Just heard it through the grapevine-Kahlil Mcdonald, a Juco guard from Blinn JC, has committed to Marquette, and he may possibly be coming this year. Originally committed to OK State at juco, but their was some kind of mix-up with scholarships.
Can you see if Marvin Gaye can hook the rest of us up too?
Quote from: cyismydog on August 17, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
Just heard it through the grapevine-Kahlil Mcdonald, a Juco guard from Blinn JC, has committed to Marquette, and he may possibly be coming this year. Originally committed to OK State at juco, but their was some kind of mix-up with scholarships.
Have not seen his name before. Interesting, if true, that he might come this year. I wonder if that signals some larger concern about Cadougan and the NCAA.
Coaches cannot stand have open scholarships.
If true, he seems like an interesting pickup, and a good use of the Acker opening. He was the ninth overall scorer in NJCAA Division I. For comparison, DJO was eleventh.
http://www.njcaa.org/sports_stats.cfm?sid=4&divid=1&gender=m&slid=2&seasonselect=426
Thanks Cy - given your track record, I have no reason to believe your info is bad.
Assuming he is coming in immediately, good use of the extra scholie we've got this year! Buzz seems to have some VERY good contacts in the juco ranks to alert him when someone becomes available that may have not previously been available (i.e. - DJO, and Kahlil)
If he can play point this is a big get. No two ways about it.
Also, he shot 57% from the field, 53% from three, and 83% from the FT line. Wow... I hope this is true.
http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_player.cfm?category=stats&sid=4&divid=1&slid=2&collegeId=1687&teamid=79239&athleteid=244348&seasonselect=426
Awesome get as the pg spot is rather thin at the moment.
Can someone calm me down about the Junior situation? No problems with his eligibility right?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 17, 2009, 05:04:37 PM
Awesome get as the pg spot is rather thin at the moment.
Can someone calm me down about the Junior situation? No problems with his eligibility right?
Jones might want to be calmed down about the Junior situation, too. He seems pretty excited to play with him:
"When asked about which players Jones was most excited about hitting the hardwood with, Cadougan topped the list, as he said, "Junior Cadougan, I'm excited about him because both of us will be out on the wing together."
http://www.hoopsreport.com/news/hoopsnews/jamailjonestomarquette
It might be a good sign that Junior should be okay. Another quote in here should help but an end to people's squabbles over Jones' SAT. I'd guess the 1350 is legit based on this tidbit:
"Academics was the other selling point for Jones, who might pursue an undergraduate pre-med degree."
In the words of a good friend, "If f****** Renardo Sidney can get cleared, I'd think Cadougan's okay".
Here's some more info...
http://hsnewyork.scout.com/2/610752.html (http://hsnewyork.scout.com/2/610752.html)
Shooting Guard's Stock Is On The Rise
By Brian Towey
Senior Reporter
Posted Jan 18, 2007
Upon moving from Wings Academy in the Bronx to American Christian School in Aston, Pennsylvania, Tony Bergeron inherited a number of players, one of whom was a New Yorker named Kahlil McDonald. McDonald, who had played at Bishop Loughlin in Brooklyn previously, was a player Bergeron was familiar with on some level, but he wasn't quite sure what to expect.
"I knew him coming in from Five Star Camp because Loughlin was one of our programs," said Bergeron. "I was told that he would be perfect for us. I was told that I'd have to adjust the attitude a bit, but when I got down there, I never saw the attitude. I found a kid who was dying to reinvent himself."
To some degree, that is exactly what McDonald has done. Which is not to say that the 6-foot-1, 187 pound shooting guard and native of Brooklyn completely overhauled his game. Instead, with the encouragement of Bergeron, he has fully embraced the one skill that sets him apart: his shooting ability.
"My game has changed, but what coach wants me to do is shoot the ball," said McDonald. "Here my role is to shoot, and I can do that pretty well."
"I said to him, if you go ahead and keep shooting those threes, it's going to lead to a Division I scholarship," said Bergeron.
