http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4043873
We are in his top 3. A four star center, who would ever think?
And isn't James Johnson, the #6 C in that class coming to MU's elite camp this week? Come on Junior, work those Canadien ties!!
Quote from: muarmy81 on August 25, 2009, 03:37:02 PM
And isn't James Johnson, the #6 C in that class coming to MU's elite camp this week? Come on Junior, work those Canadien ties!!
No. According to his father MU has been eliminated.
Quote from: nyg on August 25, 2009, 03:34:07 PM
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4043873
We are in his top 3. A four star center, who would ever think?
Hopefully Buzz can get him. I think we were in the final lists for several 3 & 4 star centers in the last 5 years and always came up short. Chas McFarland, Bryce Webster, Gavinski, Maurice Sutton, Ben-Eze, etc.
Hold the phone, Bro. The last couple of years when we've been in the final 3, we've crapped our pants. But then again, Buzz doesn't seem the type to show up in the hood at midnight in a limo.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 25, 2009, 03:52:48 PM
Hold the phone, Bro. The last couple of years when we've been in the final 3, we've crapped our pants. But then again, Buzz doesn't seem the type to show up in the hood at midnight in a limo.
Oak Park, IL.... is considered "the hood?" Either you've never been there or you sh*t on gold-plated toilets if you think Oak Park is the hood.
I'm still relieved we came up short on Webster and Gavinski...and I'd be surprised if Sutton amounts to anything at Nova.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2009, 03:48:54 PM
Hopefully Buzz can get him. I think we were in the final lists for several 3 & 4 star centers in the last 5 years and always came up short. Chas McFarland, Bryce Webster, Gavinski, Maurice Sutton, Ben-Eze, etc.
Ummm....this isn't exactly a murderers row of centers here. McFarland is decent. Sutton is unknown. Webster will be coached by Utah's answer to John Wooden so we'll see about him. And Gavinski can't even sniff the floor at the mother home of the slow, white center.
Give me a couple more combo forwards instead.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 25, 2009, 03:52:48 PM
Hold the phone, Bro. The last couple of years when we've been in the final 3, we've crapped our pants. But then again, Buzz doesn't seem the type to show up in the hood at midnight in a limo.
Fair enough, that's why I want to see if Buzz has any better luck with these types of players in the recruiting game.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 25, 2009, 04:02:58 PM
Ummm....this isn't exactly a murderers row of centers here. McFarland is decent. Sutton is unknown. Webster will be coached by Utah's answer to John Wooden so we'll see about him. And Gavinski can't even sniff the floor at the mother home of the slow, white center.
Give me a couple more combo forwards instead.
I don't disagree with you, yet they were 3 or 4 star rated players based on the recruiting service. Believe me, I'll be tickled if we can land big men that highly rated at a consistent rate. Crean couldn't, we'll see if Buzz can.
If you click on "Marquette" in the posted article, you can see all the centers we are going after that recruiting class. It was interesting that Dwight Powell took us off of his list and kept Harvard on. If you know that you are not going to the NBA and if your parents have the money to make up for the lack of scholarship, why not hit an ive league as a best investment for your future. I can't imagine a four-star center getting pushed too hard in the Ivy League.
I get the feeling we're leading on him. It would be a big time get, obviously. While we could probably use a guy that can play some PG, it is awfully hard not to take a top 100 big man....and this kid sounds like he could easily jump to the top 50 range.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2009, 05:19:06 PM
I don't disagree with you, yet they were 3 or 4 star rated players based on the recruiting service. Believe me, I'll be tickled if we can land big men that highly rated at a consistent rate. Crean couldn't, we'll see if Buzz can.
What he wrote.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2009, 03:48:54 PM
Hopefully Buzz can get him. I think we were in the final lists for several 3 & 4 star centers in the last 5 years and always came up short. Chas McFarland, Bryce Webster, Gavinski, Maurice Sutton, Ben-Eze, etc.
Aaric Murray was considering the Warriors last year and I think he was higher rated than all these guys
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 25, 2009, 03:48:54 PM
Hopefully Buzz can get him. I think we were in the final lists for several 3 & 4 star centers in the last 5 years and always came up short. Chas McFarland, Bryce Webster, Gavinski, Maurice Sutton, Ben-Eze, etc.
