http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/august/26/roseboro-saga-demonstrates-flaws-in-recruiting-process.html
Do people in Pennsylvania live in fantasy land? I mean this is the real world. This is how it is when it comes to anything competitive. I actually think Buzz should be commended by letting Brett know ASAP that there was a high likely hood of him not playing and or his scholarship not being renewed at the end of the season. He could have let him hang in limbo all season and made it a really horrible experience, but in this instance he was straight forward, brutally honest and while the end result was certainly disappointing for BR; it was actually his best option.
I hope Buzz has also held Collins accountable.
I thought the article was fair.
Quote from: bilsu on August 27, 2009, 06:52:12 AM
I thought the article was fair.
I thought it was fair too. Basically, all they are saying is that Roseboro got an offer that was too good to pass up (and, unfortunately, too good to be true). The article makes the point that Marquette made a recruiting error and overreached because they hadn't seen him enough. In hindsight, I think it's hard to argue wtih this.
One thing I've thought as I read these two articles is that the high school coaches are getting off a little easy...probably because they're the ones granting interviews and providing information. I think a kid's HS coach should help guide him through this process and if a kid gets a scholarship offer that is way out of line with what the coaches think he merits, they should make sure he looks at the situation rationally. These coaches themselves have said they viewed Brett as a low-to-mid D-1 player. I wonder if they shared this assessment with him when he got a high major offer to play in the Big East. They should have explained that coaches may promise the world, but that they just didn't see him playing too much at a high major program. That doesn't excuse Marquette's recruiting mistake, but I hope everyone learned something in this process -- Marquette, Roseboro and his HS coaches. But, as I said, the offer was probably too good to pass up -- for Brett and his coaches..
It's disappointing that both Collins and Maymon thought this guy would be a great addition. Then Buzz saying that he likes these diamond in the rough kinds of guys. Do we not look at these guys a little more closely than this before offering scholarships? Then, Roseboro shows up and he is out of his league in pick up games? This guy must have been pretty bad, because we could have really used someone with his supposed skill set. He was bad enough that he would not have developed enough to get on the floor, even early in his career?
I was hoping that the kid left on his own after realizing he would never get to this level. But, this pretty much confirms that it was a two way decision (maybe even initiated by Buzz). It's disappointing that Buzz had to have this discussion before he even hit his fall freshman classes, let alone official October practices. I guess it's better now rather than later. We seem to be in on a ton of recruits. Maybe, we need to scale it back a little bit, and focus more on some specific individuals.
I thought the article unfairly criticized MU. This situation happens countless times in all major D-I sports. The highlight here should be that Buzz was classy enough to admit he made a mistake and let BR know as much. Does anyone remember Carlton Christian? Poor guy had the fundamentals of an 8 year old and Crean didn't cut him loose till the end of the season.....do we see the difference here? Its an unfortunate situation but was handled in the most professional way possible.
I think the article is fair and more of reflection on all recruiting, not just MU. It is far better to cut losses for both sides early and move on. Too often players sit around for a year or two before leaving and that is unfortunate.
If I was Buzz I would let the Roseboro's of the world be recruiting by UW and stick with the athletic studs.
Not so long ago, we all watched a young man that we didn't know all that much about absolutely blow up in the Great Alaskan Shootout. We saw one game and thought that that was what we had, an inside/outside threat capable of dropping 30 and getting 10 boards. It turned out to be not only the highlight of his MU career, but of his entire collegiate career. It was an outlier, a peak performance, a fluke.
It appears to me that this is how we ended up with Brett. Aki saw his outlier, peak performance at a tournament and thought that this was just the first of many, that this is what we had, that the upward arc had began. The coaching staff realized during summer workouts what it took some of us 2 years to figure out. The cut is clean, the wound is cauterized and scarring should be minimal. Best of luck to young Mr. Roseboro.
BTW, the article seems fair to me.
I'd love to hear his HS coaches elaborate on what "the world" that BR was promised was exactly. I can't see a guy who's shown to be as brutally honest as Buzz has guaranteeing BR anything other than the chance to prove he deserves PT.
The only difference was that Ryan Amoroso was a GOOD high school player. Brett Roseboro didn't even sound like the best player on his own team last year.
