Just out of curiosity, how many people are planning on going to the BC on Saturday night? My wife and I will be headed down there and as this is our first time going to a dinner like this wanted to ask the MUScoop masses about 2 things.
1. I'm guessing we wouldn't look out of place in formal (suit/tie, summer/cocktail dress) attire.
2. Is this the sort of event where people mob some of the bigger stars for autographs and photo opportunities or do they keep them pretty far away from those of us who have the $75/head tickets?
Either way, we are really looking forward to it!
Thanks for the help and Happy Friday everyone!
I sincerely hope that those in attendance boo Tom Crean out of the building. This is a guy who was showing up to Little League games in Indiana attire just days after giving Father Wild and Marquette the finger. I think it's in poor taste that he even show up. A 10 year reunion is one thing...5 years, and just a couple after taking a dump on the sidewalk in front of Marquette Hall is another.
I was wondering the same thing on attire. I know the Basketball Banquets are shirt and tie events. I was thinking this would be the same?
As for Crean, yes he is a douchebag but the event is to honor the 2003 team and what it did for Marquette. You can't not honor Crean.
I hope we have more class than to boo him out of the building. No one has to clap though.
In 2013, if the Cubs decide honor the 10th anniversary of the 2003 team, do you think Sosa will be booed? I do. He did a lot for the Cubs in 2003 and prior.
But he will be booed because, upon leaving town, it was revealed that he lacked much of the character his fans thought he had.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 21, 2009, 06:26:38 AM
I sincerely hope that those in attendance boo Tom Crean out of the building. This is a guy who was showing up to Little League games in Indiana attire just days after giving Father Wild and Marquette the finger. I think it's in poor taste that he even show up. A 10 year reunion is one thing...5 years, and just a couple after taking a dump on the sidewalk in front of Marquette Hall is another.
MY, my.temper, temper Mr. PR. Your man-love for TC is so apparent. :o
Remember how often Al McGuire came back to Marquette after 1977?
Oh yeah, he didn't. Wouldn't even attend public reunions, other than through videos.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 21, 2009, 09:57:13 AM
Remember how often Al McGuire came back to Marquette after 1977?
Oh yeah, he didn't. Wouldn't even attend public reunions, other than through videos.
I was @ MU from 78-82 and Al came around a lot.
He did speeches at the Varsity Theatre, Pep rallies before DePaul and ND games in BMU. Later on he MC'd Reunions at the BC, and was funnier than hell at all of these. Al was a very private man, but he showed up as much as you would expect.
PRN, you are either a liar or totally ignorant, or didn't go to MU.
A douchebag none the less.
Quote from: mu-rara on August 21, 2009, 10:10:12 AM
PRN, you are either a liar or totally ignorant, or didn't go to MU.
A douchebag none the less.
Bwahaha, owned.
Confirmed attendees:
Jim Allen Award Recipient
Karon Bradley Award Recipient
Joseph Chapman Award Recipient
Bill Cords Award Recipient
Tom Crean Award Recipient
Travis Diener Award Recipient
Anthony Gries Award Recipient
Christopher Grimm Award Recipient
Leonard Hardison Award Recipient
Scott Holsopple Award Recipient
Darrin Horn Award Recipient
Dan Idstein Award Recipient
Robert Jackson Award Recipient
Lisa Kanning Award Recipient
Bill Kelly Award Recipient
Andrew Klister Award Recipient
Darin Maccoux Award Recipient
Dean Manglona Award Recipient
Kate McGeeney Award Recipient
Steven Novak Award Recipient
Terry Sanders Award Recipient
Rell Schwab Award Recipient
Jared Sichting Award Recipient
Todd Townsend Award Recipient
Dwyane Wade Award Recipient
why isn't tom brice on that list?
Quote from: muhannan on August 21, 2009, 10:39:22 AM
why isn't tom brice on that list?
Tommy Brice didn't join the team until 2005.
the most influential player to date for Marquette basketball = tom brice
Quote from: mu-rara on August 21, 2009, 10:10:12 AM
I was @ MU from 78-82 and Al came around a lot.