McDonald has always been an exceptional shooter, going back to his days in the CHSAA. Originally a member of the class of 2005 coming out of Bishop Loughlin, he was one of the city's top marksmen, and a player who was nearly automatic off of the catch.
After leaving Loughlin, McDonald enrolled at Rise Academy in Philadelphia in the fall of 2006. He spent half the year at Rise before transferring to American Christian. But basketball was shelved for the remainder of the year as he focused on schoolwork.
For Bergeron, he has been a revelation, so much so that the coach characterized his 5-for-12 shooting performance from behind the arc in a 110-91 win over South Kent at the Nike Super Six last weekend as "a bad shooting day." Accordingly, schools are beginning to catch on.
"He's blowing up," said Bergeron. "When I came here, he had nothing. Iowa State was really intrigued. Iowa State, St. Peter's, Fordham, are interested.
"Everybody's basically waiting on the SAT score. He'll pass, I'm confident of that. He's a smart kid. He just hasn't taken the test since his junior year."
It is pretty heady stuff for a kid who was marginally a scholarship player coming out of high school. Physically, the 19-year old has matured. He was a wispy wing shooter at Loughlin, and a shade under six feet. He has grown a couple of inches since then and has improved his upper body strength appreciably, out of necessity.
"It's better competition here than in regular high school because guys are bigger and stronger," said McDonald. "Going into the paint, guys are physically so much bigger in prep school than in the CHSAA."
He has also embraced what he does well. A few years back, McDonald appeared interested in transforming himself into a point guard. Now, he knows where he fits.
"If he wants to go to the high major level, he has to be a specialist," said Bergeron. "He's certainly a secondary ball handler at a lower level."
http://oklahomastate.scout.com/2/857135.html (http://oklahomastate.scout.com/2/857135.html)
Hoops Recruiting: Will Juco Star Join OSU?
By Terry Tush
Posted Apr 16, 2009
The Oklahoma State basketball staff considers recruiting to be a 24-hour-a-day, seven-days-a-week, 52-weeks-a-year opportunity. The signing of Jarred Shaw on Wednesday gives OSU a full allotment of 13 scholarship players but that doesn't mean Travis Ford is finished with the 2009 class. Don't be surprised to see OSU add another player between now and the end of the signing period May 20.
One player who would like to sign with Oklahoma State, and could have an immediate impact on the 2009-10 team, is junior college guard Kahlil McDonald, a third team NJCAA All-American this past season at Blinn College in Brenham, Texas.
The 6-foot-4, 195-pound McDonald set the Blinn season scoring record as a freshman last season, averaging 21.4 points per game during the regular season. He helped the Buccaneers to a 23-9 record while earning first team All-Region XIV honors in his first season at Blinn.
"It was pretty good season," McDonald said earlier this week. "We broke a lot of records. We had the most wins in school history, we made the second round of the playoffs for the first time in school history, we swept San Jac (Jacinto) for the first time in a long time... I broke the record for most points in a season."
McDonald, who made 53.1 percent of his three-point shots (94 of 177 ) this past season, says he expected more of himself despite all of the postseason accolades.
"(I didn't play) to my standards because I thought I could have played better," he said, "but a lot of other people thought I had a great year because I was first team All-Region and all-conference and third team All-American. I just hold myself to higher standards, so I thought I could have played better."
Oklahoma State began recruiting the Brooklyn, N.Y., native late in the season, and McDonald said he plans to sign with the Cowboys before the signing period ends May 20. But he must first win an appeal with the NCAA regarding his eligibility.
McDonald says he played one year at a prep school in Pennsylvania before sitting out a year ago to attend a New Jersey junior college where he did not play basketball but worked to improve his grades. He then transferred to Blinn College where he was an immediate standout.
He must appeal to the NCAA because its rules state that a junior college player is not eligible unless he has completed three semesters of full-time classes (12 hours or more). McDonald, however, was only enrolled in 11 hours during his one semester at the New Jersey junior college.
