What is it with UT coaches making stupid comments in front of boosters?
"Pearl apologizes for off-the-cuff joke"
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/...tory?id=4502768
"I've got a tough job. I've got to put these guys from different worlds together, right?' Pearl said. "I've got guys from Chicago, Detroit ... I'm talking about the 'hood! And I've got guys from Grainger County, where they wear the hood.''
wow get over it folks. If Al said it it would be in the media guide. he is right, if some rednecks from Grainger county take offense they need to ask themselves if he is right.
Let me guess, Hayward probably thinks it's just fine. In the end, it's just a joke, but for all the upstanding people in Grainger county, the 99.999999999% that don't wear the hood, it's a slap in the face at those people.
I get it. I understand Bruce. He makes a very valid point. Here's this East Coast Jewish dude coaching and winning in the Bible Belt. And, the folks love him. He's their hero putting 21,000 in for every game singing "Rocky Top." There's a lot of truth to what he said and a history lesson besides.
Problem is, you just can't say the truth anymore.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 25, 2009, 11:42:39 AM
I get it. I understand Bruce. He makes a very valid point. Here's this East Coast Jewish dude coaching and winning in the Bible Belt. And, the folks love him. He's their hero putting 21,000 in for every game singing "Rocky Top." There's a lot of truth to what he said and a history lesson besides.
Problem is, you just can't say the truth anymore.
There's also a lot of hyperbole as well on his part. He chose to go to UT, he's in their backyard. The region has been stained by actions of people but that doesn't make all people or even most people there to be representative of his comments.
To your point, there is some truth to it, but it is way to broad based and paints everyone which is not correct.
Agreed, nothing like this should be said by a college coach in public, or anywhere really. But that was pretty clever by pearl
get over yourselves...people need to get off their politcally correct high horses and pull the colective sticks out of ther asses. good to see that some level headed common man americans think that it is no big deal....
But Doug McBee, a Grainger County resident and the father of Tennessee freshman guard Skylar McBee, said Pearl should not be misunderstood, according to The Tennessean of Nashville.
"There's no hard feelings at all,'' Doug McBee said, according to The Tennessean. "We are country up here, but we're not prejudice. It was a joke, and that's how I took it.''
Its just a dumb thing to say. Get a clue.
In the grand scheme of things, no reason to get panties up in a bunch, but pretty obvious not the forum to be saying it.
As usual, people look for excuses to feign being offended.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 25, 2009, 01:12:33 PM
As usual, people look for excuses to feign being offended.
Give me a break, you're still pissed at Crean for a lot of things much less offensive than associating an entire county with the KKK. But let me guess, it's ok for Pearl to do it because that's just how he is, while Crean was being phony.
I confess ... I chuckled. Nearly even guffawed.
If the fine people of Grainger County can't take a joke, f--- 'em.
I have a new found respect for o'l Bruce. I kind of the old C-USA days where making fun of the hillbillies was as daily occurence.
Quote from: jmayer1 on September 25, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Give me a break, you're still pissed at Crean for a lot of things much less offensive than associating an entire county with the KKK. But let me guess, it's ok for Pearl to do it because that's just how he is, while Crean was being phony.
i missed where pearl said everyone in the county wore hats. I think the down to earth people of that county like the young man's father would chuckle and say yeah we did have/had some of them. Hard to be too offended by the truth.
i guess the high and mighty get offended....PRN hit the nail sqyaure on the head.
meybe this will start a movement to ban Larry the cable guy and Jeff foxworthy becuase of their unsympathetic and downright shameful discrimination of the good folks south of the mason-dixon.
I sure as heck am glad i dont associate with the pompous asses that are outraged by something as harmless as this....those would be the policially correct pinkos...someof whome have already identified themselves above. Dont you people have better things to do with your lifes then to spend them as such losers.
I guarantee the room was laughing and not a sigal person had a problem with it until some pink from the liberal left in NYC or from the faculty got wind of it. I also guarantee not a singla player or parent had an issue with it...seeing how it is true and some times irony is actually funny.
pathetic
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on September 25, 2009, 02:46:51 PM
meybe this will start a movement to ban Larry the cable guy and Jeff foxworthy becuase of their unsympathetic and downright shameful discrimination of the good folks south of the mason-dixon.
Maybe Bruce will be relegated to the respect level of some white-trash comics instead of the level of respect and responsibility garnered by the head coach of a major state university.
Foxworthy and Larry the cable guy have made a living off of saying stupid crap that poor hicks from the south find marginally funny. As the public face of his institution Bruce has to be a little more careful with his off the cuff remarks. I doubt that anyone is terribly pissed about his "hood" comments, but if it becomes a recurring phenomenon he may end up back at UWM for a stint... or maybe he'll end up on late-night Comedy Central, who knows.
You know you're a redneck when you mow your lawn...and you find YOUR CAR!!
Sorry about the racist joke.
Quote from: jmayer1 on September 25, 2009, 01:19:02 PM
Give me a break, you're still pissed at Crean for a lot of things much less offensive than associating an entire county with the KKK. But let me guess, it's ok for Pearl to do it because that's just how he is, while Crean was being phony.
If Crean had even an whisper of a sense of humor, he might be marginably likable, although that's debatable. Instead, he chooses to create his entire personality from self-help books, despite not having a fraction of the charisma, personality or leadership qualities or of the people who wrote them.
Here's an rule of thumb, jmayer, if you're not personally offended, it's probably not something worthy of getting your panties in a bunch.
People who speak for others on the subject of what's offensive...now THAT'S offensive!
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on September 25, 2009, 02:46:51 PM
i missed where pearl said everyone in the county wore hats. I think the down to earth people of that county like the young man's father would chuckle and say yeah we did have/had some of them. Hard to be too offended by the truth.
i guess the high and mighty get offended....PRN hit the nail sqyaure on the head.
meybe this will start a movement to ban Larry the cable guy and Jeff foxworthy becuase of their unsympathetic and downright shameful discrimination of the good folks south of the mason-dixon.
I don't have any problem with what Pearl said, but if the outrage takes out Larry the Cable Guy in the process, I'm OK with that.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 25, 2009, 03:26:32 PM
I don't have any problem with what Pearl said, but if the outrage takes out Larry the Cable Guy in the process, I'm OK with that.
Git r done.
I'm ashamed of myself for knowing that.