He did speeches at the Varsity Theatre, Pep rallies before DePaul and ND games in BMU. Later on he MC'd Reunions at the BC, and was funnier than hell at all of these. Al was a very private man, but he showed up as much as you would expect.
PRN, you are either a liar or totally ignorant, or didn't go to MU.
A douchebag none the less.
I attended Marquette from 1987 until 1990. McGuire was not only NEVER around, he stated repeatedly that he intentionally stayed away from Marquette games, including reunions. I have also attended reunions of these players. Al would attend for the private function, but tape messages for the game recognitions. His only appearances at Marquette were for Al's Run.
If he appeared at pep rallies at Marquette in 1978 I would be SHOCKED! I'm not going to call you a liar for claiming this, but there is absolutely no way it's true. Not a chance.
It's either a complete fabrication or you've somehow embedded a non-existant memory in your head.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 21, 2009, 11:02:46 AM
I attended Marquette from 1987 until 1990. McGuire was not only NEVER around, he stated repeatedly that he intentionally stayed away from Marquette games, including reunions. I have also attended reunions of these players. Al would attend for the private function, but tape messages for the game recognitions. His only appearances at Marquette were for Al's Run.
If he appeared at pep rallies at Marquette in 1978 I would be SHOCKED! I'm not going to call you a liar for claiming this, but there is absolutely no way it's true. Not a chance.
It's either a complete fabrication or you've somehow embedded a non-existant memory in your head.
Not even gonna dignify with a refute. I stand by my original response to your post.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 21, 2009, 06:26:38 AM
I sincerely hope that those in attendance boo Tom Crean out of the building. This is a guy who was showing up to Little League games in Indiana attire just days after giving Father Wild and Marquette the finger. I think it's in poor taste that he even show up. A 10 year reunion is one thing...5 years, and just a couple after taking a dump on the sidewalk in front of Marquette Hall is another.
Settle down, dude.
If you don't like him, don't go.
If you are there and still don't like him, don't clap.
Tom Crean didn't sleep with your wife and kill your dog, so don't act like he did.
A quick breeze through "I Remember AL McGuire" reveals this from Bill Cords (page 125):
"Al stayed away from the school, but he kept track of everything."
Cords must be lying about that.
McGuire was definitely around. He used to come to the old MU alumni game that they would hold at the MECCA auditorium back in the mid to late 1980s, as well as the old UW vs MU alumni game that they held back then as well.
I can distinctly remember getting his autograph at a couple of different events, and him being the one to tell us that Jerome Whitehead wasn't coming because he had an NBA game the next day and couldn't arrange his flights to get back in time.
I was at MU from 79-80 through 82-83. I remember Al speaking at a pep rally at the BMU the night before a game (though I couldn't tell you which one, DePaul or ND, I think) where he was doing the national TV broadcast. I'm pretty sure it was during the 79-80 season, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 21, 2009, 11:13:00 AM
A quick breeze through "I Remember AL McGuire" reveals this from Bill Cords (page 125):
"Al stayed away from the school, but he kept track of everything."
Cords must be lying about that.
When was Cords AD you douchebag?
Okay you two --
you went to MU separated by 5-8 years--isn't it possible that AL did come around in the time early after his coaching career and then later decided to cut ties? You guys weren't there at the same time, right? we could always settle this by maybe calling athletics or something. I will also ask my folks, they were there the same time as mu-rara.
but the bigger issue here i guess is the dislike of crean being at our function. it sucks but he *did* coach here and the team *did* get to the Final 4. i don't know where that leaves us, but those are the facts. maybe everyone can whisper evil hexes under their breaths and give him the fish-eye if it'll make you feel better. I don't think it should come as a shock that he's attending, why would he turn down the recognition? (given his track record, i don't think we should expect the "high" road really) Take it for what it is and be happy for the other inductees, that's why you're going???
P.S. Did anyone make it to Richards last night for the pep rally?
I hope nobody claps and nobody boos.
The silence would be deafening!
One of my beefs with how TC ran the place was how, early on especially, he washed out the history of KO & Deane. He wanted it known MU was great in 77 and from there on in, we sucked. Except for Doc Rivers (RETIRE IT!!). Eventually he came around on the 94 team. They started getting a little more pub.