I think the article was a little unfair to Marquette, but such is college basketball when kids end up at school in over their heads (Christophersen and Hazel). I think the article went out of it's way to indicate that MU told Brett he wasn't going to play his freshman year.
Whoever made the point about the HS coaches being held responsible as well is dead right. If you have an average player mistakenly get targeted by a major school after a one or two game aberration, it is your responsibility to tell the school (MU) and the kid that it's not the right fit.
To sum up the article:
Waaaaaaahhhhh
Waaaaaaahhhhh
So the Villanova beat writer didn't show MU in a positive light.....I'm shocked and appalled!!
lurch, the article did go out of the way to say that MU told Brett the truth about his game. So, if MU gets a reputation for being straight with recruits and allowing them out in order to make a better decision for their future, is that a bad thing?
Never heard of the paper despite living in the area. As far as what his high school coach said about Marquette promising him "the world", I guarantee Buzz would never say that, nor wouild he want his assistants making exagerrated promises when out on the recruiting trail.
I think by "the world" Buzz offered him a full ride and a chance to play at a top-tier school in one of the best conferences in the country.
Quote from: chapman on August 27, 2009, 09:15:35 AM
Never heard of the paper despite living in the area. As far as what his high school coach said about Marquette promising him "the world", I guarantee Buzz would never say that, nor wouild he want his assistants making exagerrated promises when out on the recruiting trail.
You have no idea what was said as you were not there. How could you possibly know what Buzz did or did not say.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 27, 2009, 10:00:24 AM
You have no idea what was said as you were not there. How could you possibly know what Buzz did or did not say.
+1.
I like Buzz, but let's not pretend like we know what he's saying to these kids.
I assume everything is truthful and accurate (based upon what I have seen)... but I'm not there when he talks to them.
The Roseboro thing kinds stinks... but if this is the only time that something like this happens, I'm giving Buzz the benefit of the doubt.
If similar situations start occurring more often... then it could get weird.
The number one mistake kids make when choosing a school to play at is they over reach. What i mena by that is if a kid has offersfrom 5 mid majors and one BCS school they almost always shoot for the top school. Now this cannot be earthshattering and you cannot blame a kid for wanting to shoot for the stars and attempt to compete at the very highest level. However in most instances it leads to the kid being over whelmed on a talent basis and riding pine for 1-2 years before transfering to a lesser level that he can compete at.
Now people want to find blame. Why? should the kid be blamed for shooting gfor the stars and trying to play at the highest level....i would hope not. Should that top school be blamed for offering a kid a chance while everyone in therir right mind is not expecting him to start may end of surprising to the upside and it being a very positive experience....i hope not
so there are risks on both sides....so why is everyone trying to find blame through newspaper articles and forums. Seems from his comments that Roseboro and Buzz know the game and are taking it one heck of alot better than the newspaper scribes, the out of their league HS coaches, and people trying to find foault through message boards.
No one is too blame. Tweener tpye recruits have to make a choice go to alesser school wher ethey can contribute right away or go to a bigger time program and possibly never contribute. i think there would be a lot less pain if players and parents and their advisors ie AAu coaches and HS coaches took a more objective look at things. And they do not always do that the coaches want to look big time by sending there kids to a "name' program, parents too, and of course the kids want to try to compete at the highest level. Bottom line is they often over reach.
Smae thing happens on the other side...a school like an Mu needed size nothing wrong with reaching possible down a notch to give a kid a chance.
happens all the time with kids whetehr it be on the mid major to high major level or the dII to DIII level etc.
again Rosebore seems to be fine with it he knew the challenge and seems to be genuinely happy he gave it a shot and is now content with playing at a lower level.
article seems fair, Roseboro did nothing wrong- in fact did something right in transferring. I feel we erred in not doing better homework before offerring. I hope this is the last time it happens.
Practical matter is that life is not always "fair" or predictable. Its true in the business world as well. I hired numerous guys and gals during my busineess career. That process is similar to BB recruting. You end up with winners, middling performers and some busts. For those in the latter two categories, counseling is always important. For the last category, swift action is best for all parties. I suspect the Roseboro situation falls into this area. Best of luck to Brett in his future endeavors and hope that St. Bonaventure is the right fit for him.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 27, 2009, 08:24:02 AM
Whoever made the point about the HS coaches being held responsible as well is dead right. If you have an average player mistakenly get targeted by a major school after a one or two game aberration, it is your responsibility to tell the school (MU) and the kid that it's not the right fit.
