Monterale Clark arrested, charged in Texas
Milwaukee native and MU recruit Monterale Clark was one of three men arrested and charged in an alleged sexual assault in Hillsboro, Texas on Monday night.
Clark, 20, has been charged with felony sexual assault and is being held in Hill County Jail on $50,000 bail, according to officer Jimmy Hammer of the Hill County Sheriff’s Department. Clark did not have an attorney as of Wednesday evening, Hammer said.
According to a report in the Waco Tribune, the alleged assault took place at a dorm-room party on the campus of Hill College in Hillsboro, Texas. The alleged victim, according to the report, was an 18-year-old woman.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/59569142.html
DJO out for a month with a foot injury...that's gonna hurt more than anything. Hope to get him back on track soon.
Gotta love the pub we're getting.
Quote from: MUfan2 on September 16, 2009, 10:11:12 PM
DJO out for a month with a foot injury...that's gonna hurt more than anything. Hope to get him back on track soon.
Who are our starting guards going to be? Cadougan and Buycks?
Hooo....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 16, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
Gotta love the pub we're getting.
And what the hell is your point?
Marquette and Buzz can't say it publically since he's not a signed recruit or enrolled student, but I guarantee that Clark was notified tonight that he is persona non grata at MU. Even if he's not convicted of a crime per se ultimately, reading that affadavit, he had a serious breach of character, one so severe that had that happened at MU and not charged by MPD would have gotten him thrown out of the university by the student conduct process.
And if Buzz even BLINKED for a second on making that call, I'm sure that everyone from Fr. Wild and Steve Cottingham to the Deans of Admissions and Student Development held a gun to his head to make sure he did it.
Also, I hate to be the bearer of bad news to a lot of people on this board who have a pristine image of what our ideal recruit should be (four years at one high school, no transfers b/w high schools, no prep school background, no JUCO experience), but considering the ordeals that a lot of high school basketball players, particularly in inner city enviroments have to get thru just to get to college now, us and most every program will be dealing with some guys with less than ideal (though not necessarily criminal) backgrounds going forward.
Clark had a less than ideal background having to come thru the cesspool of an educational system that is Milwaukee Public Schools, just as Buycks had to go to 2 years of JUCO because he got lousy educational guidance at Bayview. Also, considering how there were lots of questions on Clark's background (that he didn't want to answer), I'm sure there were also some other personal issues that he had to deal with. By no means am I making excuses for what he did, but for every Montreale Clark, there are the Dwight Buycks' of the world who have to wander a non-traditional path to make it to a school like Marquette. Just because they have to go thru that path does not necessarily make them bad people or character risks in every situation.
We got burned for sure in the Clark situation, though not as bad as the poor woman who was taken advantage of by these punks. I hope Clark has the book thrown at him if he is indeed guilty of an actual crime, but in the meantime, one bad apple does not mean we should shy away from every kid with a non 4 years in HS background.
My point is this sucks, it's unfortunate and it's bad pub. Nothing more....just bad pub. Not sure why you're making something sinister out of it.
Officer Hammer....anyone notice that on the report?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 16, 2009, 10:17:24 PM
Gotta love the pub we're getting.
What the Hell does that mean? We all know you love TC and he could do no wrong and some how this is all Brent Williams fault because he couldn't 'judge'(whatever that means) character well. In additon, since he was a Juco he was somehow a horrible person too with 'bad' character. Your hidden agenda of is so blantly obvious on this board and on the other one.
Its not bad pub because he never enrolled and and it's his problem not Marquettes. He just so happen to verbal here and its pretty obvious he won't be coming here.
Furthermore, don't these guys ever take a criminal justice class when there at Junior College? Never talk to cops in this situation unless you have a lawyer present.
Quote from: thatman32 on September 17, 2009, 12:30:01 AM
What the Hell does that mean? We all know you love TC and he could do no wrong and some how this is all Brent Williams fault because he couldn't 'judge'(whatever that means) character well. In additon, since he was a Juco he was somehow a horrible person too with 'bad' character. Your hidden agenda of is so blantly obvious on this board and on the other one.