If I remember my Indiana history right...the KKK started there or was one of the birthplaces. I'll bet Plymouth, IN was close to the epicenter.
The hood comment must strike homen eh Hayward?
See how those broad brushed comments about race are off base? Jokes are great, but racial ones like Bruce's are stupid.
Maybe he can take a limo to a funeral to make amends.
I wonder how his players and recruits feel about Pearl joking openly about it.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 25, 2009, 03:24:07 PM
If Crean had even an whisper of a sense of humor, he might be marginably likable, although that's debatable. Instead, he chooses to create his entire personality from self-help books, despite not having a fraction of the charisma, personality or leadership qualities or of the people who wrote them.
Here's an rule of thumb, jmayer, if you're not personally offended, it's probably not something worthy of getting your panties in a bunch.
People who speak for others on the subject of what's offensive...now THAT'S offensive!
+1 GOOGLE
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 25, 2009, 07:29:06 PM
I wonder how his players and recruits feel about Pearl joking openly about it.
they probably laughed about it and then wondered what was wrong with his staement that he had to apologize.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 25, 2009, 07:28:40 PM
If I remember my Indiana history right...the KKK started there or was one of the birthplaces. I'll bet Plymouth, IN was close to the epicenter.
The hood comment must strike homen eh Hayward?
See how those broad brushed comments about race are off base? Jokes are great, but racial ones like Bruce's are stupid.
Maybe he can take a limo to a funeral to make amends.
yeah you can tell how much offense i take to it. sort of like when Bobby knight brought a bull whip to his NCAA tournament press conference and made one joke after another about how his "boys" were really playing well be cause he was using some new training tactics, etc etc. Oh yeah some people went crazy about that...i am sure chicos did too. the more grounded majority of the population thought it was funny as did his players. pull the stick out....
As usual, people look for excuses to feign being offended. - PRN
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on September 25, 2009, 03:24:07 PM
If Crean had even an whisper of a sense of humor, he might be marginably likable, although that's debatable. Instead, he chooses to create his entire personality from self-help books, despite not having a fraction of the charisma, personality or leadership qualities or of the people who wrote them.
Here's an rule of thumb, jmayer, if you're not personally offended, it's probably not something worthy of getting your panties in a bunch.
People who speak for others on the subject of what's offensive...now THAT'S offensive!
+1000. There is far too much feigned outrage today. Those with a sense of humor understand that someone or some group is the butt of every joke and we all take turns. Unfortunately people looking to be offended or angry will usually find an excuse.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 25, 2009, 07:28:40 PM
If I remember my Indiana history right...the KKK started there or was one of the birthplaces. I'll bet Plymouth, IN was close to the epicenter.
The hood comment must strike homen eh Hayward?
See how those broad brushed comments about race are off base? Jokes are great, but racial ones like Bruce's are stupid.
Maybe he can take a limo to a funeral to make amends.
Chicos...the KKK was started by an ex-confederate general named Nathan Bedford Forrest in Tennessee. Kind of a useless piece of information and I am not quite sure why I remember it.
Indiana was the hotbed of the KKK in the early 20th century. Rumor was they tried to buy Valparaiso University for a Klan college.
Quote from: MUDPT on September 25, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
Indiana was the hotbed of the KKK in the early 20th century. Rumor was they tried to buy Valparaiso University for a Klan college.
That isn't rumor...that is 100% fact. It was sold to the Lutherans instead.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 26, 2009, 08:54:12 AM
That isn't rumor...that is 100% fact. It was sold to the Lutherans instead.
Correct. The Lutherans outbid the KKK for the university, but the KKK spread the rumor on the East Coast that they had bought it to give more hype to their actual acquisition of Alma College, which was very close to Princeton.
Quote from: marqptm on September 26, 2009, 10:12:27 AM
Correct. The Lutherans outbid the KKK for the university, but the KKK spread the rumor on the East Coast that they had bought it to give more hype to their actual acquisition of Alma College, which was very close to Princeton.
Slight correction...Alma White College. Not to be confused with Alma College in Michigan.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 25, 2009, 01:24:44 PM
I confess ... I chuckled. Nearly even guffawed.
If the fine people of Grainger County can't take a joke, f--- 'em.
I'll have to remember that. Nothing like calling people bigots, racists or KKK members when the vast majority aren't. Damn, what a riot...knee slappers.
Sorry, I don't play into the white guilt cottage industry that exists out there. It was a dumb thing to say and I'm glad he apologized.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 25, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
+1000. There is far too much feigned outrage today. Those with a sense of humor understand that someone or some group is the butt of every joke and we all take turns. Unfortunately people looking to be offended or angry will usually find an excuse.
LOL
I'm one of the most un-PC guys out there. I don't believe in any of that crap. As for outraged, I'm not outraged at all, just think it's a stupid statement on his part.....especially with his position. But having said that, if I was a citizen of Grainger County I would not be too pleased that the 2nd highest paid employee in the state of Tennessee just implied that members of the county were KKK, whether it was a joke or not.
Maybe he should complain more publicly about kids breaking their verbal commitments and not keeping their word (all the while he can explain how great he was at keeping his commitment to his wife and kids)
Quote from: PJDunn on September 25, 2009, 09:21:12 PM
I just recall Indiana being one of the birthplaces of the movement based on what I heard when I was in grad school. Indiana was apparently a home for many KKK enclaves and if you look at the names of some of the towns it plays into that.
I don't remember, did Pitino, Eustacy, or Sutton apologize? Now they acted stupidly. Bruce, joking at a fundraiser, was nothing compared to those guys. In retrospect, his choice of humor could have been better. Per usual with these types of things, the battle lines are drawn along the sides of whether or not you like Bruce to begin with.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 26, 2009, 11:28:41 AM
I don't remember, did Pitino, Eustacy, or Sutton apologize? Now they acted stupidly. Bruce, joking at a fundraiser, was nothing compared to those guys. In retrospect, his choice of humor could have been better. Per usual with these types of things, the battle lines are drawn along the sides of whether or not you like Bruce to begin with.
I think Bruce is a very funny guy...funny enough that he didn't need to make that comment. He's also an excellent coach. He's also a hypocrite when it comes to NCAA rules, commitments, etc. He's lauded for what he did at Iowa turning in Illinois and yet only a few years later the rules are somehow not as sacred when he's at UWM.
I'm not sure comparing Bruce to those pricks above does him any service.
