Avon, Indiana. My current residence. Are we recruiting him?
Both Tom Izzo and Tom Crean were there recently to watch him. Tom Izzo asked the high school if he could use their facilities to practice if Michigan State makes the Final Four this year. Word is the high school was thrilled to let him use it, but wondered why Crean did not make the same request (insert joke here).
I was looking for some info, and ran accross this from IU's Elite Camp:
+ Current NBA players Eric Gordon, Steve Novak and Jared Jeffries all attended the camp. Both Novak and Jeffries spoke to the campers and Novak was spotted in IU shorts
http://www.insidethehall.com/tag/austin-etherington/
Quote from: indeelaw90 on October 14, 2009, 06:55:17 AM
I was looking for some info, and ran accross this from IU's Elite Camp:
+ Current NBA players Eric Gordon, Steve Novak and Jared Jeffries all attended the camp. Both Novak and Jeffries spoke to the campers and Novak was spotted in IU shorts
http://www.insidethehall.com/tag/austin-etherington/
Well that's just perfect. Maybe we should all start wearing IU shorts.
Wasn't it known that Crean did a lot of lobbying to NBA teams to draft Novak. If the case, Novak probably is being reciprocating for Crean. Can't blame him in that case. But wearing IU shorts, yuck :P
Quote from: NCMUFan on October 14, 2009, 08:18:15 AM
Wasn't it known that Crean did a lot of lobbying to NBA teams to draft Novak. If the case, Novak probably is being reciprocating for Crean. Can't blame him in that case. But wearing IU shorts, yuck :P
You know why Novak got drafted? Because he's good.
The end.
It's like the gathering clouds before a thunderstorm. The Crean lovers/haters are out there trying to figure our how this makes TC a sinner/saint/bigger d bag/coaching great. "Popcorn, peanuts, get your popcorn here." Let the games commence.
Quote from: The Lens on October 14, 2009, 08:45:14 AM
You know why Novak got drafted? Because he's good.
The end.
He also had an extensive relationship with Van Gundy and that didn't hurt where Steve was drafted...early in the second round. Seeing as they (Rockets) were willing to depart with Steve fairly quickly into his career is interesting. Novak provides a wonderful talent but he also has some weaknesses that are exposed on the defensive end. We'll see how he does with the Clippers, hopefully it's a successful career.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 14, 2009, 12:24:11 PM
He also had an extensive relationship with Van Gundy and that didn't hurt where Steve was drafted...early in the second round. Seeing as they (Rockets) were willing to depart with Steve fairly quickly into his career is interesting. Novak provides a wonderful talent but he also has some weaknesses that are exposed on the defensive end. We'll see how he does with the Clippers, hopefully it's a successful career.
The only time the Rockets "departed" with Novak was on road trips to various NBA cities. He's starting his 4th year in the NBA - already a successful career for your typical 2nd rounder.
Do we have to rehash Creen good/evil argument again on a completely unrelated issue?
Back to the Subject:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/hickoryhusker/basketball/recruiting/player-Austin-Burgett-94069
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=93814&season=2012&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d93814%26season%3d2012
His twitter page seems up to date with who has made offers:
http://twitter.com/avonsfinest
I was going to wear my IU jockstrap, but it's too small.
As far as Novak's past draft success goes, Crean can pitch his kids all he wants, it don't matter. The NBA is big business. Favors are not part of the equation. And, the Brewers didn't draft the Hoosiers' pitcher because of T-Cubed either. I suppose some of you think LaRussa will consult with dickhead before meeting with the Cardinals next week. Maybe McCarthy can tap into his base of knowledge on how to beat Favre in Green Bay also.
Steve Novak was drafted because he can do one thing better than most people on this planet.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 14, 2009, 12:59:47 PM
The only time the Rockets "departed" with Novak was on road trips to various NBA cities. He's starting his 4th year in the NBA - already a successful career for your typical 2nd rounder.
Uhm, they got rid of him after 2 years by sending him to the Clippers. I love the guy, but I'd say that Houston figured out fairly early he wasn't in their plans. He played 35 games in each of his first two years....they decided to move on.
I think its funny that this Indiana website is actually the one that notes that Novak was seen wearing IU shorts.
