and good hands, and he can haul it up and down the court like a small forward. Again a high ceiling, not a 7'2" still for sure.
Not saying DJO will or will not leave early...but every one needs to keep in mind that we have seen nowhere near his best as he is basically a month behind everyone else in all aspects.
Quote from: GOO on November 22, 2009, 03:41:24 PM
It was discussed and reported re DJO going early. By whom, I have no idea.
My guess is that no one is going early next year, but maybe by Junior year I could see Mbao or E. Williams as players that have a shot at going early, if they develop a LOT (I am not saying I think they are going early, I am just answering the question and saying I think they have the best shot of the guys I've seen). I like E. Williams a lot, and Buzz maybe tough on him, but I bet Buzz sees a player that is very long, has a nice shot with great extension, is athletic, move well, very smooth..., and thus a guy with a real high ceiling that needs to be pushed to develop his full potential. If EWill buys in, and works hard, I think he has the highest ceiling of anyone on the roster right now.
Mbao has some nice skills and can shoot a little. He is just so weak that he won't be able to do much this year... in two years, if he works hard and gets stonger and puts on some weight, he'll be a player. For a freshman center, he already has a nice jumper and good hands, and he can haul it up and down the court like a small forward. Again a high ceiling, not a 7'2" still for sure.
What has shown you Mbao has a good shot and hands? I've seen virtually nothing from him but lapses on both sides of the court and 1/2 at the free throw line. Sure he has potential, but he needs a tremendous amount of work to even be ready to play college ball.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on November 22, 2009, 02:50:02 PM
Who the hell told you DJO could go 1 and done? You need to check who you keep as friends.
We just need to recruit good players, its not our coaches job to worry about the NBA.
Now that's a no sh*t sherlock comment if I've ever seen one. Where in my question did I suggest that's it's our coaches job to worry about the NBA. Quite frankly, if we actually recruit players that are in the "NBA ready" conversation, I'll be happy. I'm just wondering who MUScoopers think is the next big time talent.
It's interesting that some one brought up MBao... didn't see that one coming. I hope you're right.
With Wade, Diener, Novak and Matthews in the NBA, I was wondering... Has there ever been another time in Marquette's history where we have four or more alumni on a roster? 1978-1980?
this is an interesting topic, lay off the guy... on this team i would say i dont see anyone going early
if i had to pick Id go with maymon, although i think he will have a bit of the Alando Tucker curse, if u can call it that, where he is stuck in the post and his shot suffers- he may be too short to be an NBA power forward even though he is plenty built, so he has to develop a consistent jumper. I wouldnt at all mind a 4 yr career like Alando's though, even on a smaller scale
my next option would be Ewill because of his body, esp if he can develop an outside shot. then yous again because of body type, but he also has tons of work
from talking to a buddy of mine who played ball at a D3 wisc school and follows hs ball in the state, he feels the answer is definitely Vander Blue- he doesnt think he will be one and done, or perhaps maybe not even after his soph season, but can def see him gone after his 3rd yr... Ill take his word and say Blue
Quote from: TomW1365 on November 22, 2009, 02:10:31 PM
Dwyane Wade was our last player to leave with a year left of eligibility for the NBA.
Wade had two years left, IIRC.
VB
Quote from: GOMU1104 on November 22, 2009, 04:33:19 PM
You dont remember correctly
Um, yes he does. His prop 48 year (or whatever it was called) did not use up a year of eligibility.
no one on the current roster seems to be a candidate for an immediate Big East dominance, let alone a quick jump to the NBA.
This may be a slippery slope type comment considering we don't have verbal and he's not on our current roster:
Class of 2011... Wayne Blackshear is my pick... if he comes to Marquette!
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=56351&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d56351
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Wayne-Blackshear-76520
Quote from: HansMoleman on November 22, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
Um, yes he does. His prop 48 year (or whatever it was called) did not use up a year of eligibility.
Yes it did.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on November 22, 2009, 05:00:41 PM
Yes it did.
If Wade was on track to graduate after 4 years he would have been rewarded with another year of eligibility.