Here's a hypothetical, with no inside info at all:
If Pearl were named MU's coach tomorrow, how would posters react?
Have we heard from the fine folks of Grainger?
Their ONLINE paper only comes out weekly so I wait with bated breath for next week's ONLINE paper.
Until this week, I'll just imagine the exhuberance that the fine folks of Grainger Co take in the now legal sale of beer in Blaine, TN.
http://www.graingertoday.com/
Beer just got allowed...sure does seem REAL forward thinking!
Quote from: The Lens on September 26, 2009, 05:41:09 PM
Have we heard from the fine folks of Grainger?
Their ONLINE paper only comes out weekly so I wait with bated breath for next week's ONLINE paper.
Until this week, I'll just imagine the exhuberance that the fine folks of Grainger Co take in the now legal sale of beer in Blaine, TN.
http://www.graingertoday.com/
Beer just got allowed...sure does seem REAL forward thinking!
I hear the people of Grainger County were so upset they lynched Bruce Pearl in effigy.
That'll learn him.
Quote from: The Lens on September 26, 2009, 05:41:09 PM
Have we heard from the fine folks of Grainger?
Their ONLINE paper only comes out weekly so I wait with bated breath for next week's ONLINE paper.
Until this week, I'll just imagine the exhuberance that the fine folks of Grainger Co take in the now legal sale of beer in Blaine, TN.
http://www.graingertoday.com/
Beer just got allowed...sure does seem REAL forward thinking!
But Doug McBee, a Grainger County resident and the father of Tennessee freshman guard Skylar McBee, said Pearl should not be misunderstood, according to The Tennessean of Nashville.
"There's no hard feelings at all,'' Doug McBee said, according to The Tennessean. "We are country up here, but we're not prejudice. It was a joke, and that's how I took it.''
Quote from: 4everwarriors on September 26, 2009, 12:04:30 PM
Here's a hypothetical, with no inside info at all:
If Pearl were named MU's coach tomorrow, how would posters react?
Definitely a hypothetical so I'm not going to waste much energy thinking about it. There's a distinct reason (actually many) that we didn't play UWM when he was there. Those reasons would lead to MU never hiring him so no need to waste many more brain cells contemplating it.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 26, 2009, 06:49:53 PM
I hear the people of Grainger County were so upset they lynched Bruce Pearl in effigy.
That'll learn him.
LOL
Yes, let's make sure that's the standard moving forward. I love it. Unless everyone is upset, it's ok to say whatever you want. Again, I'll remember this....I like how you think Pakuni, that is of course until you pull 180 and apply a totally different standard toward someone else in the public spotlight. ;D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 26, 2009, 11:51:07 PM
LOL
Yes, let's make sure that's the standard moving forward. I love it. Unless everyone is upset, it's ok to say whatever you want. Again, I'll remember this....I like how you think Pakuni, that is of course until you pull 180 and apply a totally different standard toward someone else in the public spotlight. ;D
?????
So let's see here ... When (some) Native Americans complain of the warrior nickname and it's less than flattering history, you proclaim them overly sensitive. When Bruce Pearl makes
a joke you proclaim the people of Grainger County, and others, not sensitive enough.
Hmmmm.
Tell me, since you're the expert on all things offensive, as a person of Irish heritage should I or should I not be offended by the Notre Dame leprechaun?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 26, 2009, 11:20:56 AM
LOL
I'm one of the most un-PC guys out there. I don't believe in any of that crap. As for outraged, I'm not outraged at all, just think it's a stupid statement on his part.....especially with his position. But having said that, if I was a citizen of Grainger County I would not be too pleased that the 2nd highest paid employee in the state of Tennessee just implied that members of the county were KKK, whether it was a joke or not.
Maybe he should complain more publicly about kids breaking their verbal commitments and not keeping their word (all the while he can explain how great he was at keeping his commitment to his wife and kids)
People who are truly "un-PC" are comfortable with the fact that their jokes, opinions, etc are neither mean spirited nor bigoted. They understand that those (professional victims, race hustlers, the profoundly and excessively "guilty", etc) who point fingers at them are, in fact, trivializing true racism, bigotry, and cruelty. Thus the true "un-PC" cares not at all about these perceptions (misperceptions).
You, on the other hand, are VERY concerned with perceptions and are usually the first to point out how things might "look". Not the modus operandi of a true "non- PCer".
Lenny you are so right. Forgive me....you and Hayward are like Captain and Tennile on this one and really, I don't want to divide that duo.
Now I understand why so many people didn't want Joe Wilson to apologize....he was only joking. ;D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 27, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Lenny you are so right. Forgive me....you and Hayward are like Captain and Tennile on this one and really, I don't want to divide that duo.
Now I understand why so many people didn't want Joe Wilson to apologize....he was only joking. ;D
Sorry that I don't "get" your joke(s). But thanks for making me the Captain. I'm sure Hayward is crushed.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2009, 09:24:49 PM
Sorry that I don't "get" your joke(s). But thanks for making me the Captain. I'm sure Hayward is crushed.
Nice.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
People who are truly "un-PC" are comfortable with the fact that their jokes, opinions, etc are neither mean spirited nor bigoted. They understand that those (professional victims, race hustlers, the profoundly and excessively "guilty", etc) who point fingers at them are, in fact, trivializing true racism, bigotry, and cruelty. Thus the true "un-PC" cares not at all about these perceptions (misperceptions).
You, on the other hand, are VERY concerned with perceptions and are usually the first to point out how things might "look". Not the modus operandi of a true "non- PCer".
well said lenny way to point out the hypocrites hypocrisy
Quote from: PJDunn on September 25, 2009, 09:21:12 PM
PJ
You probably remember it because of Forrest Gump. That's who he states he was named after. ;)
I agree that people are too PC in a lot of cases (this one included).
This was just a joke.
However, Bruce is not a stand up comedian, so he doesn't have the same license that they get.
The head basketball coach at a major university needs to watch how he speaks in public. Simple as that.
What is funny with your buddy at a local bar, might not be funny printed in a newspaper.
Quote from: 2002mualum on September 28, 2009, 09:30:30 AM
I agree that people are too PC in a lot of cases (this one included).
This was just a joke.
However, Bruce is not a stand up comedian, so he doesn't have the same license that they get.
The head basketball coach at a major university needs to watch how he speaks in public. Simple as that.
What is funny with your buddy at a local bar, might not be funny printed in a newspaper.