The HS coaches were also in over their heads. They had no idea about the process because they never went through it themselves.
BTW, the article is completely fair. Buzz and his staff screwed up by making a recruiting mistake. What they did a few weeks ago was fair.
Quote from: augoman on August 27, 2009, 11:20:35 AM
article seems fair, Roseboro did nothing wrong- in fact did something right in transferring. I feel we erred in not doing better homework before offerring. I hope this is the last time it happens.
It won't be.
Recruiting mistakes happen not infrequently at every school. Just a part of the process.
Wasn't there another very similar thing that happened a few weeks ago or a month ago with a West Coast school (Arizona or UCLA)?
It happens.
The article was a bit biased for BR and against MU, "Marquette's sins" was one phrase I saw and was like..."hmm, a little harsh."
It's recruiting, nothing is guaranteed. I thought it is good that it did happen this way so that BR could still sign with someone else or go prep school and a better fit for him.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 27, 2009, 08:24:02 AM
Whoever made the point about the HS coaches being held responsible as well is dead right. If you have an average player mistakenly get targeted by a major school after a one or two game aberration, it is your responsibility to tell the school (MU) and the kid that it's not the right fit.
Put yourself in the HS coaches position. As many have stated here, the Quakertown league isn't that good and these HS coaches are not at the top of the food chain. So when a Big East team offers these kids, these coaches are supposed to tell the kid the Big East team is wrong? Really? What if the Big East team was right and the HS coaches convinced the kid not to go?
We've all grown up in a culture in this country that the only ceilings we have are those that we place on ourselves and to reach for the stars. In my mind, if a Big East team and recruiting "experts" from that team say you're good enough to play for them and offer a scholarship, how is the kid or the coaches not going to believe that is the case? For all we know these coaches have been coaching for 1 year or it could be for 25 years but never had a DI athlete, which sounds like the case. If that is the situation, these HS coaches are going to take the "expertise" of a major DI coach and his staff's word, especially when it's followed with an actual offer.
I don't see how any blame can be put on the HS coaches and player here, especially in this case where we're all in agreement that this is a lower level HS league and a poor team. These coaches aren't going to know enough to question a major college team. I'm sure in the back of their minds they though Roseboro was a pretty good player and would go to DI somewhere, but when a major program strolls in and says this guy is good enough to play for us, here's a scholarship...well those doubts disappear because the "experts" have said he's good enough. Can you imagine the conversation: "Gee Brett, I don't know but we think you should go to St. Bonaventure or Hofstra, we realize that one of the best recruiters in the nation offered you a scholarship to play in the Big East, but we don't think he's right. We've had no high major DI players in the history of our coaching so you'll just have to take our word on it that we're right and those guys that do this for a living in evaluating players are wrong".
*Wonders if Rosiak will be chiming in with a blog entry soon*
Quote from: Nukem2 on August 27, 2009, 11:28:03 AM
Practical matter is that life is not always "fair" or predictable. Its true in the business world as well. I hired numerous guys and gals during my busineess career. That process is similar to BB recruting. You end up with winners, middling performers and some busts. For those in the latter two categories, counseling is always important. For the last category, swift action is best for all parties. I suspect the Roseboro situation falls into this area. Best of luck to Brett in his future endeavors and hope that St. Bonaventure is the right fit for him.
+1
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 27, 2009, 10:00:24 AM
You have no idea what was said as you were not there. How could you possibly know what Buzz did or did not say.
I'm saying I'd have a very hard time believing that Buzz pulled a complete 180 from the upfront and honest approach that is his usual self. Considering other recruits have stated his honesty and straightforwardness as a huge reason why they were interested in playing for him I have a hard time believing that he did the exact opposite with Roseboro; sure it's possible, but I'm not going to believe the words of a coach of a below average high school team based on what I know about Buzz.
Quote from: bilsu on August 27, 2009, 06:52:12 AM
I thought the article was fair.
+1.