Its not bad pub because he never enrolled and and it's his problem not Marquettes. He just so happen to verbal here and its pretty obvious he won't be coming here.
Furthermore, don't these guys ever take a criminal justice class when there at Junior College? Never talk to cops in this situation unless you have a lawyer present.
I'm sorry, where did I blame Buzz Williams for this kid's action? Talk about someone with an agenda. You sound like that loon from Skokie on the other board.
As for it not being bad pub, yeah, you're right. Marquette isn't mentioned with this guy at all.
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Marquette Recruit Faces Rape Charges http://www.wisn.com/sports/20954244/detail.html
Suspects arrested in Hill College Rape Investigation http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11143180
I'm sure tomorrow there won't be more. It sucks, it happens to many programs, no is blaming Buzz Williams for this jagoff's actions. NO ONE. Please show me where ANYONE blamed Buzz for this? All some of us are saying is can we cool our jets a bit on the JUCOs or be a little smarter about who we are recruiting? This isn't just some random act for Clarke and we both know it. Look at the history. Perhaps we should all be a little smarter in our recruiting targets. Sorry that is so difficult to understand.
And no, I don't love TC. He did some good things here and some not so good. Buzz has done some good things and some not so good. TC, by the way, recruited JUCOs and almost all of them didn't pan out very well. Just another reason I'd like to see us get away from this trend that keeps getting stronger of late, not weaker.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 17, 2009, 12:40:36 AM
I'm sorry, where did I blame Buzz Williams for this kid's action? Talk about someone with an agenda. You sound like that loon from Skokie on the other board.
As for it not being bad pub, yeah, you're right. Marquette isn't mentioned with this guy at all.
(http://kxxv.images.worldnow.com/images/11143180_BG1.jpg)
Marquette Recruit Faces Rape Charges http://www.wisn.com/sports/20954244/detail.html
Suspects arrested in Hill College Rape Investigation http://www.kxxv.com/global/story.asp?s=11143180
I'm sure tomorrow there won't be more. It sucks, it happens to many programs, no is blaming Buzz Williams for this jagoff's actions. NO ONE. Please show me where ANYONE blamed Buzz for this? All some of us are saying is can we cool our jets a bit on the JUCOs or be a little smarter about who we are recruiting? This isn't just some random act for Clarke and we both know it. Look at the history. Perhaps we should all be a little smarter in our recruiting targets. Sorry that is so difficult to understand.
And no, I don't love TC. He did some good things here and some not so good. Buzz has done some good things and some not so good. TC, by the way, recruited JUCOs and almost all of them didn't pan out very well. Just another reason I'd like to see us get away from this trend that keeps getting stronger of late, not weaker.
Somehow I'm a loon from Skookie . . Your ability to extrapolate this conclusion is pretty far fetched and rather dull headed like the 5,000 posts you have posted here and all the stuff you have posted on the other board. I don't even post on the other board though it does reinforce the belief that you have a holier then thou attitude. And what is wrong with Skokie, IL?
You imply that it is Buzz Williams fault based on the following statement:
"Buzz loves those JUCOs, that's where he cut his teeth. I hope that we're not on the constant JUCO influx every year but I have my serious doubts."
"And MUSF is correct, no one ever said we shouldn't recruit or sign JUCOs. But there is a reason there is a stigma, it didn't materialize out of thin air."
So your implying if Williams didn't recruit these kids then these incident's wouldn't occur and you know it. You imply certain things by the language you use and if you can't figure that out then ?-(
As for it not being bad pub, yeah, you're right. Marquette isn't mentioned with this guy at all.
- So what if Marquette is mentioned it doesn't mean anything at all since he never enrolled. That's like saying if Direct TV hired a senior executive and they gave him an offer(and he begins in 3 weeks since he accepted the offer) and he sexually assaulted a girl at a party before that time then somehow this would reflect badly on Direct TV. It doesn't reflect badly on the company and it's an illogical fallacy and this is the basis of your argument I might add.
