Didn't see this posted. Here is a link to a Sports section front page article in today's Wisc. State Journal.
http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/tom_oates/article_eca02263-f190-5e2e-a3ee-af07e626264e.html (http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/tom_oates/article_eca02263-f190-5e2e-a3ee-af07e626264e.html)
It sounds like he is blaming Buzz for the three amigos not becoming 1st round picks.
hmmm...
Well, he's a columnist, not a real journalist, so I guess he doesn't have to be unbiased... but this article is pro-UW and somewhat anti-MU and anti- Vander.
It's factual, but in the last paragraph about players in the pros, he mentions 2 players from UW's last 5 seasons, and only players from MU's last season. Not really an apple to apples comparison.
Do I even want to read this or is it basically badgernation.com with editing?
FWIW, Tom Oates is a humongous douche, and flip flops on all of his opinions during the week.
the only one around here that seems willing to stick to his guns is Andy Baggot... who is 'just okay'
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on October 21, 2009, 03:54:45 PM
Do I even want to read this or is it basically badgernation.com with editing?
I'll save you the time and say don't bother. I won't believe a word spoken or written by anyone who thinks some number justifies calling the Big Ten the #1 conference last year.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on October 21, 2009, 03:54:45 PM
Do I even want to read this or is it basically badgernation.com with editing?
It's a butt-hurt badger fan spouting off about Dracula's slow-down offense being awesome and how the Big Ten is the #1 conference in the nation. Not a worthwhile read unless you're trying to get yourself worked up.
Edit: what chapman said :)
Oates comes across as a crybaby, bashing Blue and Buzz since Bo didn't close the deal on Vander.
It's an either/or proposition that either you tell big time recruits that they are the best thing since sliced bread, or you are stuck with looking for diamonds in the rough. Faulty logic right there.
Don't care what the guy wrote or what Buzz told him, we got Blue. They did not.
While Oates apprears to be a tool, he is pretty hard on Bo for not being able to keep Blue and needing to change his recruiting strategy/tactics.
From the article, it's VERY apparent that Oates did not interview Blue, Buzz or Bo at all.
The comments are priceless! Suprised they can type and give a <redacted> to Bo and the author at the same time. Some choice responses:
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mrk24 said on: October 21, 2009, 12:04 pm
oh boy, where to start. fact: marquette may have wonderful academics, but they have NO standards when it comes to their atheletes. they have or have had players who cannot read or write. how did they get into college? fact: almost all big schools cheat their butts off to get players. the ncaa turns a blind eye because they are interested in making money, not developing student atheletes. fact: coaches bash bo ryan and his program when recruiting. they tell prospective recruits "you'll never play in his system", etc. bo ryan and his assistants would never bash another program to a recruit. fact: when big recruits committ, all of a sudden a parent, cousin, uncle, etc. has a great job that they aren't qualified for.
hey tom, why won't you mention the cheating? i know you know. people who don't know the ins and outs of college basketball deserve to know the truth--especially from journalists, so they stop making ignorant comments and running good coaches/mentors out of town. wake up!
prhjd60 said on: October 21, 2009, 9:21 am
No, no, a thousand times NO! Bo should stick to his guns, continue to tell recruits the truth, and not compromise to our current decadent culture. I'd rather lose a few games with Bo, than win them all with a corrupt coach and a bunch of one year and out "rent-a-players" like we see in many so called big time programs.
graybadger said on: October 21, 2009, 9:08 am
As an alum and a fan I don't like the idea of debasing the academic reputation to attract players, who are not UW student material. Wisconsin produces productive, successful graduates by the thousands. A very few are athletes and even fewer are professional athletes. Keep up the standards Bo. Most grads applaud your success.
TJ said on: October 21, 2009, 8:51 am
Tom - I am usually in lock step with your views but the main point has been missed: it's not Bo who is out of touch, rather why won't you or others address the UW administration's refusal to compromise it's academic and enrollment requirements. That's the story - not "Buzz" or any of Vander's ex-Memorial teammates who also chose not to study.