Quote from: Chili on November 22, 2009, 05:04:45 PM
If Wade was on track to graduate after 4 years he would have been rewarded with another year of eligibility.
Fair enough.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on November 22, 2009, 05:00:41 PM
Yes it did.
No, it didn't.
Wade was a partial qualifier, and the old partial qualifier rule allowed you to gain back the year that you lost by sitting out, assuming you could show significant academic progress in your first 4 years of school.
Through his first 3 years, Wade was at an academic level that would have easily shown that progress and his appeal to the NCAA would have been seen by them as a no brainer. So if he wanted it, he could have had two more years, not one.
Maymon does not have the hops to be a pro. In fact if Buzz is any kind of recruiter, I do not think Maymom ever starts at MU. Mbao right now will need all four years and should have been red shirted this year. At 6-1 DJO is too small to play the 2g in the pros. Eric Williams has enough athleticism to have a chance. Maymon has the higher basketball IQ, but Williams is more athletic. My guess would be Vander Blue.
Quote from: TomW1365 on November 22, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
This may be a slippery slope type comment considering we don't have verbal and he's not on our current roster:
Class of 2011... Wayne Blackshear is my pick... if he comes to Marquette!
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=56351&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d56351
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Wayne-Blackshear-76520
that kid looks phenominal- halfway through the video u can hear someone in the crowd yelling "dwyane wade" as he pulls up for a mid range jumper haha
whats the deal with him? do we have a legit crap?? anything to report BMA? :)
its pretty amazing that we can even dream about bringing in kids like this
Quote from: mudimitri on November 22, 2009, 05:15:24 PM
that kid looks phenominal- halfway through the video u can hear someone in the crowd yelling "dwyane wade" as he pulls up for a mid range jumper haha
whats the deal with him? do we have a legit crap?? anything to report BMA? :)
its pretty amazing that we can even dream about bringing in kids like this
Supposedly Blackshear wants to play college ball with his AAU teamate PF Mike Shaw, in a package deal. Both are top 50 players. Illinois is the leader right now.
On a side note, they both played on the same AAU team with our new 2010 PG recruit Smith.
Quote from: nyg on November 22, 2009, 05:29:15 PM
Supposedly Blackshear wants to play college ball with his AAU teamate PF Mike Shaw, in a package deal. Both are top 50 players. Illinois is the leader right now.
On a side note, they both played on the same AAU team with our new 2010 PG recruit Smith.
Where have you seen that IL is the leader?
Blackshear stated that UL was the leader in early September, and the pair went to DePaul's Midnight Madness.
What would be so bad with taking Blackshear and Shaw?
Quote from: GOMU1104 on November 22, 2009, 05:34:27 PM
Where have you seen that IL is the leader?
Blackshear stated that UL was the leader in early September, and the pair went to DePaul's Midnight Madness.
Read it recently, but cannot recall the site. I'll try to locate and if I find, I'll attach. It mentioned the outstanding class Illinois has coming in next year(2010), Bruce Weber starting to get the Chicago kids and if those two committed, then Illinois would be loaded over the next few years.
Quote from: nyg on November 22, 2009, 05:29:15 PM
Supposedly Blackshear wants to play college ball with his AAU teamate PF Mike Shaw, in a package deal. Both are top 50 players. Illinois is the leader right now.
On a side note, they both played on the same AAU team with our new 2010 PG recruit Smith.
hopefully its not an ominous sign, but i meant do we have a legit chance, NOT do we have a legit crap :)
well Id like to think that he would shy away from UofI because they have recruited plenty of shooting guards with richardson, paul, and head, all 4 stars, but weve got VB coming and hes a 5 star...
talk about dreaming, that shaw kid is a 6'8 PF and to get those two kids would be absolutely incredible....backcourt of DJO, Jr, VB, Smith, Blackshear with wings Maymon, Jones, Ewill, and post players in Otule, Mbao, Shaw- now THAT is a stacked final 4 contender...... make it happen Buzz!
Quote from: nyg on November 22, 2009, 05:29:15 PM
Supposedly Blackshear wants to play college ball with his AAU teamate PF Mike Shaw, in a package deal. Both are top 50 players. Illinois is the leader right now.