+1 That's all this is about....as we know, certain people are allowed to say certain things and others are not. It's B.S., but that's the world we live in.
Quote from: MUDPT on September 25, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
Indiana was the hotbed of the KKK in the early 20th century. Rumor was they tried to buy Valparaiso University for a Klan college.
True. KKK didn't start there though, that was much earlier. KKK had enough clout in Indiana that the state legislature was under their control for much of the 1920's
Political correctness is Cultural Marxism, something worth googling since it isn't exactly an accident of cultural progress. However well-meaning one might be by defining the rules of what's acceptable, I'm more bothered by the PC police than by what someone says without thinking.
Quote from: MOwarrior on September 28, 2009, 05:17:39 PM
Political correctness is Cultural Marxism, something worth googling since it isn't exactly an accident of cultural progress. However well-meaning one might be by defining the rules of what's acceptable, I'm more bothered by the PC police than by what someone says without thinking.
99.9999% of the time, I agree with that statement....unless the person making the stupid statement is claiming his own fan base is racist. Not very funny and definitely not what I'd expect a coach to call his team's followers.
That term has been thrown around way too much of late and it's getting old. You can't dare to question a certain national leader without the claim of racist coming up from some prominent folks. If a certain singer doesn't win an award but a country singer does, well that must be racist (unless you're Kanye West practicing his own form of racism through the years in which case that's ok and not racism).
...and now we get to the real crux of MUWarrior74's problem...... I knew you 'd get there, Chico, I was just waiting. You lasted longer than I thought you would.
No, you call him a racist and stand by it, or you say he said something stupid, like we all do from time to time, and let it be.
Excuse me Tower? My problem is that throwing around terms of racism isn't cool and unfortunately lessens the degree of how terrible racism is. If everything is racist, well then soon nothing is racist. That's my point. By making racism the butt of jokes or crying wolf racism so often today in society, it cheapens it. There are racists all over the world, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc.....everywhere. We have some deadly strains of it right now happening where I live. It's terrible and people are dying over it. Shooting people in the head because of the color of their skin or because they are Asian or Hispanic. It's sick.
Quite frankly, I don't think joking about race is very funny.....especially when so many people in this country are trying to move forward and beyond race.
i feel incrementally more stupid after every chicos post i read.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
99.9999% of the time, I agree with that statement....unless the person making the stupid statement is claiming his own fan base is racist. Not very funny and definitely not what I'd expect a coach to call his team's followers.
That term has been thrown around way too much of late and it's getting old. You can't dare to question a certain national leader without the claim of racist coming up from some prominent folks. If a certain singer doesn't win an award but a country singer does, well that must be racist (unless you're Kanye West practicing his own form of racism through the years in which case that's ok and not racism).
Bruce Pearl will be happy that you think he's one in a million.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2009, 06:14:48 PM
Excuse me Tower? My problem is that throwing around terms of racism isn't cool and unfortunately lessens the degree of how terrible racism is. If everything is racist, well then soon nothing is racist. That's my point. By making racism the butt of jokes or crying wolf racism so often today in society, it cheapens it. There are racists all over the world, white, black, Hispanic, Asian, etc.....everywhere. We have some deadly strains of it right now happening where I live. It's terrible and people are dying over it. Shooting people in the head because of the color of their skin or because they are Asian or Hispanic. It's sick.
Quite frankly, I don't think joking about race is very funny.....especially when so many people in this country are trying to move forward and beyond race.
While I agree with elements of your rant, the idea that any subject is off limits to humor is epitome of PC. There is nothing funny about alchoholism, drug addiction, sexual dysfunction, etc, etc, etc, but I've heard (and told) more than a few what I consider to be funny jokes on these and a myriad of other "unfunny" topics.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 28, 2009, 08:07:17 PM
While I agree with elements of your rant, the idea that any subject is off limits to humor is epitome of PC. There is nothing funny about alchoholism, drug addiction, sexual dysfunction, etc, etc, etc, but I've heard (and told) more than a few what I consider to be funny jokes on these and a myriad of other "unfunny" topics.
You may be right Lenny. I just put race in a different category. Many people through their own stupid decisions have gone down the path of drug addiction, alcoholism, etc (and yes, I realize some are in that state due to a medical condition) and thus people joke about it because of moronic behavior. I put racism on a different rung, especially in today's day and age when people are screaming racism at such an alarming rate.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2009, 08:14:31 PM
You may be right Lenny. I just put race in a different category. Many people through their own stupid decisions have gone down the path of drug addiction, alcoholism, etc (and yes, I realize some are in that state due to a medical condition) and thus people joke about it because of moronic behavior. I put racism on a different rung, especially in today's day and age when people are screaming racism at such an alarming rate.
I just don't see how bogus claims of racism should make race/racism off limits to humor. Seems to me we could use more jokes and less posturing and faux outrage.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 28, 2009, 08:43:49 PM
I just don't see how bogus claims of racism should make race/racism off limits to humor. Seems to me we could use more jokes and less posturing and faux outrage.
Believe me, most of my "outrage" is not directed at Bruce Pearl, but folks screaming racism every two minutes. The latest being the peanut gem from Georgia.
I'm with Lenny's. Charges of Racism are meant to shut up opposition and really don't have much impact anymore. at least not to me because it is too knee jerk to be substantive.
Chico's is on point- racism is rampant no matter what race you are. Most of the time it is just being comfortable with your own. N.B. there is no word in Gaelic for " The Race"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 28, 2009, 10:53:09 AM
+1 That's all this is about....as we know, certain people are allowed to say certain things and others are not. It's B.S., but that's the world we live in.
examples??
I know it's going to happen soon, but Supahbah!
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 28, 2009, 08:43:49 PM
I just don't see how bogus claims of racism should make race/racism off limits to humor. Seems to me we could use more jokes and less posturing and faux outrage.
Bogus? Are you seriously claiming that the accusations against the KKK are merely "bogus claims of racism", and therefore their actions are fair game for jokes.
Or are you saying that because there are other examples of "faux outrage" we can now ignore any and all legitimate claims? Because some people have overplayed the racism card, you no longer feel obligated to recognize the real injustices by the KKK that have occurred?
I'm sorry, but I think most decent people are able to differentiate between examples of "faux outrage" and the very real sins committed by the KKK.