This approach always bothered me. The fact was 2 years before TC was hired we had won a Conf Tourney and played in the NCAAs. It wasn't exactly siberia, though with the help of Greg Clausen you may have been able to see it from there.
So, just as I wanted more respect for KO & Deane, I say we should equally honor TC. He 100% built & coached the FF team. Having him absent would be an insult to our memories. Regardless of how much of a jag he was and regardless of how much his recruiting and coaching actually regressed as his ego grew out of control.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 21, 2009, 09:57:13 AM
Remember how often Al McGuire came back to Marquette after 1977?
Oh yeah, he didn't. Wouldn't even attend public reunions, other than through videos.
He came back for the retirement of the 77 banner. I was there for the dinner ceremony after as well. That was 1998 or 99. He also came around in 1997 for the 20 year reunion of the 77 championship team.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 03:19:55 PM
He came back for the retirement of the 77 banner. I was there for the dinner ceremony after as well. That was 1998 or 99. He also came around in 1997 for the 20 year reunion of the 77 championship team.
Liar.
He would never do that.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 21, 2009, 12:06:52 PM
I hope nobody claps and nobody boos.
The silence would be deafening!
I think that would be extremely disrespectful. Al McGuire would role in his grave if our fans did that.
My recollection is that Al wanted to give Raymonds space to be his own man. I think he wanted that for every coach that followed him. I wasn't a student then, so can't say anything about pep rallies, etc. I do remember that I think it was 1981, MU was a hundred years old and they did a basketball game at Marquette High school. One team was coached by Al, one by Hank, consisting of former MU players. On one of the first plays, one player, I think maybe Craig Butrym, dunked and broke the backboard, and they had to play a half-court game the rest of the way, LOL! Al also founded Al's Run right after he retired, and then started broadcasting. Kevin O'Neill told stories about coming in from practice to find Al in his office. So I think he was around, but not necessarily out in the public eye. Al could have chosen to move to NY or someplace bigger but didn't.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 03:26:29 PM
I think that would be extremely disrespectful. Al McGuire would role in his grave if our fans did that.
If Al was rolling in his grave, it would only be because he hadn't stopped rolling since TC publicly bitchslapped George Thompson. Lazar NEVER would have been handed #24 if Al was alive.
Nice work Chicos, I was all about supporting TC tomorrow night and you made me recollect anothe reason why the man is an absolute fraud.
But still, please those in attendence, do not resort to booing.
Quote from: mu-rara on August 21, 2009, 10:10:12 AM
I was @ MU from 78-82 and Al came around a lot.
He did speeches at the Varsity Theatre, Pep rallies before DePaul and ND games in BMU. Later on he MC'd Reunions at the BC, and was funnier than hell at all of these. Al was a very private man, but he showed up as much as you would expect.
PRN, you are either a liar or totally ignorant, or didn't go to MU.
A douchebag none the less.
I was at MU in 78 and 79. Al McGuire did not come to Campus a single time. When he came with NBC, hi did the game from the truck.He never entered The Arena. I think you are sadly mistaken.
According to Joe Trues facebook, Dwyane Wade is at the AL with Gabrielle Union. Think we'll see her tomorrow?
Quote from: CTWarrior on August 21, 2009, 11:24:46 AM
I was at MU from 79-80 through 82-83. I remember Al speaking at a pep rally at the BMU the night before a game (though I couldn't tell you which one, DePaul or ND, I think) where he was doing the national TV broadcast. I'm pretty sure it was during the 79-80 season, but I wouldn't bet on it.
I can confirm that he came for a pep rally--it was definitely not during 79-80.
There was a huge deal made of it because it was the first time Al was back on campus since '77.
Back to the original question: you'll be fine with a suit, sport coat, and or a tie. Your wife could wear a pant suit or eqivalent or a business-casual dress. Probably not a sundress. I've been to a couple of events/banquets so that's my experience. Also, I would come prepared with camera, sharpie pen, etc. just in case. :)
Quote from: The Lens on August 21, 2009, 04:21:27 PM
If Al was rolling in his grave, it would only be because he hadn't stopped rolling since TC publicly bitchslapped George Thompson. Lazar NEVER would have been handed #24 if Al was alive.