Roseboro is just a kid, and Marquette was playing a game of high stakes with his life. It is reasonable for there to be some criticism of Marquette for the way this was handled. True, it was great that Buzz and staff were upfront with the kid about playing time and released him from his scholarship, but he shouldn't have been on campus in the first place as it turns out.
what does need to be said by the parents and aau and hs coaches is the following ....Brett these kids are for the most part top 100 players. Theey were not second team all-conference they were first team all state or all-american. They did not avergae 14 points a game they averaged 25-30 they also for the most part contended for state champuonships and played on elite level aau teams since they were in junior high. Are you 100% ok with and still committed to busting you ass like you have never busted it before and will playing veri inferequesntly for very few minutes be acceptable to you. Understanding you may never get appeciable playing time and if you do it will most likely only amount to being a role player at best by your senior year.
If Brett can be honest with himself than all the power to him. the other option is to work equally hard and probably be a role player come his sophomore or junior year with the potential to start for ayear or two.
which of thsoe two would be most acceptable to you. that is the honest discussion that unfortunately does not take place or is not contemplated long enough or hard enough by kids parents and advisiors.
It's the handler's fault!
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on August 27, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
what does need to be said by the parents and aau and hs coaches is the following ....Brett these kids are for the most part top 100 players. Theey were not second team all-conference they were first team all state or all-american. They did not avergae 14 points a game they averaged 25-30 they also for the most part contended for state champuonships and played on elite level aau teams since they were in junior high. Are you 100% ok with and still committed to busting you ass like you have never busted it before and will playing veri inferequesntly for very few minutes be acceptable to you. Understanding you may never get appeciable playing time and if you do it will most likely only amount to being a role player at best by your senior year.
If Brett can be honest with himself than all the power to him. the other option is to work equally hard and probably be a role player come his sophomore or junior year with the potential to start for ayear or two.
which of thsoe two would be most acceptable to you. that is the honest discussion that unfortunately does not take place or is not contemplated long enough or hard enough by kids parents and advisiors.
I question whether this kid is as big a bust as some people are making him out to be. A role player at best by his senior year? Maybe. But players with fewer skills and less potential improved enough to be major actors on major teams, including Marquette. Anyone remember Amal McKaskill? He did not even start for his high school team. He not only started at Marquette, he eventually made it to the NBA. How about Jarod Lovette? Unhearalded and supposedly unathletic, he started for two years and the decline in the team's fortunes had a great deal to do with Lovette's medical problems his senior year. He was good enough to play pro ball, and without those medical problems would have played overseas for a few years.
People are assuming that this kid would never be better than the worst player on the team, just ahead of the walk-ons. Maybe. But even he said he had improved in his short stay at Marquette. Give him a year and he might well be a player next season or the one after. He might well have had a career equal or better than Dwight Burke, which is not at all bad for a college player. He might still wind up being a good college player. But it didn't work out for him here right now.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on August 27, 2009, 07:26:09 AM
Does anyone remember Carlton Christian?
Dude, Carlton Christian was a badass. Don't forget....he dunked on Amare Stoudemire in high school.
Quote from: Goatherder on August 28, 2009, 01:56:58 AM
I question whether this kid is as big a bust as some people are making him out to be. A role player at best by his senior year? Maybe. But players with fewer skills and less potential improved enough to be major actors on major teams, including Marquette. Anyone remember Amal McKaskill? He did not even start for his high school team. He not only started at Marquette, he eventually made it to the NBA. How about Jarod Lovette? Unhearalded and supposedly unathletic, he started for two years and the decline in the team's fortunes had a great deal to do with Lovette's medical problems his senior year. He was good enough to play pro ball, and without those medical problems would have played overseas for a few years.
People are assuming that this kid would never be better than the worst player on the team, just ahead of the walk-ons. Maybe. But even he said he had improved in his short stay at Marquette. Give him a year and he might well be a player next season or the one after. He might well have had a career equal or better than Dwight Burke, which is not at all bad for a college player. He might still wind up being a good college player. But it didn't work out for him here right now.
i do not disagree with you at all ...there is absoltely nothing that said Roseboro could not have been a performer for MU. Nothing at all. But with that being said was he properly sat down and asked what he would be acceptable with. If yu are really looking for immediate playing time then why select MU? I mean like I said you are competing against 7-8 HS all-Americans. If what you are loooking for is more playing time more quickly obviously a lower level is the way to go. My point is kids and parents need to better weigh what it is that they are really looking for better.