If you think the KKK is a joking matter and opposition to them is driven by "bogus claims of racism", I suggest you go back to the history books and learn what you quite obviously missed the first time around.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on September 29, 2009, 12:53:16 AM
examples??
I know it's going to happen soon, but Supahbah!
Are you serious? Without turning this into a Supahbah post, you want me to list things that some people can say and not get in trouble for and others can't say would literally get canned for saying them?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 29, 2009, 09:48:21 AM
Are you serious? Without turning this into a Supahbah post, you want me to list things that some people can say and not get in trouble for and others can't say would literally get canned for saying them?
This is an easy one.
Dave Chapelle is hilarious. His show was awesome and extremely popular. He touched on a lot of sensitive issues in a very honest, smart and funny way.
The President of the United States (regardless of who he is) cannot say the same things as Chapelle (even if they are true).
Back on topic: Bruce made an inappropriate joke (that might be funny behind closed doors, but not in public), and he later apologized for it. Not a big deal.
"I don't see race."
-Stephen Colbert & ChicosBailBonds
Quote from: Marquette84 on September 29, 2009, 08:22:31 AM
Bogus? Are you seriously claiming that the accusations against the KKK are merely "bogus claims of racism", and therefore their actions are fair game for jokes.
Or are you saying that because there are other examples of "faux outrage" we can now ignore any and all legitimate claims? Because some people have overplayed the racism card, you no longer feel obligated to recognize the real injustices by the KKK that have occurred?
I'm sorry, but I think most decent people are able to differentiate between examples of "faux outrage" and the very real sins committed by the KKK.
If you think the KKK is a joking matter and opposition to them is driven by "bogus claims of racism", I suggest you go back to the history books and learn what you quite obviously missed the first time around.
WTF? Do you have any reading comprehension skills whatsoever? 1. Never, anywhere do I or would I claim that accusations against the KKK are merely bogus claims of racism. 2. Again, I never suggested that real racial injustices perpetrated by the KKK (or any other racist group) be ignored. Quite the contrary. Racism is a terrible blot on our coutry's history and the KKK is an integral part of that history.
As to what subjects should be banned from any jokes/humor, you tell me. A list of what books to ban would also be helpful.
Oh, and thaks for the lecture even if you (as is your wont) totally misinterpreted and mis represented my earlier posts.
Quote from: 2002mualum on September 29, 2009, 11:00:06 AM
This is an easy one.
Dave Chapelle is hilarious. His show was awesome and extremely popular. He touched on a lot of sensitive issues in a very honest, smart and funny way.
The President of the United States (regardless of who he is) cannot say the same things as Chapelle (even if they are true).
Back on topic: Bruce made an inappropriate joke (that might be funny behind closed doors, but not in public), and he later apologized for it. Not a big deal.
Thanks, 2002.
I wonder if they're still talking about this in TN.
Quote from: 2002mualum on September 29, 2009, 11:00:06 AM
This is an easy one.
Dave Chapelle is hilarious. His show was awesome and extremely popular. He touched on a lot of sensitive issues in a very honest, smart and funny way.
The President of the United States (regardless of who he is) cannot say the same things as Chapelle (even if they are true).
Back on topic: Bruce made an inappropriate joke (that might be funny behind closed doors, but not in public), and he later apologized for it. Not a big deal.
This and your previous post on the subject are spot on. No topic is off limits for humor but both a person's position and the forum he chooses are relevant.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on September 29, 2009, 11:29:07 AM
"I don't see race."
-Stephen Colbert & ChicosBailBonds
Oh, I see it, I just don't act on it. I choose to live in a city that I'm a minority in. I choose to send my children to a school that they are minorities. I choose to hire people based on their merits (and based on that philosophy, I have a very diverse group anyway you wish to categorize ...ethnic, gender, orientation, ideology, etc). You can't ignore race unless you're blind, but one can most certainly act with colorblind lens which is what most people attempt to do. Treat people fairly, treat people equally and with respect, reward based on merit. Simple credo.
I believe we should be a colorblind society but at the same time there is a cottage industry of white guilt out there that has the best intentions but paints with much too broad a brush and essentially paints people as racists that are not, simply by the actions of their ancestors years ago (it's essentially a form of racism in and of itself). Terrible things happened (and still happen) to people on this planet due to racism. No group has been excluded....no one (every group has been a victim...some even having racist acts committed by the very groups that have historically been victims themselves). I just don't see how screaming racism all the time moves us forward. I'd argue, it moves us backward. When you start labeling people racists when they are not, whether it's a joke or not, that is not productive. IMO.
I'm more steamed at the cries of racism by some power brokers than I am Bruce Pearl. He's just a big, hairy idiot that paints his skin orange and tells a lot of "funny" jokes. Fuzzy Zoeller once told a "funny" joke, too, only people didn't think it was so funny (neither did I).
Quote from: 2002mualum on September 29, 2009, 11:00:06 AM
This is an easy one.
Dave Chapelle is hilarious. His show was awesome and extremely popular. He touched on a lot of sensitive issues in a very honest, smart and funny way.
The President of the United States (regardless of who he is) cannot say the same things as Chapelle (even if they are true).
Back on topic: Bruce made an inappropriate joke (that might be funny behind closed doors, but not in public), and he later apologized for it. Not a big deal.
I wasn't even thinking comedians, who have their own license to say pretty much anything they want (though even then there is a code....Richard Pryor could say things that Jerry Seinfeld is not allowed to.)
I was thinking more along the lines of people in power (corporate leaders, academics, politicians, etc)....some people are allowed to say some things with no recourse while others would be shown the door immediately if they said those same things. Again, also a very simple exercise that would reveal many names and examples in no time at all.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 29, 2009, 01:45:21 PM
I wasn't even thinking comedians, who have their own license to say pretty much anything they want (though even then there is a code....Richard Pryor could say things that Jerry Seinfeld is not allowed to.)
I was thinking more along the lines of people in power (corporate leaders, academics, politicians, etc)....some people are allowed to say some things with no recourse while others would be shown the door immediately if they said those same things. Again, also a very simple exercise that would reveal many names and examples in no time at all.
Just one small edit, people are allowed to say whatever they want. (Except fire in a crowded theater...), but people have to deal with consequences of what they say, and what forum they choose to say it. Freedom of speech is very misunderstood. I am free to call my boss a jag, but I have to deal with his response.
