Are we in the discussion for him on Wednesday? According to scout we aren't.
"Another Top 50 prospect is about to sign his national letter of intent. According to New Heights coach Kimani Young, Wednesday is the day for Top 50 JayVaughn Pinkston.
Tennessee, St. John's, Villanova, West Virginia and possibly Connecticut are in the mix for the rambling big man out of Bishop Loughlin. "
I don't see a whole lot of difference between him and JM, He's listed as a 6'6" 220lb PF.
I highly doubt we'll get him, but with Black committing to memphis, we can offer him more playing time.....
Adam Zagoria who covers New York recruiting says his news conference is scheduled for Wednesday the 18th at 3:00 pm. Zagoria still has us listed in Pinkston's five.
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on November 16, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
I highly doubt we'll get him, but with Black committing to memphis, we can offer him more playing time.....
You mean we can offer him the opportunity to earn more playing time. ;)
Bishop Loughlin senior Jayvaughn Pinkston to sign with Tennessee
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/high_school/2009/11/17/2009-11-17_pinkston.html#ixzz0X9RayAcw
no surprises here.
Many of us predicted no more than 2 signings during the early signing period. Be patient, wait for spring!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 17, 2009, 02:54:05 PM
no surprises here.
Many of us predicted no more than 2 signings during the early signing period. Be patient, wait for spring!
...when we'll sign the Easter Bunny! I hear he's got hops. (Also a 7 footer if you include his ears.)
I hate coming in second or third place for quality bigs; it's like our new legacy. It's especially hard for me when I remember having Chones, McNeil and Lucas dominate for us. Had it not been for their early entry into the ABA we would have had one year with all three of those guys, 6'11, 6'10 and 6'8 on our baseline which would have been the biggest and most talented in all of college basketball. Oh well......c'est la vie.
Hopefully Buzz can turn this around in the short run with a JUCO stud while working on someone from the class of 2011 or 2012.
It's hard to wait for spring when we see all these big name guys going else where...BUT don't forget about who we have already signed!
We should all still be excited about Blue, best MU recruit since 81 (according to Rosiaks interview on mutv).
I think someone will turn up in the spring and round out the class nicely.
While it would be great to land a quality big in the 2010 recruiting class I'm not sure it is entirely necessary. If next year were to start without signing anyone else our roster would be as follows (assuming everyone eligible and no injuries):
C - Otule, Mbao
F - Butler, Fulce, E. Williams, Maymon, J. Jones
G - Cadougan, Blue, DJO, Buycks, J. Jones
I included Jamail as a F and G because I believe he is listed as a SG, but at 6'6" I think he could play the SF in spurts.
A starting lineup of Otule, Maymon, Butler, Blue, and Cadougan
A bench of Mbao, Williams, Fulce, DJO, Buycks, and Jones.
That is a deep and talented team.
Let me reiterate - It would have been great to land someone like Black, but I don't think a top-100 C/F is absolutely necessary for next year - it will be absolutely necessary when Butler and Fulce leave though.
Quote from: copious1218 on November 17, 2009, 03:47:10 PM
While it would be great to land a quality big in the 2010 recruiting class I'm not sure it is entirely necessary. If next year were to start without signing anyone else our roster would be as follows (assuming everyone eligible and no injuries):
C - Otule, Mbao
F - Butler, Fulce, E. Williams, Maymon, J. Jones
G - Cadougan, Blue, DJO, Buycks, J. Jones
I included Jamail as a F and G because I believe he is listed as a SG, but at 6'6" I think he could play the SF in spurts.
A starting lineup of Otule, Maymon, Butler, Blue, and Cadougan
A bench of Mbao, Williams, Fulce, DJO, Buycks, and Jones.
That is a deep and talented team.
Let me reiterate - It would have been great to land someone like Black, but I don't think a top-100 C/F is absolutely necessary for next year - it will be absolutely necessary when Butler and Fulce leave though.
maybe, maybe not. Totally depends on the development on Mbao and Otule.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 17, 2009, 03:49:49 PM
maybe, maybe not. Totally depends on the development on Mbao and Otule.
Also depends on the development of E. Williams and Maymon as well. Plus the continued health and improvement of Fulce. I'm hoping all of these go well.