Clark had a rocky history but sometimes people grow up which means they have the ability to access risk better and not be so narcissistic. Obviously, this didn't work out for Clark and it's not difficult for me to understand at all since most people don't rape other people. Your once again extrapolating the belief that Clark is a trouble maker so therefore he might (and apparently he is) be a rapist and a professional finger banger. Does Clark have a violent past or sociopath tendencies that you know about?
I would like to see less jucos too but when you recruit a bunch of nobodies and leave without telling your team then you need to fill in some roster spots and Jucos do that!
I said you SOUND like that loon from Skokie. You really have reading issues tonight for some reason. I NEVER said you were from Skokie. Sigh.
And to make it clear as a bell for you, Buzz Williams did not cause Monterale Clark to act in this manner. Period. Clear?
That being said, I think it would be WISE for MU to get a bit more buttoned up on their recruiting of late....preferably with kids that don't have rocky history's. I'm all for second chances, but it appears Mr. Clark was on chance number 3 or 4 just in the schooling department. Where there's smoke....there's fire.
This just in, Trevor Mbakwe (a TC recruit...you know, the guy I love) was also jumping from school to school to school. It's usually a big, fat, red flag.
Is it too much to ask that we get a little smarter on our recruiting? Are the risks that worth it because he's 6'10"? Is it worth the risk to offer a guy out of Pennsylvania that has ZERO business playing for a Big East team?
The problem now is that Buzz puts himself in an awkward position where if one more recruit or current player does something that puts MU in a bad spot, he's going to take a lot of heat for it. It's not necessary...be smarter. He obviously can't guarantee how a kid is going to be anymore than we as parents can guarantee how our kids are going to be. But let's at least use some common sense.
Quote from: MUfan2 on September 16, 2009, 10:11:12 PM
DJO out for a month with a foot injury...that's gonna hurt more than anything. Hope to get him back on track soon.
No kidding. Talk about kicking you when you are down. I was hoping the boot rumor we heard earlier today was just a precaution.
Had the coaching staff asked a few questions around town (milwaukee)-----all this could have been prevented. Red flags would have jumped up all over the place.
Just frigging great.
Dump this turkey and move on. Do not wait for the legal system to sort it all out.
What were the "red flags"? What trouble was he involved in before junior college?
Quote from: PE8983 on September 17, 2009, 07:12:14 AM
What were the "red flags"? What trouble was he involved in before junior college?
Multiple disciplinary issues at multiple high schools throughout milwaukee. This isnt a kid who was jumping hs to hs for academic reasons.
And for those that say this is not "bad publicity" for Marquette you're freaking nuts. Every article mentions Marquette in it and this appeared in the JS in the Marquette section with the Marquette beat writer writing the story. So this is a story about a Marquette commitment.
I am fine with Buzz taking some academic risks with JUCO's but taking character risks like clark who have had a ton of chances in the past and always screw them up is not ok in my book. Hopefully Buzz does his due diligence in future so we don't see Marquette's name in crapper again with some POS like Clark.
Quote from: thatman32 on September 17, 2009, 12:30:01 AM
Its not bad pub because he never enrolled and and it's his problem not Marquettes. He just so happen to verbal here and its pretty obvious he won't be coming here.
As I am reading your post, I glanced about 6" to the right on my computer screen and see on my Google Desktop Headlines, "Report: Marquette Recruit Faces Rape Charges", with a big ol' MU logo next to it in full color!
I didn't notice anything in the headline that said, but don't think less of MU because he actually hadn't signed an LOI. Maybe that is in the article if I can stomach reading another story on this. Not gonna happen.
Quote from: Chili on September 17, 2009, 07:40:48 AM
..for those that say this is not "bad publicity" for Marquette you're freaking nuts.
I am fine with Buzz taking some academic risks with JUCO's but taking character risks like Clark who have had a ton of chances in the past and always screw them up is not ok in my book. Hopefully Buzz does his due diligence in future so we don't see Marquette's name in crapper again with some POS like Clark.
