While losing Junior is a big blow, it may not be the worst thing in the world because most of our scoring was expected to come from other places besides the point guard spot this year. Junior was probably not expected to play tough defense on the point this year anyway, so a year of trimming fat and getting stronger will help him defensively in the future.
Lazar is this team's playmaker with the other wing guys doing the rest of the play making. I think that the team will do fine with point guards who just bring the ball up and get it into the hands of playmakers. Cubillan and Acker can definately do that. With the ball in Hayward, Butler, Maymon's hands, they can make the plays and set up their spot shooting point guards. Spot up shooting is definately the strength of the returning senior guards. Coob and Acker are not shut down defenders, but we are not losing anything defensively with Junior out.
As to the scoring load, I am going into this season expecting Butler to play 30-35 minutes/game and Hayward to play 35-40 minutes/game. That is a ton of time that has not left the rotation after these injuries. A combo of E Williams, Maymon, and Fulce will round out the wing spots. I was expecing about 70% of the scoring to come from these guys anyway, with the guards (Byucks, DJO, Acker, Cubillan) contributing about 25% of the points and the centers contributing maybe 5%. Byucks is still there to play wing and put up points, and DJO will be back to also contribute from a wing spot.
While having a play making point guard is great, this is a year that we want other guys making plays anyway. Junior will be better for us in the future.
You're kidding right? The only thing worse for this team would be to lose Hayward. I don't see where a make-shift point guard rotation has a silver lining for the team or Junior. Sucks bigtime.
don't know how much fat he's going to trim with a ruptured achilles, but who knows. i thought he was already in pretty good shape
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 27, 2009, 06:04:55 PM
You're kidding right? The only thing worse for this team would be to lose Hayward. I don't see where a make-shift point guard rotation has a silver lining for the team or Junior. Sucks bigtime.
Acker and Cubillan can get the ball up the floor into the hands of guys who can make plays. Maybe I was underestimating how much a kid who missed most of the summer was going to come in and start making plays and been the second most valuable player on the team. Sure, he probably would have been a solid contributor this year, but IMO losing Hayward, Butler, and actually Otule (our only true 5 we can count on to be eligible) would hurt more.
The silver lining is that he was probably not ready to play defense against guys like Scottie Reynolds anyway, so a year for him to trim down and get stronger will help him/Marquette in the future. He can also get a solid start on his academics as coming from the small Christian school in Texas to Marquette will be challenging.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on September 27, 2009, 07:10:44 PM
Acker and Cubillan can get the ball up the floor into the hands of guys who can make plays. Maybe I was underestimating how much a kid who missed most of the summer was going to come in and start making plays and been the second most valuable player on the team. Sure, he probably would have been a solid contributor this year, but IMO losing Hayward, Butler, and actually Otule (our only true 5 we can count on to be eligible) would hurt more.
The silver lining is that he was probably not ready to play defense against guys like Scottie Reynolds anyway, so a year for him to trim down and get stronger will help him/Marquette in the future. He can also get a solid start on his academics as coming from the small Christian school in Texas to Marquette will be challenging.
If you think Acker and Cubillan are ready to play defense against guys like Scottie Reynolds you're delusional.
I'm assuming you've never seen Cadougan play, because if you had there's no way you would hold this opinion. The dropoff between him and what he's capable of versus Acker and Cubillan is huge.
Well, his defense isn't going to improve sitting the year out. Game experience helps to solve that. In my opinion, Junior will go through the freshman growing pains next year instead of this season. Still see it as a major setback for the team and Buzz.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on September 27, 2009, 07:10:44 PM
Sure, he probably would have been a solid contributor this year, but IMO losing Hayward, Butler, and actually Otule (our only true 5 we can count on to be eligible) would hurt more.
You'd rather have Otule than Cadougan? Can't agree there - not even close. Not only is Junior's injury a huge blow to our current season prospects, I'm very worried about how it will affect him when he's back on the court. I think you're also underestimating the type of scoring that may come from DJO and/or Buycks - in fact, I think it's going to be key that one or both of those guys are able to score points for us.
research first, form opinions second, recheck research, create post.
do not deviate from this order or you will appear unknowledgable... like you just did, Hoops
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 27, 2009, 07:28:11 PM
You'd rather have Otule than Cadougan? Can't agree there - not even close. Not only is Junior's injury a huge blow to our current season prospects, I'm very worried about how it will affect him when he's back on the court. I think you're also underestimating the type of scoring that may come from DJO and/or Buycks - in fact, I think it's going to be key that one or both of those guys are able to score points for us.
The sky is falling! Oh wait, that was an acorn.
Quote from: mviale on September 27, 2009, 09:48:15 PM
The sky is falling! Oh wait, that was an acorn.
ACORN...again? Tired of seeing them in the news the last few weeks. ;)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 27, 2009, 10:02:51 PM
ACORN...again? Tired of seeing them in the news the last few weeks. ;)
Exactly, just a distraction.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on September 27, 2009, 05:47:40 PM
While having a play making point guard is great, this is a year that we want other guys making plays anyway. Junior will be better for us in the future.
You clearly have never seen JC play. He is a phenomenal passer/distributor. He would've been the perfect PG to set up DB, DJO, and Lazar.
Cubi and Acker cannot run the PG like Cadougan.
There is zero benefit to Junior sitting out this year other than getting 2 semesters of academic credits under his belt. Otherwise he is going to spend the next 12 months coming back from a serious injury. Not to mention that he is a darn good player who won't get any exerience for a year. Hard to derive any benefits from this.
any word on what they are going to do with him? medical red shirt? or wait and see?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 27, 2009, 10:02:51 PM
ACORN...again? Tired of seeing them in the news the last few weeks. ;)
Topical, funny, and even one as dense as me gets it. The Captain approves.
Quote from: Nukem2 on September 28, 2009, 08:58:39 AM
There is zero benefit to Junior sitting out this year other than getting 2 semesters of academic credits under his belt. Otherwise he is going to spend the next 12 months coming back from a serious injury. Not to mention that he is a darn good player who won't get any exerience for a year. Hard to derive any benefits from this.
I agree except for one additional comment that it would've been worse if it happened late enough that he could not redshirt and still didn't get to experience playing late in the year.