Maybe I'm subconsciously trying to make myself feel better about losing out on Black, but without a top-100 PF/C type that lists MU as a possibility, we won't be adding anyone unless there is a JUCO out there or some things get shaken up in the spring.
Quote from: copious1218 on November 17, 2009, 03:47:10 PM
While it would be great to land a quality big in the 2010 recruiting class I'm not sure it is entirely necessary. If next year were to start without signing anyone else our roster would be as follows (assuming everyone eligible and no injuries):
C - Otule, Mbao
F - Butler, Fulce, E. Williams, Maymon, J. Jones
G - Cadougan, Blue, DJO, Buycks, J. Jones
I included Jamail as a F and G because I believe he is listed as a SG, but at 6'6" I think he could play the SF in spurts.
A starting lineup of Otule, Maymon, Butler, Blue, and Cadougan
A bench of Mbao, Williams, Fulce, DJO, Buycks, and Jones.
That is a deep and talented team.
Let me reiterate - It would have been great to land someone like Black, but I don't think a top-100 C/F is absolutely necessary for next year - it will be absolutely necessary when Butler and Fulce leave though.
That puts us as good, if not better than the teams we had with DJ, Wes, Jerel, and Lazar. What those teams did show is that we do need a big man if we want to be more than just competitive nationally (think about how we lost to Stanford, UConn, etc. after our guards lit it up). 25-10 with a 2nd round loss is a fun season and we are lucky to at least get that consistently. But we are just a player away from contending for the BE title and making consistent runs in March. Getting Blue means we could have a really special team so it would be nice to get a quality big in the spring or next recruiting class.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on November 17, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
That puts us as good, if not better than the teams we had with DJ, Wes, Jerel, and Lazar. What those teams did show is that we do need a big man if we want to be more than just competitive nationally (think about how we lost to Stanford, UConn, etc. after our guards lit it up). 25-10 with a 2nd round loss is a fun season and we are lucky to at least get that consistently. But we are just a player away from contending for the BE title and making consistent runs in March. Getting Blue means we could have a really special team so it would be nice to get a quality big in the spring or next recruiting class.
That was essentially my point - while it would be great, we are not desperately in need of one in this recruiting class.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 17, 2009, 03:49:49 PM
maybe, maybe not. Totally depends on the development on Mbao and Otule.
Please raise your hand if anyone feels Otule will eventually be a Div I, BE center. Thought so.
Unless they sign a JUCO bigman with some skills, they will have to revise the offense to be more of a run team and on defense hope Fulce, Maymon and Butler can get the defense boards. Almost identical to this year, but Hayward, an excellent player will not be around. Hopefully Monroe, Yates, Ebanks and Samuels turn pro and Harangody will be gone. MU will have some extremely skilled wings and guards, but can they compete for a championship without some presence in the middle?
Black would have been the answer, Pinkston maybe and its a shame that with two open scholarships and basically a guaranteed starting assignment, Buzz could not close the deal on a highly ranked center. He did come through on Blue and Jones, but just one more piece of that puzzle and being so close must be frustrating for him and the staff.
Listen to Buzz talk about recruiting from Monday. Starting somewhere around the 25:00 minute mark. Basically wants to sign the best players, not average players, doesn't want to sign someone, just to sign someone and always wants a scholarship available. Interesting tidbits.
http://www.espnmilwaukee.com/audiovault/marquette_basketball.php#
I'm not waiting for Otule and Mbao to develop. It's awesome if they do, but I'm not holding my breath.
We NEED a Big East-READY center.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on November 17, 2009, 04:32:52 PM
I'm not waiting for Otule and Mbao to develop. It's awesome if they do, but I'm not holding my breath.
We NEED a Big East-READY center.
Except that they don't exist.
Big men don't fall out of trees and almost ALwAYS take time to develop.
+1. Polished big men (esp. polished enough for the BE) are few and far between as freshman. The ones that are are usually something special.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 17, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
Except that they don't exist.
Big men don't fall out of trees and almost ALwAYS take time to develop.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on November 17, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
Except that they don't exist.