Cosign +10000
Reading the d-bags who post on jsonline, it sure looks like we have forfeited the moral high ground. Damn. Every time there is an update on this story, the words 'MU recruit' will be in there somewhere. Even when the word 'former' is added. This is exactly why I warned about gloating about the problems in Badgerville. Young men have always and will always do stupid things. This one is worse than most. My prayers are with the young lady.
"Multiple disciplinary issues at multiple high schools"
I know he bounced from school to school, but what were the issues?
Im glad Clark is out of the picture now, clearly character issues from the start! If people want to see what issues he has had in the past just look at his videos on face book and see how big his ego is as he just rambles on about "Gettin Buckets" and all the haters out there. Good luck to Clark with his charges, and hope Williams recruits someone who has 10 times the intelligence and character of Clark!
Even if there were red flags you can't completely rule them out. Caron Butler was charged with gun and drugs possession. He took the long way to college. What happened? He played great for UCONN, made a ton of money, and is highly involved in giving back to Racine and Washington. I talked to people who knew him in high school and he was scum. I've talked to him personally and those around the past few years and he's one of the classiest players in the NBA.
It's a judgment call. It's up to Buzz to still recruit these "character problems" and decipher if he will change. Not an exact science. Would it be unacceptable for Clark to be on the team? absolutely. But is it the Jesuit way to turn away from kids you think will turn it around because they screwed up in high school? In turn denying him a great education and way to shine in sports. What's more important: our reputation or educating kids?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on September 17, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
Even if there were red flags you can't completely rule them out. Caron Butler was charged with gun and drugs possession. He took the long way to college. What happened? He played great for UCONN, made a ton of money, and is highly involved in giving back to Racine and Washington. I talked to people who knew him in high school and he was scum. I've talked to him personally and those around the past few years and he's one of the classiest players in the NBA.
It's a judgment call. It's up to Buzz to still recruit these "character problems" and decipher if he will change. Not an exact science. Would it be unacceptable for Clark to be on the team? absolutely. But is it the Jesuit way to turn away from kids you think will turn it around because they screwed up in high school? In turn denying him a great education and way to shine in sports. What's more important: our reputation or educating kids?
This point loses some legitimacy when you realize that the only way Clark would ever be admitted to MU, much less on a full-ride scholarship, is because he's a good basketball player.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 17, 2009, 10:44:05 AM
This point loses some legitimacy when you realize that the only way Clark would ever be admitted to MU, much less on a full-ride scholarship, is because he's a good basketball player.
He's a good basketball player that went the JUCO route to try to bring his academics in line with his athletic ability. It took a lot of effort for Clark and the other JUCO players to be able to pass admissions into a D1 school. While the kids we recruit from JUCOs may have faltered in high school there is something to be said for putting in the extra effort whey you aren't in an ideal situation.
Although Clark finally got his academics up to a reasonable level with his athletic abilities, he obviously failed at life.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 17, 2009, 10:52:29 AM
He's a good basketball player that went the JUCO route to try to bring his academics in line with his athletic ability. It took a lot of effort for Clark and the other JUCO players to be able to pass admissions into a D1 school. While the kids we recruit from JUCOs may have faltered in high school there is something to be said for putting in the extra effort whey you aren't in an ideal situation.
Although Clark finally got his academics up to a reasonable level with his athletic abilities, he obviously failed at life.
I understand that and I don't have a problem with that.
But let's not go on and on about the "Jesuit way" stuff. We admitted Clark because he plays basketball. MU admits 100s of kids from MPS and elsewhere every year that don't quite have the grades because that's part of its mission - and I applaud that. Let's not fool ourselves enough to think that Clark was one of them.
Put it this way, if Clark were 5'5" with his background, he's not at MU.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on September 17, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
It's a judgment call. It's up to Buzz to still recruit these "character problems" and decipher if he will change. Not an exact science. Would it be unacceptable for Clark to be on the team? absolutely. But is it the Jesuit way to turn away from kids you think will turn it around because they screwed up in high school? In turn denying him a great education and way to shine in sports. What's more important: our reputation or educating kids?