Quote from: reinko on September 29, 2009, 02:53:41 PM
Just one small edit, people are allowed to say whatever they want. (Except fire in a crowded theater...), but people have to deal with consequences of what they say, and what forum they choose to say it. Freedom of speech is very misunderstood. I am free to call my boss a jag, but I have to deal with his response.
That's a good point. We're talking about socially acceptable vs. legal.
Quote from: reinko on September 29, 2009, 02:53:41 PM
Just one small edit, people are allowed to say whatever they want. (Except fire in a crowded theater...), but people have to deal with consequences of what they say, and what forum they choose to say it. Freedom of speech is very misunderstood. I am free to call my boss a jag, but I have to deal with his response.
Correct...I'm referencing the consequences....some people can say things with no or little consequences that if another person said the same thing would suffer severe consequences
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 29, 2009, 03:05:41 PM
Correct...I'm referencing the consequences....some people can say things with no or little consequences that if another person said the same thing would suffer severe consequences
please stop baiting the idiot. unfortunately at the peak of the recruitng period when recruits are most assuredly looking at this board the village idiot insists on making post after retarded post and keeping this string at the top of the page. if you stop responding to chicos he might hopefully go away and stop making marquette by extension look so unappealing
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
1. Never, anywhere do I or would I claim that accusations against the KKK are merely bogus claims of racism.
Fine. You don't think the charges against the KKK were bogus. Then you think that claims of faux outrage justify jokes about legitimate racism. Its one or the other.
Or is there some other reason you find the KKK and its actions funny enough to joke about?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
2. Again, I never suggested that real racial injustices perpetrated by the KKK (or any other racist group) be ignored. Quite the contrary. Racism is a terrible blot on our coutry's history and the KKK is an integral part of that history.
And nobody said that you are claiming that racism should be
ignored.It's actually much worse--you claim we should
JOKE ABOUT IT!!!!!"Seems to me we could use more jokes and less posturing and faux outrage."We actually COULD use less posturing and faux outrage.
But frankly, I can't see how someone would use that as their excuse to justify turning legitimate racism (not bogus racism or faux outrage) into a joking matter.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
As to what subjects should be banned from any jokes/humor, you tell me. A list of what books to ban would also be helpful.
Well, lets start with the KKK and their actions. You're having problems even finding THAT subject beyond joking.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
Oh, and thaks for the lecture even if you (as is your wont) totally misinterpreted and mis represented my earlier posts.
I misreprestented nothing. You think the KKK and its racism are acceptable matters for joking, and are taking people to task for suggesting otherwise:
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 25, 2009, 09:14:35 PM
+1000. There is far too much feigned outrage today. Those with a sense of humor understand that someone or some group is the butt of every joke and we all take turns. Unfortunately people looking to be offended or angry will usually find an excuse.
Now, I thought you said: "Never, anywhere do I or would I claim that accusations against the KKK are merely bogus claims of racism."
And yet, responding in a thread about the KKK, you claim that there is "far too much" feigned outrage.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 27, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
People who are truly "un-PC" are comfortable with the fact that their jokes, opinions, etc are neither mean spirited nor bigoted. They understand that those (professional victims, race hustlers, the profoundly and excessively "guilty", etc) who point fingers at them are, in fact, trivializing true racism, bigotry, and cruelty. Thus the true "un-PC" cares not at all about these perceptions (misperceptions).
You, on the other hand, are VERY concerned with perceptions and are usually the first to point out how things might "look". Not the modus operandi of a true "non- PCer".
We're talking about the KKK, and you respond with a rant about professional victims, race hustlers, etc.). Again, I thought you never said that the KKK was bogus.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 28, 2009, 08:07:17 PM
While I agree with elements of your rant, the idea that any subject is off limits to humor is epitome of PC. There is nothing funny about alchoholism, drug addiction, sexual dysfunction, etc, etc, etc, but I've heard (and told) more than a few what I consider to be funny jokes on these and a myriad of other "unfunny" topics.
Perhaps this explains why you think legitimate racism is a laughing matter.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on September 29, 2009, 04:34:40 PM
unfortunately at the peak of the recruitng period when recruits are most assuredly looking at this board the village idiot insists on making post after retarded post
Yet you're still here!
If you are truly concerned about recruits reading the rantings of the village idiot making post after stupid post, would you please go to Badgermaniac until recruiting season is over. And take PRN with you.
Thank you in advance.
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Quote from: Marquette84 on September 29, 2009, 05:35:53 PM
Fine. You don't think the charges against the KKK were bogus. Then you think that claims of faux outrage justify jokes about legitimate racism. Its one or the other.
Or is there some other reason you find the KKK and its actions funny enough to joke about?
And nobody said that you are claiming that racism should be ignored.
It's actually much worse--you claim we should JOKE ABOUT IT!!!!!
"Seems to me we could use more jokes and less posturing and faux outrage."
We actually COULD use less posturing and faux outrage.
But frankly, I can't see how someone would use that as their excuse to justify turning legitimate racism (not bogus racism or faux outrage) into a joking matter.
Well, lets start with the KKK and their actions. You're having problems even finding THAT subject beyond joking.
I misreprestented nothing. You think the KKK and its racism are acceptable matters for joking, and are taking people to task for suggesting otherwise:
Now, I thought you said: "Never, anywhere do I or would I claim that accusations against the KKK are merely bogus claims of racism."
And yet, responding in a thread about the KKK, you claim that there is "far too much" feigned outrage.
We're talking about the KKK, and you respond with a rant about professional victims, race hustlers, etc.). Again, I thought you never said that the KKK was bogus.
Perhaps this explains why you think legitimate racism is a laughing matter.
Once more, slowly so you might understand. I don't find racism to be a laughing matter. Nor do I fall down laughing about alchoholism, drug addiction, homophobia, famine, misogeny, or any crime considered a felony. But to suggest there is no humor to be found skewering racists (or race hustlers for that matter) is nonsense. Check out Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle's act sometime if you think race/racism is off limits.
One of your more annoying habits is to restate someone's remarks and claim they mean something that everyone else on the board knows they don't mean. ]Maybe that's why you engender so much scorn and so many IGNORES from the board.
Quote from: Marquette84 on September 29, 2009, 05:47:40 PM
Yet you're still here!
If you are truly concerned about recruits reading the rantings of the village idiot making post after stupid post, would you please go to Badgermaniac until recruiting season is over. And take PRN with you.
Thank you in advance.