We weren't exactly in the final list for Gavinski. His list was Wisconsin....and then everyone else was way behind. He never really considered going anywhere else once they offered, it was his dream school.
Sutton was more a case of MU backing off than him picking someone else.
Michael Cobbins and jayvaughn pinkston are also seriously considering Marquette despite Scouts lack of info.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on August 25, 2009, 09:32:29 PM
Michael Cobbins and jayvaughn pinkston are also seriously considering Marquette despite Scouts lack of info.
True, but neither one of them are centers, and Pinkston as a 6'5 Power Forward can't really play center.
We also have a mister Maurice Walker from Toronto also considering us! From what I read on ESPN, it sounds like Desrosiers would be a more polished Roseboro (big guy with range, not too much of an inside presence, though), while Walker would be the big man bangin' down low, at 280 lbs!
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=44329&season=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d44329%26season%3d2010
Quote from: bma725 on August 25, 2009, 03:38:38 PM
No. According to his father MU has been eliminated.
Thanks BMA,
Is he still planning on attending the camp this week?
Quote from: muarmy81 on August 26, 2009, 05:55:22 AM
Thanks BMA,
Is he still planning on attending the camp this week?
No.
Quote from: bma725 on August 25, 2009, 10:21:48 PM
True, but neither one of them are centers, and Pinkston as a 6'5 Power Forward can't really play center.
Well neither is desrosiers....cobbins is 6'9", and while pinkston is 6'6' or 5" i think we all know that guys like MAymon, Pinkston, Hayward and Dejuan Blair canplay and control the paint and boards much more than just determined by absolute heighth.
Furthermore, every article i have read about carson staes that he is the type of player that does not use his heighth and fades away on everything. Not saying he cannot or will not be a fantastic player. but to envision him as a 5 and a power 5 or even a power 4 at that is really to miscast him. He is a 4 in the mold of a Merritt or a Novak. While a guy like a Pinkston while only standing 6'6' is your more traditional power in the paint type of player.
http://w3.nbebasketball.com/2009/08/26/maurice-walker-talks-pitt-visit-recruiting-with-nbe/
Here's a Maurice Walker update. Says he wants to visit.
It really depends what Buzz is looking for, Walker is your post up power center who is going to bang inside, whereas Desroisers is going to play the 4 most likely and he would look for mid-range shots and wouldn't be to interested in going inside. I like our chances with both of them, however I think it is going to come down to which one wants to come first, I think it is a first come first serve with these two.
I will say this, if we didn't need a PG bad, I would love to see them both sign as I think there games would work well together on the floor at the same time. However I think we sign one of them and then some version of another PG, no idea who though.
Quote from: Buzz4Prez on August 26, 2009, 12:19:21 PM
It really depends what Buzz is looking for, Walker is your post up power center who is going to bang inside, whereas Desroisers is going to play the 4 most likely and he would look for mid-range shots and wouldn't be to interested in going inside. I like our chances with both of them, however I think it is going to come down to which one wants to come first, I think it is a first come first serve with these two.
I will say this, if we didn't need a PG bad, I would love to see them both sign as I think there games would work well together on the floor at the same time. However I think we sign one of them and then some version of another PG, no idea who though.
It sounds like Montrell Clark is a 4 in the mold of CD. If that's the case I'd prefer to have one banger.
Desrosiers may not be a true center, but clearly he has the size to play the position. He has a European big man skillset, but one traditional skill he possesses that is rarely mentioned is his shotblocking ability. He averaged over 8 blocks a game as a Soph en route to a #1 ranking and MA state championship. Through much of the season he had been averaging a triple-double.(couldn't find his stats for last year, but his team were runners-up). While he is very thin in the upper body, his legs are extremely powerful. This leads me to believe that his frame will fill out really nicely. Carson should be able to contribute right away and his ceiling is very high. Big time potential.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on August 25, 2009, 03:58:31 PM
Oak Park, IL.... is considered "the hood?" Either you've never been there or you sh*t on gold-plated toilets if you think Oak Park is the hood.
HAHAHA! That couldn't have been said any better.
Well it does border the blue light district on Chicago Ave...
wasnt Desrosiers supposed to attend the Elite camp this past weekend?
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on September 01, 2009, 08:25:54 AM
wasnt Desrosiers supposed to attend the Elite camp this past weekend?