Wow, when did MU turn into a some type of rehabilitation institute? Its a privilege just to be able to attend MU, let alone, be on the basketball team. Look, I'm for giving kids opportunities, but the fact is, some kids haven't earned or more importantly, don't deserve the opportunity to attend MU.
This is a terrible story and reflects poorly on MU and Buzz. Yes, Clark is responsible for his own actions, but Buzz needs to face some responsibility as well. Look, Clark had character concerns and Buzz either overlooked them or thought that he had matured past them. Either way, he was wrong.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on September 17, 2009, 10:35:34 AM
Even if there were red flags you can't completely rule them out. Caron Butler was charged with gun and drugs possession. He took the long way to college. What happened? He played great for UCONN, made a ton of money, and is highly involved in giving back to Racine and Washington. I talked to people who knew him in high school and he was scum. I've talked to him personally and those around the past few years and he's one of the classiest players in the NBA.
It's a judgment call. It's up to Buzz to still recruit these "character problems" and decipher if he will change. Not an exact science. Would it be unacceptable for Clark to be on the team? absolutely. But is it the Jesuit way to turn away from kids you think will turn it around because they screwed up in high school? In turn denying him a great education and way to shine in sports. What's more important: our reputation or educating kids?
I think the Jesuit way would be to give it to someone deserving. He got a full fucking ride. Clark was a POS and still is a POS.
Our reputation is more important. It is a privilege for any teenager to receive a full ride scholarship to any university, particularly a fine private institution like Marquette. It is incumbent that our coaches bring in players that do not pose a threat to students at the university and that reflect well upon our university. Even good kids will make a mistake to two, but for a coach to base his reputation and the school's reputation on a young man with as many questions as Clark seemingly had is just bad. It reflects poorly on MU and for that, I blame Buzz. Buzz is well-compensated in exchange for finding strong character kids who can compete playing basketball at a high level. He failed MU in offering a kid like Clark a scholarship. Had there been no prior indications that Clark was a character risk, that would be one thing. But red flags abounded here, and it's on Buzz that he didn't heed them.
Quote from: RJax55 on September 17, 2009, 11:07:30 AM
Wow, when did MU turn into a some type of rehabilitation institute? Its a privilege just to be able to attend MU, let alone, be on the basketball team. Look, I'm for giving kids opportunities, but the fact is, some kids haven't earned or more importantly, don't deserve the opportunity to attend MU.
This is a terrible story and reflects poorly on MU and Buzz. Yes, Clark is responsible for his own actions, but Buzz needs to face some responsible as well. Look, Clark had character concerns and Buzz either overlooked them or thought that he had matured past them. Either way, he was wrong.
That's the reality of it. No one is blaming Buzz for this kid's actions, but absolutely the coach has to take some responsibility...they are his recruits. Fairly or unfairly, that is one of the things he is judged on. It sucks, especially when we're talking about 18-22 year old men. I think this is why the college coaches I've met and worked with are very much on edge. Their living is based on how well 18-22 year old men perform and behave....that would stress out many folks.
Sad news, but to be perfectly honest, never heard of him. Here's why: I turned 60 this week, and I realize now more than ever that there are only so many minutes in our lives. I love college basketball, and, of course, especially Marquette basketball, but stories like these are among the reasons I tend not to spend too many of those minutes following college basketball recruiting or recruits. I know recruiting is a passion for a lot of MUScoopers, but I'm too old to worry about how good some 8th grader across town might be, or (worse) whether some snot-nosed teenager with a great jump shot is keeping his zipper zipped or his veins drug-free. I hope and trust that the coaches will do their best to do their recruiting jobs well, and I save up my "college basketball minutes" for any MU game I'm lucky enough to catch live; for the Big East Tournament (been to every one since we've joined, and caught almost every game in those tournaments, including the entire six-overtime game last March); or, since virtually every MU game is on TV somewhere now, watching games with fellow alumni in bars or at home. And, of course, I spend some of those college basketball minutes occasionally chiming in on one thing or another on MUScoop.com. That's my rant, and I'm stickin' to it.