Did Hayward really say this? I wonder what recruits think about a MU graduate that is incapable of proper grammar? A MU graduate that is so lazy he is incapable of capitalizing "I" when speaking about himself? A MU graduate incapable of spelling the most simple of diction or to lazy to click on the button below that says "Spell Check".
Yes Hayward, you certainly are the poster boy of why recruits want to become a Marquette graduate.
This story is now being talked about more on the scoop than the main news outlet in TN. I dont even remember seeing one editorial comment about it, which is rare for the Tennessean.
Edit: Corrected my grammar.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 29, 2009, 08:18:43 PM
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I'm just curious, do you think the person who created this graphic intentionally misspelled "immediately" as part of the joke, or is that just some nice irony? I don't know if you created the graphic Pakuni, so I don't know if you can answer that.
P.S. - I don't disagree with the sentiment expressed in the graphic.
"A MU graduation incapable of spelling the most simple of diction or to lazy to click on the button below that says "Spell Check"."
You're lecturing people on grammar???
Quote from: StillAWarrior on September 30, 2009, 08:11:44 AM
I'm just curious, do you think the person who created this graphic intentionally misspelled "immediately" as part of the joke, or is that just some nice irony? I don't know if you created the graphic Pakuni, so I don't know if you can answer that.
P.S. - I don't disagree with the sentiment expressed in the graphic.
Didn't create it and didn't notice the spelling error.
Just liked the sentiment.
Quote from: PE8983 on September 30, 2009, 12:41:35 PM
"A MU graduation incapable of spelling the most simple of diction or to lazy to click on the button below that says "Spell Check"."
You're lecturing people on grammar???
no different than any other string chicos........ is a running string of hypocrisies, feigning outrage, and completely bankrupt of any wisdom whatsoever. Simply diarrhea of the mouth/keyboard making himself look all the dumber in the process and anyone that reads his refuse dumber for reading it.
Quote from: PE8983 on September 30, 2009, 12:41:35 PM
"A MU graduation incapable of spelling the most simple of diction or to lazy to click on the button below that says "Spell Check"."
You're lecturing people on grammar???
Touche, though Hayward is guilty of it on nearly every post. What do three question marks mean? ;)
Quote from: MU_B2002 on September 30, 2009, 06:58:16 AM
This story is now being talked about more on the scoop than the main news outlet in TN. I dont even remember seeing one editorial comment about it, which is rare for the Tennessean.
Edit: Corrected my grammar.
Rest assured, if the coach at Kentucky, Florida or Vanderbilt had said it, they would be commenting considerably. The Tennessean protects their own. All one needs to do is visit other SEC sites and they think Pearl is an idiot for saying this, but much of that is tied to their own hatred of another SEC school.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2009, 02:15:41 PM
Rest assured, if the coach at Kentucky, Florida or Vanderbilt had said it, they would be commenting considerably. The Tennessean protects their own. All one needs to do is visit other SEC sites and they think Pearl is an idiot for saying this, but much of that is tied to their own hatred of another SEC school.
I disagree to an extent.
Because the Chicago papers never bash the Bears/Bulls/Cubs? In fact there are 2 stories today on the front of the Tennesean blasting Fisher and the Titans.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on September 30, 2009, 02:36:51 PM
I disagree to an extent.
Because the Chicago papers never bash the Bears/Bulls/Cubs? In fact there are 2 stories today on the front of the Tennesean blasting Fisher and the Titans.
In my travels, large newspapers always take on their home teams whether it's Chicago, L.A., New York (especially NY). Part of the game is the agitation between the media and the home team. Smaller newspapers in smaller towns typically do not because they don't want to be squeezed out of access. Granted, this happens more often in college towns but Nashville is a pseudo pro town. They have the Titans and Predators, both barely a decade old in the city. I just don't put Nashville in the typical large media category who attacks the home team all the time, they are much more lenient. I expect that the Knoxville paper probably is doing handstands over Pearl and how great he is.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 30, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
In my travels, large newspapers always take on their home teams whether it's Chicago, L.A., New York (especially NY). Part of the game is the agitation between the media and the home team. Smaller newspapers in smaller towns typically do not because they don't want to be squeezed out of access.
Funny you bring this up... my inside sources tell me the Titans have recently banned the local CBS affiliate for one year due to the situation regarding David Givens and his lawsuit.
But this is obviously non-mu basketball related so I am done sidetracking this thread.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on September 30, 2009, 03:36:38 PM
Funny you bring this up... my inside sources tell me the Titans have recently banned the local CBS affiliate for one year due to the situation regarding David Givens and his lawsuit.
But this is obviously non-mu basketball related so I am done sidetracking this thread.
yet another example of chicos saying one thing in one thread and then absolutely contadicting himself in his next. this makes about 15 times he has done that in this thread alone. ?-(
Quote from: MU_B2002 on September 30, 2009, 03:36:38 PM
Funny you bring this up... my inside sources tell me the Titans have recently banned the local CBS affiliate for one year due to the situation regarding David Givens and his lawsuit.
But this is obviously non-mu basketball related so I am done sidetracking this thread.
Interesting.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on September 29, 2009, 08:52:39 PM
Once more, slowly so you might understand. I don't find racism to be a laughing matter. Nor do I fall down laughing about alchoholism, drug addiction, homophobia, famine, misogeny, or any crime considered a felony. But to suggest there is no humor to be found skewering racists (or race hustlers for that matter) is nonsense. Check out Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle's act sometime if you think race/racism is off limits.
Why is it that you never explain yourself--you simply attack the messenger?
Earlier you said:
"Seems to me we could use more jokes and less posturing and faux outrage."And now you say
"I don't find racism to be a laughing matter."Without attacking me, could you simply explain how you believe both these statements.
How can you call for more jokes about something that you don't think is a laughing matter?
Quote from: Marquette84 on October 01, 2009, 09:41:38 PM
Why is it that you never explain yourself--you simply attack the messenger?
Earlier you said:
"Seems to me we could use more jokes and less posturing and faux outrage."
And now you say "I don't find racism to be a laughing matter."
Without attacking me, could you simply explain how you believe both these statements.
How can you call for more jokes about something that you don't think is a laughing matter?