Your examples are pretty good the only thing I would argue is Amal was not only bigger but was really athletic and played in the Chicago leagues and had the benfit of a redshirt year and would have signed somewhere else if not MU. It not like Mu was a top 20 program playing tin the BE when we signed him we had just come off an 11-18 season in the MCC. Lovette is probably a better example but Lovette was much more highly regarded and was like a 4 tme all-confernece player and a first team all stater that scored 25 a game versus a second team all- conference player as a senior who scored 14 agme.
i beleive the kid may have had potentila and obviosuly so did the coaches hence the offer. kid seemed to want his cake and to eat it o all on day one.
I'm willing to let Buzz skate on this one, but let's not have any more mistakes of this magnitude. No way the coaching staff should have offered a kid that could not even make it to the beginning of classes. Where was the due diligence.
If Roseboro's expectation was too high, and he chose to leave, so be it.
If Buzz told him not to expect to see the floor for a couple of years, but if he put in the work you never know, and he chose to leave thats on Roseboro.
If Buzz told him to take a hike, we made a mistake, I'll give him one free pass. You can't screw with a kid like that. If that is the case, then I hope the staff is going out of their way to help Roseboro find a place where he fits.
Quote from: mu-rara on August 28, 2009, 10:29:34 AM
I'm willing to let Buzz skate on this one, but let's not have any more mistakes of this magnitude. No way the coaching staff should have offered a kid that could not even make it to the beginning of classes. Where was the due diligence.
If Roseboro's expectation was too high, and he chose to leave, so be it.
If Buzz told him not to expect to see the floor for a couple of years, but if he put in the work you never know, and he chose to leave thats on Roseboro.
If Buzz told him to take a hike, we made a mistake, I'll give him one free pass. You can't screw with a kid like that. If that is the case, then I hope the staff is going out of their way to help Roseboro find a place where he fits.
anyone that thinks the third option occured is simply bonkers
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-s-roseboro.7002639aug29,0,3974849.story?track=rss
Looks like he's going to St. Bonaventure. But read the above article and it's sure to put some more fuel on the fire. The article claims that Buzz went Tom Crean minus the midnight hour and pulled up to Roseboro's place in a limo, though it also claims that occurred "last winter" despite him committing in the fall.
Quote from: chapman on August 30, 2009, 01:13:02 AM
http://www.mcall.com/sports/college/all-s-roseboro.7002639aug29,0,3974849.story?track=rss
Looks like he's going to St. Bonaventure. But read the above article and it's sure to put some more fuel on the fire. The article claims that Buzz went Tom Crean minus the midnight hour and pulled up to Roseboro's place in a limo, though it also claims that occurred "last winter" despite him committing in the fall.
And they didn't bother to learn that the nickname changed 15 years ago, so I'm not going to really trust anything that isn't a direct quote there.
I love the way they make Otule sound like Shaq in the article. And yeah, the Warrior quote is a bit unimpressive.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on August 30, 2009, 07:59:59 AM
And they didn't bother to learn that the nickname changed 15 years ago, so I'm not going to really trust anything that isn't a direct quote there.
JMO, but you will find that the majority of people on the east coast still refer to Marquette as the Warriors whether they know about the change or not. Our former coach was very, very influential during his time and this is evidence of that influence.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 30, 2009, 09:31:38 AM
JMO, but you will find that the majority of people on the east coast still refer to Marquette as the Warriors whether they know about the change or not. Our former coach was very, very influential during his time and this is evidence of that influence.
That's fine and all, but that doesn't make it less wrong.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 30, 2009, 09:31:38 AM
JMO, but you will find that the majority of people on the east coast still refer to Marquette as the Warriors whether they know about the change or not. Our former coach was very, very influential during his time and this is evidence of that influence.
It's one thing when Joe on the street isn't aware, but a sports reporter missing it just comes off as lazy & uninformed.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on August 30, 2009, 07:59:59 AM
And they didn't bother to learn that the nickname changed 15 years ago, so I'm not going to really trust anything that isn't a direct quote there.