For a program with a history like Indiana its hilarious that they get pumped when Wade or Novak are wearing IU shorts.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 14, 2009, 03:01:22 PM
I think its funny that this Indiana website is actually the one that notes that Novak was seen wearing IU shorts.
For a program with a history like Indiana its hilarious that they get pumped when Wade or Novak are wearing IU shorts.
It's a fan site. They probably think, easy to see why, that two NBA players that went to a different school who are now wearing their colors is something to at least be mildly excited about. They would expect IU NBA players to wear IU shorts, but not necessarily players from a different school. At least that's how I read it.
My guess is that MU fans would be fairly excited if one of the top 5 players in the world came in and did a camp wearing MU gear.
Meanwhile....IU just got a verbal from another top 60 recruit. I'm hoping we start getting some kids soon....I hate the waiting part.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 14, 2009, 06:31:06 PM
It's a fan site. They probably think, easy to see why, that two NBA players that went to a different school who are now wearing their colors is something to at least be mildly excited about. They would expect IU NBA players to wear IU shorts, but not necessarily players from a different school. At least that's how I read it.
My guess is that MU fans would be fairly excited if one of the top 5 players in the world came in and did a camp wearing MU gear.
Meanwhile....IU just got a verbal from another top 60 recruit. I'm hoping we start getting some kids soon....I hate the waiting part.
chicos has lost his mind...what top 60 player committed to IU currently they have a 2 and a 3 star commitment. remeber those days? throw in a spring juco 1 star and its deja vu all over again
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the guy who lives in Indiana and has his son go to Tom Crean camps doesn't know about the latest commitment.
Austin Etherington, rated #57 by Scout....4 stars
http://www.insidethehall.com/2009/08/03/austin-etherington-joins-indianas-2011-class/
Matt Carlino already committed, he's a 4 star recruit from Arizona and ranked 68th in one service and top 60 in another.
http://indiana.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&yr=2011&cfg=bb
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&toinid=406&yr=2011
Both of their 2011 recruits are 4 stars.
Buzz is going to land someone good, I still think Vander is coming to MU and it would be great to get Black as well. That would be a terrific class.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 14, 2009, 02:50:21 PM
Uhm, they got rid of him after 2 years by sending him to the Clippers. I love the guy, but I'd say that Houston figured out fairly early he wasn't in their plans. He played 35 games in each of his first two years....they decided to move on.
Chicos, the joke was you said they "departed" with him, i.e. took a trip with him. I guess that humor that requires an explanation isn't very funny.
when a flamer says "IU just got a verbal" i did not think he was referring to a commitment from a month or more ago. I guess Mu just got a top 75 verbal too. ::) Wow Yosemite sam is at it again
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on October 14, 2009, 08:43:04 PM
when a flamer says "IU just got a verbal" i did not think he was referring to a commitment from a month or more ago. I guess Mu just got a top 75 verbal too. ::) Wow Yosemite sam is at it again
So you're admitting that they have two 4 star recruits they have landed, and not the 2 star and 3 star that you said. Just clarifying as I never know what actual planet you are on.
Both MU and IU will have good recruiting classes...it's ok Hayward, no need to cry about it. How many voodoo dolls of Crean do you have by the way?
i guess i am off ignore again.
What what short mans disease, this guy has ahuge chip on his shoulder...how insecure can one be.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 14, 2009, 08:49:15 PM
So you're admitting that they have two 4 star recruits they have landed, and not the 2 star and 3 star that you said. Just clarifying as I never know what actual planet you are on.
Both MU and IU will have good recruiting classes...it's ok Hayward, no need to cry about it. How many voodoo dolls of Crean do you have by the way?
Both of those 4 star recruits are for 2011. They currently only have a 2 star and 3 star for 2010. I think that's what Hayward was referencing.
Crean has landed 4 4-star recruits (Rivals) thus far for his first 3 recruiting classes (all in the 2009 class). Hardly the giant step up in recruiting he was hoping for in comparison to MU, who has landed 3 4-stars over the same period (also all in the 2009 class). Of course, I have no idea who IU is still in on for the 2010 class, but I have a feeling Buzz will get at least one 4-star for 2010 (I don't know much about many of MU's 2011 targets yet, I feel like Buzz is still focusing on 2010 right now).