Nice work Chicos, I was all about supporting TC tomorrow night and you made me recollect anothe reason why the man is an absolute fraud.
But still, please those in attendence, do not resort to booing.
The Al McGuire I had the pleasure of working with for 4 years, especially the last two with the broadcasts and such, would find it unbelievably disrespectful if people in the audience sat on their hands or booed. There is no question in my mind based on my interactions with the man.
I'd also like to know why GT isn't on the air now since TC isn't there anymore? Since TC is blamed for pulling him off the air, why isn't he back on? There's a lot more to that story and only one version has been told.
A pantsuit?
TC never pulled George off the air nor did George quit solely because of TC. My comment about the public bitch slap is all about Lazar being given the #24.
And while GT has not returned to the booth, he has returned to games, banquets, events etc. Coincidence?
BTW Chicos, congrats on knowing Al so well. If only all of us could have had that relationship.
Quote from: mu-rara on August 21, 2009, 11:29:34 AM
When was Cords AD you douchebag?
Cords started at MU in 1987. Are you telling me that from 1977 McGuire couldn't stay away, even usurping Hank Raymonds by appearing at pep rallies the YEAR AFTER HE RETIRED?! But by 1987 he decided it'd be best if he stayed away? The fool in this conversation is you, I'm afraid.
To Chicos -- I realize McGuire's stance softened in the mid to late 90s. My original point was to compare his behavior immediately following his exit to Creans. You must admit, it's quite a contrast.
Quote from: The Lens on August 22, 2009, 09:22:56 AM
TC never pulled George off the air nor did George quit solely because of TC. My comment about the public bitch slap is all about Lazar being given the #24.
And while GT has not returned to the booth, he has returned to games, banquets, events etc. Coincidence?
BTW Chicos, congrats on knowing Al so well. If only all of us could have had that relationship.
Coincidence? No. Petty? Yes. You can't get along with the coach so you stay away from games. Silly. It becomes all about "me" at that point with two personalities pissing straight into the wind.
I never said I knew Al McGuire "so well", I said based on my interactions with the man, he would find the notion of people booing or sitting on their hands extremely disrespectful. I stand by that statement.
No Scott Merritt at the dinner?!
Ladies refer to dress pants/slacks/trousers with a coordinating blazer/jacket as a "pant suit." ;) Is this confusing? You could also consult the tv program "What Not to Wear!" on TLC.
Quote from: Boone on August 22, 2009, 12:22:38 PM
No Scott Merritt at the dinner?!
Merritt is playing for Tochigi Brex in the Japanese league. Their season starts in a few days, so he may not be able to get back.
Quote from: susie90 on August 21, 2009, 05:50:00 PM
Back to the original question: you'll be fine with a suit, sport coat, and or a tie. Your wife could wear a pant suit or eqivalent or a business-casual dress. Probably not a sundress. I've been to a couple of events/banquets so that's my experience. Also, I would come prepared with camera, sharpie pen, etc. just in case. :)
THANK YOU! LOL Was wondering how long it would be before this one got answered.
Quote from: bma725 on August 22, 2009, 02:17:21 PM
Merritt is playing for Tochigi Brex in the Japanese league. Their season starts in a few days, so he may not be able to get back.
He left last Sunday, so coming back from the far East wouldn't make sense. Plus, he saw many of these guys at Marcus Jackson's wedding a few weeks back. Funny aside -- Crean rsvp'd to the wedding, then texted some excuse last minute.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 21, 2009, 11:02:46 AM
I attended Marquette from 1987 until 1990. McGuire was not only NEVER around, he stated repeatedly that he intentionally stayed away from Marquette games, including reunions. I have also attended reunions of these players. Al would attend for the private function, but tape messages for the game recognitions. His only appearances at Marquette were for Al's Run.
If he appeared at pep rallies at Marquette in 1978 I would be SHOCKED! I'm not going to call you a liar for claiming this, but there is absolutely no way it's true. Not a chance.
It's either a complete fabrication or you've somehow embedded a non-existant memory in your head.