McDonald was being recruited by numerous schools until they realized he may not be immediately eligible. Oklahoma State, Iowa State, South Florida and Marquette decided to continue in the pursuit of the All-American sharpshooter. Although he has yet to visit Oklahoma State, he says he will sign with the Cowboys if the NCAA rules that he is eligible, and does not have to return to junior college for another semester. He says that ruling may take a couple of weeks.
"I'm waiting to see what's going to happen with the appeal. I'm just saying my prayers," said McDonald, who says he has a 2.7 grade-point average at Blinn. "If they rule for me, then I'm going to sign with Oklahoma State and be there this summer. Right now, I'm verbally committed to Oklahoma State.
"If they say I'll have to take another semester of junior college, I guess I'll have to come back (to Blinn) and then come to Oklahoma State in January. I'm not thinking about the negatives. I don't know what I'd do."
This move is really interesting. It puts them over for '10 as of now.
And with the amount of really good post players Buzz was still on in that class, I have to wonder if something is happening behind the scenes. Hard to believe they're done, but going 2 over would be somewhat alarming.
His numbers look good, and outside shooting was one of my big concerns about this team. Certainly fills a need, just brings up some interesting questions.
Wow, and he would be a three year player. Especially assuming Cadougan will immediately/eventually start, it's a heck of a way for Buzz to fill a roster spot in mid-August.
QuoteThis move is really interesting. It puts them over for '10 as of now
What I read says he can be ready to play right now.....taking Acker's spot.....did I miss something?
Acker's scholarship basically opened a year early. So his would be filled by McDonald. Cubillan and Hayward's also open, so two left for 2010. We already have Bowen, Clark, and Jones committed for 2010, leaving us one over.
From the articles on McDonald, sounds like he is a shooting guard with no interest in being a point guard. Did I miss something?
Quote from: MUfan12 on August 17, 2009, 05:45:56 PM
Acker's scholarship basically opened a year early. So his would be filled by McDonald. Cubillan and Hayward's also open, so two left for 2010. We already have Bowen, Clark, and Jones committed for 2010, leaving us one over.
Interesting indeed. Looks like the tradition of oversigning (even though these are just verbals so far) is alive as well. Swenson will be horrified. ;D
53% from downtown?? DAAAAAAAAAAMN.......I love the match up problems this kid will present but assuming like novak that his greatness will mean he has an equally awesome weakness.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 17, 2009, 04:50:45 PM
Thanks Cy - given your track record, I have no reason to believe your info is bad.
Track record........as in predicting Johnnie Lacy to play for Bruce Pearl?
IF this turns out to be true, it fills Acker's spot for 09-10. The oversigning for 10-11 will work itself out by (A) another injury/illness ending a career, (B) one or more of our newcomers blow up and is 1 and done (oh, pleasepleaseplease) (C) somebody loses the fight for PT, reads the writing on the wall, and transfers, (D) somebody does not cut it academically. In order of preference, B, C, A, D.
Quote from: tower912 on August 17, 2009, 07:59:22 PM
IF this turns out to be true, it fills Acker's spot for 09-10. The oversigning for 10-11 will work itself out by (A) another injury/illness ending a career, (B) one or more of our newcomers blow up and is 1 and done (oh, pleasepleaseplease) (C) somebody loses the fight for PT, reads the writing on the wall, and transfers, (D) somebody does not cut it academically. In order of preference, B, C, A, D.
For the sake of the young man involved I would hope somebody doesn't cut it academically (D) rather than have them end their career via injury (A).
Has anyone else found a source that knows for sure?
This is a long way from being finalized, per reports.
Avalanche-The Lacy thing was a complicated situation, but as far as my track record, I have broken several commitments to Iowa State, and I think I was the first person to break the DJO commitment on this board.
Quote from: cyismydog on August 18, 2009, 08:28:45 AM
Avalanche-The Lacy thing was a complicated situation, but as far as my track record, I have broken several commitments to Iowa State, and I think I was the first person to break the DJO commitment on this board.
You seem to be well connected, and you definitely did break the DJO commitment. However...multiple MU sources have stated that there is a long way to go, before this is a done deal.