No, he will be in for a visit in the coming weeks.
Okay, so I know only as much about Maurice Walker as ESPN tells us (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=44329&season=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d44329%26season%3d2010) but this is seemingly the EXACT type of player that MU needs.
From the sounds of things, the kid can run the floor, enjoys contact, and brings a bit of offensive ability to the table...he is perfect for the B-East...we just have to hope that Cadougan and, formerly, McMorrow's Canuck roots entice this monster to join the Warrior nation...
Quote from: MU_Iceman on September 01, 2009, 10:37:12 AM
Okay, so I know only as much about Maurice Walker as ESPN tells us (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=44329&season=2010&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d44329%26season%3d2010) but this is seemingly the EXACT type of player that MU needs.
From the sounds of things, the kid can run the floor, enjoys contact, and brings a bit of offensive ability to the table...he is perfect for the B-East...we just have to hope that Cadougan and, formerly, McMorrow's Canuck roots entice this monster to join the Warrior nation...
Member of the Canadian Junior National Team. Wasn't Cadougan also a member of that? I wonder if they played together.
As the old chestnut goes " a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". We have a sought after 7'2" young, intelligent,teachable , athletic terrific prospect on campus now and a 6'10" returning player whom is developing. What center prospect would want to come in on scholarship to compete with a 7'2"project for pt???? If YOUS develops as we all hope he cuts it, what top prospect would look forward to riding the pine while YOUS STARS??? Let us be thankful and encouraging for YOUS and CHRIS and not wishing for other projects. Looks like Buzz is recruiting other pieces to complement the player talent he now has. I for one like the incoming 2010 class and hope Vander commits that would be dynamite.
you can't teach height BEAUJAC and both of the guys we have now are very, VERY raw talents. Anyone with some offensive ability and a little more bulk than these two would definitely be able to compete for PT. I hope that they are able to mature and able to give us quality minutes down the road but you can't teach 6'10" and 280 lbs like Walker. Both Chris and Yous would have to bulk up a lot to get to that weight.
I agree you cannot teach 7'2". But with bulk you lose mobility, running ability, and endurance. What would you rather have a mobile 7 footer who could run the break block shots and play an entire game or an imobile one who splits time? I am sure once YOUS and CHRIS get into those Milwaukee style pizzas they will be up around 250+ I would suspect that might be their ideal playing weight but I would leave that up to our training staff to develop that. I personally like a mobile greyhound to a behemoth enforcer but I would not turn one down either.
Quote from: BEAUJAC77 on September 01, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
As the old chestnut goes " a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". We have a sought after 7'2" young, intelligent,teachable , athletic terrific prospect on campus now and a 6'10" returning player whom is developing. What center prospect would want to come in on scholarship to compete with a 7'2"project for pt???? If YOUS develops as we all hope he cuts it, what top prospect would look forward to riding the pine while YOUS STARS??? Let us be thankful and encouraging for YOUS and CHRIS and not wishing for other projects. Looks like Buzz is recruiting other pieces to complement the player talent he now has. I for one like the incoming 2010 class and hope Vander commits that would be dynamite.
"IF" is the key word there...we have no reason to believe that Yous is going to be anything special - in fact, at his height, ONLY weighing 215 lbs means that a stiff breeze could probably knock him over; though I'm hopeful, the likelihood that he provides meaningful minutes and develops quickly into a quality Big is VERY unlikely - and O'Tule was unable to get off the bench all last year on a team that had NO size...MUWarrior hits the nail on the head,
you cannot teach size.
Think back to the Final Four team, we already had Scott Merritt, Chris Grimm, and Steve Novak on the roster; 3 guys over 6'10" (not to mention Terry Sanders who wasn't exactly small). But it was the addition of Robert Jackson (a 6'10", 280lb transfer) who made the biggest difference in transforming us from a very good team, to an elite team.
That team had 3 centers on their roster and often played two of them on the floor at the same time...Their season went pretty well, don't you think?
The one major liability from the old regime was there inability to develop bigs. (Our best big was RJax who transferred in for his senior year) The hope is that this staff can. I don't forsee any big time center prospects committing to MU in the near term so the hope is that we recruit one center per year with the hope that they develop and mature into very productive centers their junior and senior years. I expect Otule and Yous to be better versions of Barro come their junior and senior seasons and I expect the same from future center commits. Hopefully Walker is the next big that joins the ranks.