I can only imagine the posts in response to what I write here but people better start realizing that something has changed in our recruitment process. I graduated Marquette in '92 and I cannot recall us recruiting anyone who was charged for such a serious crime.
We have had three coaches since then and I just cannot remember something so disturbing. I am sure some will say that he is innocent until proven guilty. This is true. However, I do find it odd that we have a new coach and suddenly such a serious charge has been levied towards someone Marquette thought about admitting to the university.
I don't hate Buzz. I am not a Crean worshipper. But, this had better not be the start of a trend.
If this happened in '92 to a kid who had verballed but not even signed yet, you may very well have never heard about it. The kid would have just never signed a LOI and rot away in the Big House and MU would have quietly moved on. This is the internet age. Everything is public now.
Quote from: MARQKC on September 17, 2009, 01:37:09 PM
Sad news, but to be perfectly honest, never heard of him. Here's why: I turned 60 this week, and I realize now more than ever that there are only so many minutes in our lives. I love college basketball, and, of course, especially Marquette basketball, but stories like these are among the reasons I tend not to spend too many of those minutes following college basketball recruiting or recruits. I know recruiting is a passion for a lot of MUScoopers, but I'm too old to worry about how good some 8th grader across town might be, or (worse) whether some snot-nosed teenager with a great jump shot is keeping his zipper zipped or his veins drug-free. I hope and trust that the coaches will do their best to do their recruiting jobs well, and I save up my "college basketball minutes" for any MU game I'm lucky enough to catch live; for the Big East Tournament (been to every one since we've joined, and caught almost every game in those tournaments, including the entire six-overtime game last March); or, since virtually every MU game is on TV somewhere now, watching games with fellow alumni in bars or at home. And, of course, I spend some of those college basketball minutes occasionally chiming in on one thing or another on MUScoop.com. That's my rant, and I'm stickin' to it.
+1,000.
I graduated in 88. Two words. Pops Sims. Not rape, but assault of an (ex?) girlfriend. "The only thing new in life is the history you don't know". Harry Truman
So, we've been down this road. We have had thieves, gamblers, pot-users, poor students. But to your main point, it seems recruiting has changed. Much more interesting and exciting, with the occasional disaster to go with the successes.
Quote from: MARQKC on September 17, 2009, 01:37:09 PM
Sad news, but to be perfectly honest, never heard of him. Here's why: I turned 60 this week, and I realize now more than ever that there are only so many minutes in our lives. I love college basketball, and, of course, especially Marquette basketball, but stories like these are among the reasons I tend not to spend too many of those minutes following college basketball recruiting or recruits. I know recruiting is a passion for a lot of MUScoopers, but I'm too old to worry about how good some 8th grader across town might be, or (worse) whether some snot-nosed teenager with a great jump shot is keeping his zipper zipped or his veins drug-free. I hope and trust that the coaches will do their best to do their recruiting jobs well, and I save up my "college basketball minutes" for any MU game I'm lucky enough to catch live; for the Big East Tournament (been to every one since we've joined, and caught almost every game in those tournaments, including the entire six-overtime game last March); or, since virtually every MU game is on TV somewhere now, watching games with fellow alumni in bars or at home. And, of course, I spend some of those college basketball minutes occasionally chiming in on one thing or another on MUScoop.com. That's my rant, and I'm stickin' to it.
-1
I'm failing to understand why you would even bother posting this.
Sure would be great to see the kid graduate with an MU degree and turn into a man. I hope Buzz is able to help the kid grow, just as I hope the same for the two at UW.
Quote from: tower912 on September 17, 2009, 06:18:15 PM
I graduated in 88. Two words. Pops Sims. Not rape, but assault of an (ex?) girlfriend. "The only thing new in life is the history you don't know". Harry Truman
So, we've been down this road. We have had thieves, gamblers, pot-users, poor students. But to your main point, it seems recruiting has changed. Much more interesting and exciting, with the occasional disaster to go with the successes.