Big men don't fall out of trees and almost ALwAYS take time to develop.
ya wow we need a big east ready center sure we do but name the last BE center that was even bE ready for the BE powers. Thabeet was a two year project before being a stud, Hibbert a two year project, aaron grey a 2-3 year project and the beat goes on...to expect otule or mbao to be ready to contribute before they are juniors is simply ludicrous. dont blame them dont blame Buzz blame the previous regime for us not having a junior or senior year center.
lastly buzz was going to sign 1 or two jucos to balnce out the claases anyway so i would not be surprised to see us sign 1 or two in the spring. most likely a big and a nother ballhandler
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on November 17, 2009, 06:57:07 PM
ya wow we need a big east ready center sure we do but name the last BE center that was even bE ready for the BE powers. Thabeet was a two year project before being a stud, Hibbert a two year project, aaron grey a 2-3 year project and the beat goes on...to expect otule or mbao to be ready to contribute before they are juniors is simply ludicrous. dont blame them dont blame Buzz blame the previous regime for us not having a junior or senior year center.
lastly buzz was going to sign 1 or two jucos to balnce out the claases anyway so i would not be surprised to see us sign 1 or two in the spring. most likely a big and a nother ballhandler
The problem with your post (yes, there are actual a few points that are valid, too) is that those "projects" you reference were still top big men recruits. Big men always take time develop, as you claim, but the real issue remains that it's very difficult to get quality, high profile big men (which the three you mention were). Every regime at MU has tried to get those guys and haven't been able to do it. Perhaps Buzz will, but you almost make it sound like the previous regime didn't even attempt. Just silly and stupid if that's you're thinking.
If Buzz is able to land a top 30 national player that is a center, he will do something that NO ONE has done since McGuire at MU, not just the "previous regime"
is their any way to see the game tonight
Quote from: nyg on November 17, 2009, 04:30:21 PM
Please raise your hand if anyone feels Otule will eventually be a Div I, BE center. Thought so.
I'll bite. I don't think he'll turn into a lottery pick, but I don't see any reason he can't contribute along the lines of Barro as he develops into his junior and senior years.
Quote from: nyg on November 17, 2009, 04:30:21 PM
Please raise your hand if anyone feels Otule will eventually be a Div I, BE center. Thought so.
I'll add my raised hand to dsfire's. I don't think Otule will ever be a superstar, but I believe that he will develop into a very competent center. I think he'll ultimately be better than Burke and/or Barro. If you don't consider that "a Div I, BE center" then we'll disagree on the definition of that term.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/11/18/pinkston-to-hold-off-on-decision/#more-24994
Wow... Pinkston potentially back in the mix for MU! Good news.
"He's not 100 percent sure where he wants to go to school so rather than make a rush decision he'll just wait until the spring."
"Best situation for him." Wow, I would think that we have much to offer ... playing time is an obvious opportunity.
Can someone change the title of this thread? It simply appears not to be true.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 18, 2009, 09:47:50 AM
http://www.zagsblog.com/2009/11/18/pinkston-to-hold-off-on-decision/#more-24994
Wow... Pinkston potentially back in the mix for MU! Good news.
"He's not 100 percent sure where he wants to go to school so rather than make a rush decision he'll just wait until the spring."
This probably explains Pinkston's sudden change of heart about Tennessee.
Good news for MU, at least.
Half Hollow Hills West basketball star Tobias Harris, one of the nation's top recruits, announced he will play at Tennessee.
With a dozen or so Syracuse fans chanting "Cuse, Cuse, Cuse!" at the ESPN Zone in Times Square Thursday night, Tobias Harris of Half Hollow Hills West looked directly into the ESPNU cameras and quietly said, "I'll play my college basketball at the University of Tennessee."
Harris selected the Volunteers from a final list of seven schools that also included Syracuse, Louisville, Kentucky, Maryland, Georgia Tech and Kentucky.http://www.newsday.com/sports/high-school/basketball/hills-west-star-tobias-harris-commits-to-tennessee-1.1608999
Im pretty sure this guy has some East Coast bias in regards to coming to Milwaukee to play. Honestly on paper, it makes sense for him to go to MU or St. Johns where he will play from day 1 rather than be placed way back on the depth charts of Villanova and UCONN.
How good is this 'big-to-be-named-later' going to have to be? What is the likelihood we find a 4 to come in as a freshman that will be better than JMay as a soph? Have we completely given up on EWill ever getting it after 2 games of his freshman year? Some posters have said that JB looks more like 6'8 than 6'6. Short of a 6'9 240lb monster, I think we will be OK. COT as a junior and Yous as a soph is better than any big we are likely to bring in in the spring. If we sign another 6'10 project, cool.