"Just last winter Marquette head coach Buzz Williams had flown to Pennsylvania in a private jet to woo Roseboro, even taking a limousine to Roseboro's house for effect. At the time, Roseboro was considering scholarship offers from schools such as West Virginia, Temple and St. John's."Wait, this can't be true,
this MUST NOT BE TRUE! Roseboro is clearly lying (or his coaches are) or wait for it, Buzz is doing the same thing that Crean was (oh and by the way, Kevin O'Neill used to do it too).
Too funny
IMO we should have groomed Roseboro..., he might have been the next Brian Butch.
Quote from: augoman on August 31, 2009, 12:43:23 AM
IMO we should have groomed Roseboro..., he might have been the next Brian Butch.
Is that supposed to be in teal?
Butch was a McDonald's All American and consensus top 50 recruit. Roseboro is a mid level DI pick that didn't make the top 350 in some services. I wish the kid well, he'll probably have a few games where people will say "see what he could have been", but I think MU clearly made a recruiting mistake here and it's good it ended this way.
I guess we'll never get the real scoop on this. Different articles with different implications, and even different quotes from the kid himself.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 30, 2009, 12:03:00 PM
"Just last winter Marquette head coach Buzz Williams had flown to Pennsylvania in a private jet to woo Roseboro, even taking a limousine to Roseboro's house for effect. At the time, Roseboro was considering scholarship offers from schools such as West Virginia, Temple and St. John's."
Wait, this can't be true, this MUST NOT BE TRUE! Roseboro is clearly lying (or his coaches are) or wait for it, Buzz is doing the same thing that Crean was (oh and by the way, Kevin O'Neill used to do it too).
Too funny
Let's just be perfectly honest:
Buzz is more likable (so far), and therefore fans are willing to cut him more slack.
For whatever reason, Crean rubbed some fans the wrong way, and therefore he was criticized for a lot of things that Buzz won't be.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 30, 2009, 12:03:00 PM
"Just last winter Marquette head coach Buzz Williams had flown to Pennsylvania in a private jet to woo Roseboro, even taking a limousine to Roseboro's house for effect. At the time, Roseboro was considering scholarship offers from schools such as West Virginia, Temple and St. John's."
It wasn't that type of limo...
Quote from: 2002mualum on August 31, 2009, 08:41:53 AM
Let's just be perfectly honest:
Buzz is more likable (so far), and therefore fans are willing to cut him more slack.
For whatever reason, Crean rubbed some fans the wrong way, and therefore he was criticized for a lot of things that Buzz won't be.
I think it has just as much to do with "newness". When you're new, you get the extra pass on these things. When you've been here 7, 8 , 9 years, that benefit of the doubt goes away. Too much history is built up. The honeymoon period is over at that point. Happens with everything, whether it's a relationship, a boss, an employee, a teacher, friends, and even basketball coaches.
I just think it's hilarious the slams based on the limo use by folks and Buzz is using a limo (as did KO by the way). It's too funny to me.
Quote from: PE8983 on August 31, 2009, 07:05:04 AM
I guess we'll never get the real scoop on this. Different articles with different implications, and even different quotes from the kid himself.
Probably because different news organizations interviewed him and he gave slightly different answers.
The real question is, did Kevin O'Neill ever pull the same stunt...?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 30, 2009, 12:03:00 PM
(oh and by the way, Kevin O'Neill used to do it too).
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 31, 2009, 10:43:08 AM
(as did KO by the way).
Oh. Thanks, Chicos.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 31, 2009, 10:43:08 AM
I think it has just as much to do with "newness". When you're new, you get the extra pass on these things. When you've been here 7, 8 , 9 years, that benefit of the doubt goes away. Too much history is built up. The honeymoon period is over at that point. Happens with everything, whether it's a relationship, a boss, an employee, a teacher, friends, and even basketball coaches.
I just think it's hilarious the slams based on the limo use by folks and Buzz is using a limo (as did KO by the way). It's too funny to me.
Agree. I'm just saying Buzz is more likable "so far".
If he keeps bringing in talent, winning games, and graduating players, his southern accent and shaved head will be charming.
If he loses a lot of games, has a lot of transfers or players who don't graduate, his accent will become tiresome and his shaved head will be terribly out of style.