A sense of humor about life's vagarities (among them sickness, intolerance and even death) does not mean that one considers these or other serious subjects as "laughing matters". If you don't think these matters can be subjects that we can laugh at I suggest you stay in your room (with the tv and radio off). That way you won't be offended by every joke that is not totally about the trivial. (almost every one there is). You are the epitome of PC, a scold who feels outrage on behalf of people who mostly couldn't care less. Your outrage stems not from a high moral ground but from a lack of a sense of humor.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 02, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
A sense of humor about life's vagarities (among them sickness, intolerance and even death) does not mean that one considers these or other serious subjects as "laughing matters". If you don't think these matters can be subjects that we can laugh at I suggest you stay in your room (with the tv and radio off). That way you won't be offended by every joke that is not totally about the trivial. (almost every one there is). You are the epitome of PC, a scold who feels outrage on behalf of people who mostly couldn't care less. Your outrage stems not from a high moral ground but from a lack of a sense of humor.
So...it's not a "laughing matter" but is it a "matter [that] can be [a] subject that we can laugh at." I'll keep that in mind.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 02, 2009, 01:57:52 PM
A sense of humor about life's vagarities (among them sickness, intolerance and even death) does not mean that one considers these or other serious subjects as "laughing matters". If you don't think these matters can be subjects that we can laugh at I suggest you stay in your room (with the tv and radio off). That way you won't be offended by every joke that is not totally about the trivial. (almost every one there is). You are the epitome of PC, a scold who feels outrage on behalf of people who mostly couldn't care less. Your outrage stems not from a high moral ground but from a lack of a sense of humor.
Let the record show that you couldn't answer a simple question without turning it into a personal attack.
You say:
"A sense of humor about life's vagarities (among them sickness, intolerance and even death) does not mean that one considers these or other serious subjects as "laughing matters"."So the KKK and its actions were just one of "life's vagarities" to you?
Why do you continue to redefine the terms in order to defend the indefensible. Pearl did not joke about sickness, intolerance or death. He joked about the KKK.
So we use the actual subject--not your redefinition--we get:
"A sense of humor about life's vagarities (among them the KKK, "wearing the hood" and even the lynching they committed) does not mean that one considers these or other serious subjects as "laughing matters"."Doesn't allow you to be quite so smug, does it?
What does this mean, anyway? They're not laughing matters yet one should have a sense of humor about them? Sorry--I just don't get how those two can coexist. That's what I asked you in the last post--you simply repeated them and launched into another personal attack.
We can do the same thing with this next statement of yours:
"If you don't think these matters can be subjects that we can laugh at I suggest you stay in your room"Well, what matters do
you think we're talking about here?
I think we're talking about the KKK and "wearing the hood."
Make the substitution yourself on this one. Still willing to defend that statement?
The bottom line is that every time you try to defend yourself, you water down the actual words with some less-offensive substitution. It's not racism--you use "these matters." Its not the KKK, is "race hustlers". Its not lynching and cross burning, its "sickness and intolerance and death".
Quote from: Marquette84 on October 02, 2009, 09:45:16 PM
Let the record show that you couldn't answer a simple question without turning it into a personal attack.
You say:
"A sense of humor about life's vagarities (among them sickness, intolerance and even death) does not mean that one considers these or other serious subjects as "laughing matters"."
So the KKK and its actions were just one of "life's vagarities" to you?
Why do you continue to redefine the terms in order to defend the indefensible. Pearl did not joke about sickness, intolerance or death. He joked about the KKK.
So we use the actual subject--not your redefinition--we get:
"A sense of humor about life's vagarities (among them the KKK, "wearing the hood" and even the lynching they committed) does not mean that one considers these or other serious subjects as "laughing matters"."
Doesn't allow you to be quite so smug, does it?
What does this mean, anyway? They're not laughing matters yet one should have a sense of humor about them? Sorry--I just don't get how those two can coexist. That's what I asked you in the last post--you simply repeated them and launched into another personal attack.
We can do the same thing with this next statement of yours: "If you don't think these matters can be subjects that we can laugh at I suggest you stay in your room"
Well, what matters do you think we're talking about here? I think we're talking about the KKK and "wearing the hood."
Make the substitution yourself on this one. Still willing to defend that statement?
The bottom line is that every time you try to defend yourself, you water down the actual words with some less-offensive substitution. It's not racism--you use "these matters." Its not the KKK, is "race hustlers". Its not lynching and cross burning, its "sickness and intolerance and death".
You want it simple without analogies. Fine. Racism = not funny. Lynching = not funny. Murder = not funny. Making racists, lynchers, hood wearers or murderers the butt of a joke? This can be funny. If you don't believe me watch "Blazing Saddles", "O Brother, Where Art Thou?", or go to a Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock concert. Bruce Pearl's joke was a play on words (the hood vs hoods). In no way was he condoning the KKK or any of their actions. You certainly have the right to think his joke was unfunny or inappropriate. But your apoplectic reaction is way over the top.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on October 02, 2009, 03:00:31 PM
So...it's not a "laughing matter" but is it a "matter [that] can be [a] subject that we can laugh at." I'll keep that in mind.
Exactly. Watch "Blazing Saddles" as an illustration.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 03, 2009, 09:34:39 AM
You want it simple without analogies. Fine. Racism = not funny. Lynching = not funny. Murder = not funny. Making racists, lynchers, hood wearers or murderers the butt of a joke? This can be funny. If you don't believe me watch "Blazing Saddles", "O Brother, Where Art Thou?", or go to a Dave Chappelle or Chris Rock concert. Bruce Pearl's joke was a play on words (the hood vs hoods). In no way was he condoning the KKK or any of their actions. You certainly have the right to think his joke was unfunny or inappropriate. But your apoplectic reaction is way over the top.
Do you think there is a difference in going to a comedy movie or concert with the expectation to hear things that are a bit over the top vs the a state employee who's primary job is to coach basketball saying something about people of his own state?
I'm just wondering if you see the difference.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on October 04, 2009, 10:32:15 AM
Do you think there is a difference in going to a comedy movie or concert with the expectation to hear things that are a bit over the top vs the a state employee who's primary job is to coach basketball saying something about people of his own state?
I'm just wondering if you see the difference.
I do see a difference and say that each listener can decide for himself if a joke is inappropriate. Personally I err on the side of the joke teller as I prefer even bad comedy to self rightreousness.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 04, 2009, 11:41:49 AM
I do see a difference and say that each listener can decide for himself if a joke is inappropriate. Personally I err on the side of the joke teller as I prefer even bad comedy to self rightreousness.
I see, you racist nazi homophobe....just kidding of course.