McGuire appeared on campus to cover the game against UNLV in 1978. I do not know if he attended any pep rallies that year. He did attend the pep rally before the De Paul game in 1982. I was present. In 1981 or thereabout, he took part in an alumni game to celebrate the centennial of the university. He coached one team and Hank coached the other. The game was held at Marquette High. I cannot confirm other appearances McGuire made during that period, but there certainly were some. Your underlying point that McGuire did not visit the campus in the period after the national championship is simply wrong. He made at least several public appearances on campus in a period of time less than five years after leaving Marquette.
How about Al's Run?
I was at MU 84-88 and saw Al around campus plenty.
Quote from: Freeport Warrior on August 22, 2009, 06:27:21 PM
He left last Sunday, so coming back from the far East wouldn't make sense. Plus, he saw many of these guys at Marcus Jackson's wedding a few weeks back. Funny aside -- Crean rsvp'd to the wedding, then texted some excuse last minute.
Excuse? No excuses are needed when you're family.
I hope someone's able to share the observations from the dinner. Pictures would be great!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on August 21, 2009, 11:02:46 AM
I attended Marquette from 1987 until 1990. McGuire was not only NEVER around, he stated repeatedly that he intentionally stayed away from Marquette games, including reunions. I have also attended reunions of these players. Al would attend for the private function, but tape messages for the game recognitions. His only appearances at Marquette were for Al's Run.
If he appeared at pep rallies at Marquette in 1978 I would be SHOCKED! I'm not going to call you a liar for claiming this, but there is absolutely no way it's true. Not a chance.
It's either a complete fabrication or you've somehow embedded a non-existant memory in your head.
Post 1977 Al didn't attend MU games unless he was working for CBS/NBC, but he did come back a few times to be honored along with his teams and I remember several dinners I atended which he was the honoree. But generally he stayed away. Didn't want to take the attention from Hank & Rick as head coaches and never was close to Duket or O'Neil. Crean pursued a relationship with him in the two years before he died in January 2001.
Privately he mentioned that he didn't want to interfere -----he used the ND situation in the early 1950s as an example of how a previous coach can ruin a program------this after the legendary Frank Leahy had retired and Terry Brennan took over as ND head football coach and to make a long story short -----Leahy made a nuisance of himself being very visible & critical of the way Brennan was running the team------needless to say that ND football hit rock bottom not to be resurected until Ara Parsegian was appointed HC in the mid 1960s.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 21, 2009, 05:39:43 PM
I can confirm that he came for a pep rally--it was definitely not during 79-80.
There was a huge deal made of it because it was the first time Al was back on campus since '77.
I remember a pep rally Al did in the late '70's - it was before the MU - ND game which was being televised by NBC. It was a hateful sight but I suppose Al did it for the showmanship angle rather than any love for ND. I know many, many people were outraged that Al would turn up at an ND pep rally, especially one nationally televised and for the MU game
I guess you can say that Al didn't show up at MU post 1977 unless he was asked.
I attended from 03 to last year and I can definitively state that I saw his ghost walking around the old gym.
Quote from: Murffieus on August 23, 2009, 02:20:45 PM
I guess you can say that Al didn't show up at MU post 1977 unless he was asked.
That makes sense.
I wish Crean would do the same thing and show some class.
I can't believe he showed up the other night uninvited!
I was at that pep rally warthog refers to, it was in early 1978 I believe at South Bend. I had already graduated but had gotten tickets to the game from someone I knew at the time who worked at ND. It was clear to me it was a TV driven thing. Al said he hated to say he thought ND would win, but that was his opinion. He didn't say he wanted them to win, just that he thought they would ( and I think they did). I was never mad at him for that, saw it for what it was.
Al was DePaul pep rally my junior year. He started coming around more and more after that. He was at BC twice for the '77 team if memory serves me. Trust me Al knew the less frequent the visit the more they would be talking about it. He was a private guy that loved the spotlight, but only when he wanted it.
I never said Al was around "all the time". I know he did not want to show up Hank or Majerus. He came around when invited. That was maybe once or twice a year when I was at MU.
I'm not sure what happened when. I know he did a lecture at the Varsity Theater and a couple of pep rallies while I was at MU. He did reunions at the BC (at least 2).