Amal had an "issue" as well, but was cleared.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 17, 2009, 06:28:36 PM
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I'm failing to understand why you would even bother posting this.
All he's saying is it doesn't hurt a school's reputation in the college basketball world when only a few crazed fans will ever know who this guy is. Of the entire crowd at the Big East Tournament, there are no more than a dozen people (probably all on this board) who will have heard of this and think it hurts our reputation. Actually, the overintoxicated fan at the Big East tournament would make more people notice and think poorly of MU than some police blotter about a guy who has never been and will never be affiliated with the university. It doesn't change the fact that trying to recruit a player who is barely good enough for the A-10 and recruiting someone who looks to be headed for prison is even worse than failing to recruit any bigs at all, even if it'll never get a mention on ESPN, ESPN2, or even MUTV.
Quote from: chapman on September 17, 2009, 07:53:43 PM
All he's saying is it doesn't hurt a school's reputation in the college basketball world when only a few crazed fans will ever know who this guy is. Of the entire crowd at the Big East Tournament, there are no more than a dozen people (probably all on this board) who will have heard of this and think it hurts our reputation. Actually, the overintoxicated fan at the Big East tournament would make more people notice and think poorly of MU than some police blotter about a guy who has never been and will never be affiliated with the university. It doesn't change the fact that trying to recruit a player who is barely good enough for the A-10 and recruiting someone who looks to be headed for prison is even worse than failing to recruit any bigs at all, even if it'll never get a mention on ESPN, ESPN2, or even MUTV.
But he is "affiliated" with the University. "Marquette Recruit Montreale Clark..."
Quote from: avid1010 on September 17, 2009, 07:14:12 PM
Sure would be great to see the kid graduate with an MU degree and turn into a man. I hope Buzz is able to help the kid grow, just as I hope the same for the two at UW.
you're kidding right? you want mu to allow a rapist on campus?
Quote from: Chili on September 18, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
you're kidding right? you want mu to allow a rapist on campus?
+1...I don't want anything to do with this kid anymore. He's had enough chances to straighten out his life. Time to move on.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 17, 2009, 07:55:07 PM
But he is "affiliated" with the University. "Marquette Recruit Montreale Clark..."
He'll only be "MU recruit" for the next 3 weeks, or until MU gets enough commitments that it's obvious clark isn't coming.
Let's be honest, most college basketball fans would have a tough time naming MU's starters, much less MU's verbal commitments.
This is a big deal to us, but it's not a big deal to most people in the country.
At the moment, most MARQUETTE fans would have trouble naming MU's starters.
Quote from: tower912 on September 18, 2009, 03:01:07 PM
At the moment, most MARQUETTE fans would have trouble naming MU's starters.
At the moment, Buzz Williams would have trouble naming MU's starters.
Buzz had to balance his classes with JUCO players. I hope that will not be the case in the future. Jimmy Butler worked out OK.
There were plenty of degenerates at Marquette when I was there. Teenage boys are that way. Not necesarily performing illegal acts, but I sure wouldn't want my daughter dating them. Most of those same degenerates grew up.
MY POINT: Monterale Clark should be prosecuted to the fullest. A long time in jail if convicted. Cut off his b*lls.
Blanket banning of JUCO players is reactionary.
Quote from: mu-rara on September 21, 2009, 09:09:04 AM
MY POINT: Monterale Clark should be prosecuted top the fullest. A long time in jail if convicted. Cut off his b*lls.
Blanket banning of JUCO players is reactionary.
Thank you. This stereotyping of JUCO players really gets under my skin. Each one we've had at MU recently has been fine, no problems at all. Take Jamil Lott for example- he's doing more good than almost all of us here I bet. After MU, he went back to Minneapolis to help counsel young men who have been in trouble, and he wants to get into social work. Talk about living MU's mission.
" I hope Buzz is able to help the kid grow, just as I hope the same for the two at UW."
I would say you have a better chance of winning the lottery then Clark has of playing basketball for Marquette.
ps. The 2 UW kids are already gone. If they do any growing it will be at another university.