"When I was losing, they called me nuts. When I was winning they called me eccentric. "
New article
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/september/08/roseboros-marquette-saga-all-too-common.html
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on September 08, 2009, 12:08:16 PM
New article
http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/local/the_intelligencer/the_intelligencer_news_details/article/120/2009/september/08/roseboros-marquette-saga-all-too-common.html
This is insane.
Buzz is such a conceited ass.
"Buzz Williams, who acknowledged to a Milwaukee newspaper last November that he had left Roseboro's recruitment to one of his assistants, went so far as to
fly into town on a private jet and to have a limo pull up in front of Roseboro's family's home to make an impression."
Let's go haters. Everybody who thought this was wrong back in the Shumpert recruitment be sure to light-up Buzz for this. And, that private jet $ could be used for a lot better things (like Karate lessons).
Buzz is such a self promoter.
It's interesting that so much has been published about Roseboro out of this paper. For sh*ts and giggles, I did a Google news search on him from last year to see what the same paper said about him when he signed.
Here's an article from just after he signed.
http://www1.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/110-12052008-1632858.html
Interesting quote from his coach in this article:
"He's pretty grounded for a 17-year-old kid. For a lot of guys, this would be pretty ego-inflating. But he came right back to do some hardcore workouts. He understands that that goes along with what you accomplish. You don't just walk out and play mediocre. You have to go out and bring it every night."
Now compare this with a quote from the article Chicos just posted:
"And Brett's visions of grandeur - he's 17 - were pretty high, and when they started sweet-talking him, he just turned off the other schools," Keeler said. "I keep on saying this - I was so happy for him, but I was still befuddled."
I think it is clear that the coach and the player were a little over their heads, and the author is trying to paint a sympathetic picture.
What sucks is that Roseboro handled himself professionally and with dignity in all of the quotes that I've seen from him about his departure.
Hopefully the coach that keeps running his mouth about stupid crap doesn't end up getting to him.
Also factor in that about 50% of what you say never even makes it to the story, so who knows what was left in the edited version of any of these articles.
here is the quote that stands at the crux of the entire situation...."Among the promises made, according to Keeler, was the opportunity to play right away for a team that plays in the Big East, that spent a good part of last season ranked in the Top 10 nationally."
Was that promise made...well of course it was. Buzz promised him the OPPORTUNITY to play right away. He promised him an opportunity, just as he promised 12 other kids on the roster that same opportunity. What Brett chose to do with that opportunity is Bretts choice also, unlike Dwight Burke and David Diggs he chose to ship off to St. B's.
All a coach can sell is his program and an opportunity.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on September 08, 2009, 01:37:23 PM
here is the quote that stands at the crux of the entire situation...."Among the promises made, according to Keeler, was the opportunity to play right away for a team that plays in the Big East, that spent a good part of last season ranked in the Top 10 nationally."
Was that promise made...well of course it was. Buzz promised him the OPPORTUNITY to play right away.
And what's left out of that quote was Buzz saying that Lazar was the only player he was guaranteeing 30 minutes a game to, because this year's team wasn't going to be as good as last year's.
*sigh*
Some of the guys to the west certainly have their issues with Buzz. I've never heard one peep about Buzz in a negative fashion in terms of how he is as a person but not surprisingly it's always a few Badger fans that have. ::)
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=4731675
Big steaming pile of 'who cares'. The knuckleheads to the west criticize us for having 100% graduation rate as proof we cheat, criticize us for recruiting a kid who speaks 5 languages as proof our academic standards are lax. Their fearless leader criticized how another man chose to arrive for a funeral. They criticize the parents of our recruits for being too involved or too difficult. They criticize our players for chatting with their old teammates or one of our greats for chatting with another kid from his old high school. F them sideways. Smoke screen to give themselves something to talk about besides the elephant in the room.
Chico's....the humor that should be associated with their fandom throwing Buzz out as anything but a hard-working coach is obvious.
Just send the UW hoops team some beers, and let the humiliation ensue. Now that Gullickson has graduated, NEXT IN LINE! Oops, Diamond Taylor couldn't just get THREE underage drinking tickets, but decided to rob his fellow students...NEXT IN LINE!
But BUZZ is the bastard....come on, some realism would be nice.