Quote from: jmayer1 on October 15, 2009, 10:53:23 AM
Both of those 4 star recruits are for 2011. They currently only have a 2 star and 3 star for 2010. I think that's what Hayward was referencing.
Crean has landed 4 4-star recruits (Rivals) thus far for his first 3 recruiting classes (all in the 2009 class). Hardly the giant step up in recruiting he was hoping for in comparison to MU, who has landed 3 4-stars over the same period (also all in the 2009 class). Of course, I have no idea who IU is still in on for the 2010 class, but I have a feeling Buzz will get at least one 4-star for 2010 (I don't know much about many of MU's 2011 targets yet, I feel like Buzz is still focusing on 2010 right now).
Its been interesting to watch this.... Crean has brought in some good players to IU, no doubt. But are these guys that he couldn't get while he was at MU? He still has yet to recruit that 5-star stud that the elite programs like UCLA, UNC, Duke, etc are always getting. Granted the program was in very bad shape when he took over, but he did/does have a lot of playing time to offer these kids.
Certainly, he will have IU in the dance in the next few years. But can he bring IU back to that elite status in college basketball (winning Big 10 titles, long tournament runs), I don't think so.
Well said Rjax
"Certainly, he will have IU in the dance in the next few years. But can he bring IU back to that elite status in college basketball (winning Big 10 titles, long tournament runs), I don't think so. "
Chicos like to keep the MU board so well informed of the goings on at clearly his favorite BBall program...IU. "IU just got a top 60 recruit" ahh they got him in the summer but thanks for letting us know. So far he has a 2 star and a 3 star commited for 2010. Like you said no better than Mu and arguably worse.
I am certain Tommy Naismith can average double digit losses for his career at IU like he did at MU. I am also certain he can attain double digit losses the last 5 years he is at IU just like he did at MU.
The real question is double digit losses and first round flameouts in the conference tourneys and the Ncaa tourneys going to suffice for the IU fans in years 5-6-7? Crean felt those mighty accomplishments afforded him the luxury to be an arrogant prick and demand contract renegotiations annually.
How will the IU fans who are dreaming of national title contention in just afew years feel about that type of performance and arrogance?
I will leave with this. And i said it for years when he was at MU that crean with his terrible offensive game planning and average defensive coaching has underperformed his talent over the years. Now while at IU he has collected (even looking forward to the 2010 and 2011 verbals) a decent to above average collection of 4 star and 3 star and 2 star players. However, his competiton...and let's be frank the Iu fans see his competiton as UNC, Duke, UCLA, MSU, OSU, Kentucky, Kansas, etc., have been collecting and simply amassing 5 star talent. Do they realistically see a collection of 2-3 and 4 star talents competing against collections of Mcdonalds all-americans? Maybe becuase he is Tommy naismith he can conquer all?
Unless he has a tremendous amount of transfers, given his 2010 and 2011 verbals, his reoster is pretty set for the next 4-5 years. It is a collection of lower third , bottom top half of the BIg Ten talent wise. currently MSU, OSU dwarf his talent, Purdue, Illinois, are more talented and better coached Michigan and Minnesots are knocking on the door. Putting them in my book somewhere between 3-5th place in the Big ten for the next 3-4 years, and probably well below that this year. is that what Iu fans are going to be happy with? sure they will in year 3 but year 4? year 5? year 6? add in most likely first or second round losses in the NCAA? Come year 5-6 what will his support level be?
Personally I am hoping for a slow miserable death.
Quote from: jmayer1 on October 15, 2009, 10:53:23 AM
Both of those 4 star recruits are for 2011. They currently only have a 2 star and 3 star for 2010. I think that's what Hayward was referencing.
Crean has landed 4 4-star recruits (Rivals) thus far for his first 3 recruiting classes (all in the 2009 class). Hardly the giant step up in recruiting he was hoping for in comparison to MU, who has landed 3 4-stars over the same period (also all in the 2009 class). Of course, I have no idea who IU is still in on for the 2010 class, but I have a feeling Buzz will get at least one 4-star for 2010 (I don't know much about many of MU's 2011 targets yet, I feel like Buzz is still focusing on 2010 right now).