MU may have listed those guys at 6'10 or taller, but none of them actually were, and Jackson wasn't even close.
Jackson may not have even been a true 6'8".
I think you need at least 3 centers who can contribute. If you only have 2, then you are always one injury away from having no backup at center. When you have projects and players that need to develop at the 5, then having at least 3 is mandatory, and hopefully at least 2 are ready to play at any given time. A true center is becoming a luxury in college, but something that sure would be nice to have on a team - as long as he can run the floor.
When dealing with prospects who have to develop, you can't count on 2 guys to fill the 5.... if you have 3, then if you have one that is ready and one almost ready and one that is a ways off, at least you have a starter and a back up guy that can man the 5 for a few minutes. That pretty much has to be the plan in modern college ball, since most good 5's will be in the NBA sooner than later. So signing a 5 at least 3 out of 4 years, should be the goal.
I like the recruiting under Buzz. We have a couple of 5's that could develop into legitimate contributors at the 5. But, it may take a couple of years. Getting a Walker type (or a Carson Desrosiers or Powell who may be more of 4's than 5's, but giving height at the five when needed), would be really nice, and give us a big that can be expected to contribute sooner than later. Adding another 5 is important, so that we can limit how often we have to go small at the 5, especially on defense against teams with legitimate 5's.
Quote from: BEAUJAC77 on September 01, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
...What center prospect would want to come in on scholarship to compete with a 7'2"project for pt???? If YOUS develops as we all hope he cuts it, what top prospect would look forward to riding the pine while YOUS STARS???
No disrespect to Chris or YOUS but center prospects who want immediate playing time would have a much, much better chance of displacing them than the frontcourts at Georgetown, Texas A&M or the elite programs.
If anything, the number of minutes we have to give away at the 4 and 5 should make MU an attractive place for a 3-4 star big. If he's ready-to-play but not a Greg Oden the elite programs would be more likely to make him ride the pine behind upper classmen now only to recruit over him later in his career.
Quote from: bma725 on September 01, 2009, 02:00:12 PM
MU may have listed those guys at 6'10 or taller, but none of them actually were, and Jackson wasn't even close.
That'd be important if everyone wasn't listed at a exaggerated heights.
i think you need 3-4 true bigs on the roster at all times, i know buzz referred to wanting a PG every year and he might have said a big every year too i dont recall. But if he did i absolutely agree.
The 5 star bigs are going to Ohio State , memphis, georgetown, Unc etc. Might Mu grab one at some point ...i would hope so but that cannot be expected what can be accomplished though is to follow the plan that ....ack....Bo ryan has at Wisconsin.
Recruit a 6'10" or bigger 3 star or 4 star type every year. That way you have a guy like an otule last year a freshman who is no wear near ready, but you would also have a sophomore 1 year closer to contributing and you would have a Junior and a senior ready to go. A guy like a Aaron Gray would be a great example of this really nothing his first two years. Wisoconsin has also used the redshirt rather effectively, something we cannot even consider until the shelf gets stockked. OOze was another example of being a 3 star type that ended up a pretty solid player by his Junior and senior years. he really struggled in years 1 and two but ideally he should not have been counted on then, however, our past coach had noone else with any height on the team.
I love what Buzz has done Otule in year 1, Mbao in year two, Now we have clark in year 3, although he seems to be more of a 4 either way he is 6'10. it would be nice to sign another big and continue 1 a year that way we are not forced to play bigs that are not ready or be left without any if one transfers or does not work out.
I would be thrilled with either Black, Desrosiers, Walker, Pinkston or Cobbins. (i know pinkston is only 6'6" but everything I read compares him to Dejuan Blair....works for me)
http://www.eagletribune.com/pusports/local_story_018013406.html
The best they've seen in this region?!? I'd like to see another talented East coast guy choose MU.
Buzz is set with an in-home visit on 9/15 with CD
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on September 01, 2009, 03:38:11 PM
That'd be important if everyone wasn't listed at a exaggerated heights.
What are you talking about?
DJ was 6'0
McNeal was 6'3"
Wes was 6'6"
Burke was 6'9"
you forgot the teal. ;D