Quote from: reinko on October 21, 2009, 04:28:28 PM
The comments are priceless! Suprised they can type and give a <redacted> to Bo and the author at the same time. Some choice responses:
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mrk24 said on: October 21, 2009, 12:04 pm
oh boy, where to start. fact: marquette may have wonderful academics, but they have NO standards when it comes to their atheletes. they have or have had players who cannot read or write. how did they get into college? fact: almost all big schools cheat their butts off to get players. the ncaa turns a blind eye because they are interested in making money, not developing student atheletes. fact: coaches bash bo ryan and his program when recruiting. they tell prospective recruits "you'll never play in his system", etc. bo ryan and his assistants would never bash another program to a recruit. fact: when big recruits committ, all of a sudden a parent, cousin, uncle, etc. has a great job that they aren't qualified for.
hey tom, why won't you mention the cheating? i know you know. people who don't know the ins and outs of college basketball deserve to know the truth--especially from journalists, so they stop making ignorant comments and running good coaches/mentors out of town. wake up!
prhjd60 said on: October 21, 2009, 9:21 am
No, no, a thousand times NO! Bo should stick to his guns, continue to tell recruits the truth, and not compromise to our current decadent culture. I'd rather lose a few games with Bo, than win them all with a corrupt coach and a bunch of one year and out "rent-a-players" like we see in many so called big time programs.
graybadger said on: October 21, 2009, 9:08 am
As an alum and a fan I don't like the idea of debasing the academic reputation to attract players, who are not UW student material. Wisconsin produces productive, successful graduates by the thousands. A very few are athletes and even fewer are professional athletes. Keep up the standards Bo. Most grads applaud your success.
TJ said on: October 21, 2009, 8:51 am
Tom - I am usually in lock step with your views but the main point has been missed: it's not Bo who is out of touch, rather why won't you or others address the UW administration's refusal to compromise it's academic and enrollment requirements. That's the story - not "Buzz" or any of Vander's ex-Memorial teammates who also chose not to study.
I would be embarrassed to read these comments if I was a UW alumnus.
These people need to get a grip. Just because a kid chooses to go to MU doesn't mean the school has no standards, and just because a kid chooses not to go to UW doesn't mean Bo's system is too strict.
The kid just chose MU. Big deal. It's 1 kid. Sheesh.
What is the zip code of the universe these people live in? Don't they at least fell a little guilty making up stuff that they have no possible way of knowing? I am glad there are no people on MUScoop who act like this ;D
Why, oh why did I read that article...and especially the comments. I think I just got a little stupider from reading that.
Stay away, if you can.
I like that a major gripe he had was the fact that Vander refers to Buzz as Buzz. Oh heaven forbid!
By the time I was a senior in HS/college freshman. Most new parents or adults I met introduced themselves and preferred to be called by their first name. And I would say at least half of my professors did as well. But if they great Bo Ryan prefers to be Coach Ryan. Then it is gospel.
Didn't bother reading past the part where he's questioning why a recruit calls Buzz by his first name.
I always get a kick out of the guys with doctorates...the one's who have the degree, but that's about it refer to themselves as doctors. The guys who have the degree, but let their work speak for itself, go on a first name basis. I'd rather Buzz chew him out like Bob Knight did to the kid on campus. That would truly show these kids how to properly act!
You got to love it when most Badger fans and their media make excuses and bash their opponent and don't lay any blame on themselves. Bo didn't go see Blue at open gym. Buzz did. Buzz out worked him. It has nothing to do with Blue calling Buzz, Buzz.
Buzz didn't make DJ, Wes or Jerel into first round picks after one year but Bo didn't make Butch into a first round pick with 4 years of coaching him when Butch's rankings and accolades were far greater than any of the 3 amigos.
By the time Bo, UW, the media and badger fans figure out that Bo just doesn't want to put out the effort to get top talent, the badgers will be cellar dwellers of the Big 10 for at least 2-3 years and getting back on top will be that much harder.
This sentence really sticks out:
It is a legitimate question when a blue-chip player from just down the street thumbs his nose at you.
I don't think that's what happened. Maybe what the kid said in the media is true: He just felt more comfortable with Buzz than Bo, and at Marquette than at Madison. And Oates' suggestion that Bo should change in order to catch elite players is just so much chicken droppings. The next elite player might be more comfortable with Bo than Buzz.
Some people drive Fords, others drive Chevys. Both get you where you're going. So what?
Screw the Big Ten Titles and such.
Oates and other rodents can suck on this:
Since 1991, nine Marquette players have seen time in the NBA. With Wes, it'll make ten. (And I'm not counting Ron Howard who may make a team. LOL!)
Wisconsin? Five.
Jerel has one thing to say to these blowhard Badger fans:
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff173/TallTitan34/mcneal_shhh.jpg)
Also, I know for a fact the Golden Eagle can read...
(http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff173/TallTitan34/Bucky-1.jpg)
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on October 21, 2009, 11:15:26 PM
Screw the Big Ten Titles and such.
Oates and other rodents can suck on this:
Since 1991, nine Marquette players have seen time in the NBA. With Wes, it'll make ten. (And I'm not counting Ron Howard who may make a team. LOL!)
Wisconsin? Five.
10 it is!!