Then Hayward needs to say that....because he said IU has NO 4 STAR recruits was his response, and that is not correct.
I also agree that Buzz will get at least one if not two 4 star recruits for 2010. IU has no 4 star recruits for 2010. Conversely, MU has none for 2011 and IU has 2 for 2011. It definitely will be interesting to watch, both will get their share of players.
Quote from: RJax55 on October 15, 2009, 11:15:29 AM
Its been interesting to watch this.... Crean has brought in some good players to IU, no doubt. But are these guys that he couldn't get while he was at MU? He still has yet to recruit that 5-star stud that the elite programs like UCLA, UNC, Duke, etc are always getting. Granted the program was in very bad shape when he took over, but he did/does have a lot of playing time to offer these kids.
Certainly, he will have IU in the dance in the next few years. But can he bring IU back to that elite status in college basketball (winning Big 10 titles, long tournament runs), I don't think so.
I think you're looking at it through a short sighted lens rather than longer view lens. MU receives very few 5 star recruits over it's history. IU, has received more, I think we can all agree (though even IU played a more systemic style of hoops historically that didn't require necessarily a bunch of 5 star players all the time).
If Crean gets them back to a respectable level with 3 and 4 star recruits, that will lead to him getting 5 star recruits because it's Indiana. Maybe Buzz starts landing 5 star recruits as well, but more than likely he will continue to get 3 and 4 stars.
IU isn't going to land many if any 5 star recruits these first couple of years because of where they are (coming off probation, bad team, etc), but they have a better upside to get them down the road because of who they are. Some people don't want to hear that, but that's the reality.
At this point in time, it is likely IU will get more 5 star recruits than MU because the state of Indiana produces more than Wisconsin. Crean's presence at the school will have little to no effect on that yield. In fact, it can be argued that some 5 star recruits will cross IU off their list because T-Cubed is the coach.
You know, some like chicken, some like feathers. Or some are fooled by a phony and some aren't.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 15, 2009, 10:32:10 PM
At this point in time, it is likely IU will get more 5 star recruits than MU because the state of Indiana produces more than Wisconsin. Crean's presence at the school will have little to no effect on that yield. In fact, it can be argued that some 5 star recruits will cross IU off their list because T-Cubed is the coach.
You know, some like chicken, some like feathers. Or some are fooled by a phony and some aren't.
That's probably fair, but kind of the point why he left MU. IU will get 5 star recruits because it's Indiana. MU will have a much tougher time pulling that off. Whether Crean is a good coach, bad coach, phony, salesman, etc, he's still going to have a chance at more 5 star players at IU than at MU. IU is the kingfish school in Indiana historically, MU has to fight for everything.
Rivals #22 ranked baller in the nation makes the trek down to Milwaukee this weekend to visit Marquette. This guy is legitimate folks. He's a rising star who can slash the lane and shoot the trey. Besides his signature baseline alley-oop this guy has some serious hangtime and is rising up the recruiting charts ( a la offers from Florida, UCLA, Arizona, Wis, Minn). However, recently, rivals updated his school statuses and he seems to now be leaning towards staying in state (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/schoolspop.asp?pr_key=76953). Personally, his talent would be be utilized in the Big East at MARQ where he can play his freestyle offense. I would hate to see another talented player go to UW and become a drone in the Bo Ryan put-me-to-sleep offense (remember Marcus Landry?, Wesley you did the right thing).
Bottom line, let's show him this weekend why playing on Big Monday and Saturday nights trump playing on 'super Tuesday' and Sunday afternoons. Lets show him what's it's like to play in an NBA stadium with a coach that lets your talent come to fruition. And best of all, let's give him a little taste of Water Street and why Marquette's deep-pocket ladies trump Madison's country thunder. This will be a good chance for Vander to re-unite with Jeronne Maymon his fellow teammate at Mad. Memorial HS, whom he "only talks to about girls." Either way, this combination can do some damage (both on and off the court). ;)
So yes, the forcast calls for BLUE skies this weekend...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Lb3mVE4aY