On a side note, they both played on the same AAU team with our new 2010 PG recruit Smith.
Illinois is definitely not the leader for the duo. Shaw seems to like them, but Blackshear doesn't want to go to Champaign. Conversely, Blackshear seems to really like Louisville, but they don't have much interest in Shaw.
Quote from: mudimitri on November 22, 2009, 05:50:01 PM
talk about dreaming, that shaw kid is a 6'8 PF and to get those two kids would be absolutely incredible....backcourt of DJO, Jr, VB, Smith, Blackshear with wings Maymon, Jones, Ewill, and post players in Otule, Mbao, Shaw- now THAT is a stacked final 4 contender...... make it happen Buzz!
Shaw is not a post player.
He's listed a power forward, but prefers playing on the wing. The knock on him has been that he plays soft. He's got the skills to be an inside force, but would rather shoot perimeter jumpers than bang in the post.
Quote from: bma725 on November 22, 2009, 06:02:03 PM
Shaw is not a post player.
He's listed a power forward, but prefers playing on the wing. The knock on him has been that he plays soft. He's got the skills to be an inside force, but would rather shoot perimeter jumpers than bang in the post.
I figured Id stand corrected, thank you sir ;).... with that size the kid better learn to bang down low a bit. Aright buzz they cant agree on UofI of UL, make them agree on MU. Then make Otule or Mbao atleast a step better than our last few big men, and we are in business
I think everyone on this board severely underestimates how good you need to be to get drafted. We just watched three of the best players in MU history all get passed up last summer. How anyone can say Erik Williams could get drafted at any point in the foreseeable future is beyond me. Saying they need alot of work to get NBA ready is the understatement of the century.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on November 22, 2009, 06:16:27 PM
How anyone can say Erik Williams could get drafted at any point in the foreseeable future is beyond me.
+1,000,000
There are dozens of players like Williams in the NCAAs right now.
Vander Blue will play a maximum of 2 years for MU.
Quote from: bilsu on November 22, 2009, 05:13:09 PM
Maymon does not have the hops to be a pro. In fact if Buzz is any kind of recruiter, I do not think Maymom ever starts at MU. Mbao right now will need all four years and should have been red shirted this year. At 6-1 DJO is too small to play the 2g in the pros. Eric Williams has enough athleticism to have a chance. Maymon has the higher basketball IQ, but Williams is more athletic. My guess would be Vander Blue.
Agree on all points.
Quote from: AWegrzyn17 on November 22, 2009, 06:16:27 PM
I think everyone on this board severely underestimates how good you need to be to get drafted. We just watched three of the best players in MU history all get passed up last summer. How anyone can say Erik Williams could get drafted at any point in the foreseeable future is beyond me. Saying they need alot of work to get NBA ready is the understatement of the century.
Its cause the NBA draft is all about "potential" and E Will has got the most potential on this team. I agree he needs a lot of work but his upside is higher than anyone on this team.
Quote from: Marq on November 22, 2009, 07:23:42 PM
Its cause the NBA draft is all about "potential" and E Will has got the most potential on this team. I agree he needs a lot of work but his upside is higher than anyone on this team.
no.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 22, 2009, 09:15:40 PM
no.
thanks for your insight. brilliant minds like yours should be working on a cure for cancer
no one on this team is a one or two and done player.
get it through your heads.
I like the talent, but seriously, you all sound like a bunch of Bucky fans.
With Wade, Diener, Novak and Matthews in the NBA, I was wondering... Has there ever been another time in Marquette's history where we have four or more alumni on a roster? 1978-1980?
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I think you're right on the years. By my count there were 8 former MU players in the league during 1979 and again in 1980.
1979 - Chones - Cavs, McNeill - Pistons, Lucas - Blazers, Tatum - Celtics/Pistons, Walton - Bucks, Ellis - Nuggets, Lee - Hawks/Cavs, Whitehead - Clippers
1980 - Chones - Lakers, Lucas - Blazers/Nets, Tatum - Cavs, Walton - Bucks, Ellis - Nuggets, Lee - Cavs/Lakers, Whitehead - Clippers/Jazz, Toone - Sixers
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 22, 2009, 09:15:40 PM
no.
Hard_Alumni: have you ever watched an NBA draft? The word potential is the most commonly used word coming out of any analysists mouth during the draft when talking about a player and his skill set.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on November 23, 2009, 10:39:19 AM
With Wade, Diener, Novak and Matthews in the NBA, I was wondering... Has there ever been another time in Marquette's history where we have four or more alumni on a roster? 1978-1980?
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I think you're right on the years. By my count there were 8 former MU players in the league during 1979 and again in 1980.
1979 - Chones - Cavs, McNeill - Pistons, Lucas - Blazers, Tatum - Celtics/Pistons, Walton - Bucks, Ellis - Nuggets, Lee - Hawks/Cavs, Whitehead - Clippers
1980 - Chones - Lakers, Lucas - Blazers/Nets, Tatum - Cavs, Walton - Bucks, Ellis - Nuggets, Lee - Cavs/Lakers, Whitehead - Clippers/Jazz, Toone - Sixers
Wow! You know your Marquette history! Thanks for looking ito that... I was hoping someone would take that question and run with it. I had no idea there were that many former MU players in the league at one time! Then again, I've been a fan since '96...
So in three years, after McNeil & James get picked up, DJO, V-Blue, Maymon and Blackshear get drafted, Marquette will have 10 former players on NBA rosters! Even in a dream world, we wouldn't be close to having 16 in the league at once!
Tony Smith, Jim MacIlvaine, Amal McCaskill and Chris Crawford were in the NBA at the same time. 1997-2001
Quote from: TomW1365 on November 23, 2009, 12:41:21 PMEven in a dream world, we wouldn't be close to having 16 in the league at once!
While I believe the
8 we had in the late 70s and early 80s will not be seen for sometime I think the current trajectory is encouraging. Wade will obviously be there for some time and he is the oldest of the active NBA players. The other three players are not stars, but have shown some potential to remain on an NBA roster. With our current MU roster and recruits I don't see us adding 4 more players to the NBA in the next few years, but I do see the potential for 1 or 2 and if Buzz's recruiting continues we could see even more.
This thread borders on ridiculous. The only two who could possibly have the talent to leave early and I use that term lightly, is Mbao and Vander Blue.
EWILLS may have a ton of upside but he's not talented enough to simply get by based solely on his athleticism and his awesome work ethic.
Potential is certainly a factor to NBA teams but the draft is designed to bring in platyers capable of playing right away, not years later.
Quote from: Marq on November 23, 2009, 12:32:47 PM
Hard_Alumni: have you ever watched an NBA draft? The word potential is the most commonly used word coming out of any analysists mouth during the draft when talking about a player and his skill set.
I've watched it for over a decade. That being said, Erik Williams doesn't even start, let alone play anything but garbage minutes.
To say he will get drafted at this point is total lunacy.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 23, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
I've watched it for over a decade. That being said, Erik Williams doesn't even start, let alone play anything but garbage minutes.
To say he will get drafted at this point is total lunacy.
So obviously you agree that the NBA draft is all about potential and what could become. So where in the world did I say that he was going to be drafted? E Will has the one of the highest ceilings on the team and if he reaches that ceiling then he has chance to be drafted. I never said he was going to be drafted but he
could be if he reaches that ceiling say in three or four years.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 23, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
I've watched it for over a decade. That being said, Erik Williams doesn't even start, let alone play anything but garbage minutes.
To say he will get drafted at this point is total lunacy.
But he was a top 100 player out of high school
Quote from: Marq on November 23, 2009, 04:28:18 PM
So obviously you agree that the NBA draft is all about potential and what could become. So where in the world did I say that he was going to be drafted? E Will has the one of the highest ceilings on the team and if he reaches that ceiling then he has chance to be drafted. I never said he was going to be drafted but he could be if he reaches that ceiling say in three or four years.
thats great and all, but what is this thread about?
I never said he had no shot of getting drafted, I merely said he hasn't shown he can even get off the bench.