Perhaps Fulce's knee will never be 100% and he and Buzz know that. Next season Fulce will follow McMorrow and remain in school, but no basketball. Just a thought.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 17, 2009, 07:52:17 PM
Track record........as in predicting Johnnie Lacy to play for Bruce Pearl?
As Cy mentioned, he did have the first DJO report. Note, I didn't say this was a done deal, just acknowledging that the info he's sharing is likely from a good source. It's possible Kahlil has given Buzz a call to say he's coming, and Buzz is still trying to figure out of there's a spot for him.
You have to have a little flexibility when it comes to this recruiting info, if we dismissed every "word on the street" that we got here, then we'd have to rename ourselves to MUNewsFromMarquette instead of MUScoop. The latter is easier to type into a browser ;D
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 18, 2009, 09:05:53 AM
As Cy mentioned, he did have the first DJO report. Note, I didn't say this was a done deal, just acknowledging that the info he's sharing is likely from a god source.
A god source? You think Cy is placed *that* high???
Cy - Do you know Brett Favre?
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Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 18, 2009, 08:32:21 AM
You seem to be well connected, and you definitely did break the DJO commitment. However...multiple MU sources have stated that there is a long way to go, before this is a done deal.
In general, when some one is a reliable source, does that make them an unreliable person to have insider info?
My good friend is at the "top of the food chain" on Charlie Weiss's Notre Dame football staff and is extremely carefull about revealing any info about possible recruits. W/o revealing specific connections to the MU b-ball staff, how does inside info posted on message boards help our cause?
Quote from: TomW1365 on August 18, 2009, 11:05:04 AM
... how does inside info posted on message boards help our cause?
We have a cause?
I'd say that MUScoop's "cause" during the summer is to keep us all occupied with BSing and hearsay until basketball starts up again. Any info, true or otherwise, furthers that cause.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 18, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
We have a cause?
I'd say that MUScoop's "cause" during the summer is to keep us all occupied with BSing and hearsay until basketball starts up again. Any info, true or otherwise, furthers that cause.
In that case, I heard that John Wall was trying to get out of Kentucky so he could come play for Buzz.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 18, 2009, 11:13:21 AM
We have a cause?
I'd say that MUScoop's "cause" during the summer is to keep us all occupied with BSing and hearsay until basketball starts up again. Any info, true or otherwise, furthers that cause.
I guess by cause I mean help grow MU into a perenial top 10 team.... I guess you're right about the fact MUScoop's cause is to keep us occupied and educated with MU info while we're chomping on the bit for b-ball season to start.
I just wonder aloud how wise it is to reveal info regardless of whether it's rumor/hearsay or facts. Regardless of that answer, it's damn entertaining! It's like TMZ for MU basketball.
Mark Miller, who I trust implicitly on this stuff, seems to indicate that this is a long way off. (I hope I'm not taking Mark's words out of context)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 18, 2009, 11:32:07 AM
Mark Miller, who I trust implicitly on this stuff, seems to indicate that this is a long way off. (I hope I'm not taking Mark's words out of context)
Agreed. Mark is as reliable as they come.
Right now I'm guessing this is not going to happen. Will be tough to get him cleared for this season with it being so late in the summer.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 18, 2009, 11:32:07 AM
Mark Miller, who I trust implicitly on this stuff, seems to indicate that this is a long way off. (I hope I'm not taking Mark's words out of context)
A long way off - as in next year, or a long way off - as in he'll arrive just before classes start?
Quote from: lurch91 on August 18, 2009, 12:10:40 PM
A long way off - as in next year, or a long way off - as in he'll arrive just before classes start?
He will have to comment, but my interpretation was a long way off from this happening (I assume commitment). He may have meant something different, not sure.
Quote from: TomW1365 on August 18, 2009, 11:23:05 AM
I guess by cause I mean help grow MU into a perenial top 10 team....
If anyone thinks that we have anything to do in making that happen, they are sadly mistaken.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 18, 2009, 09:44:20 AM
A god source? You think Cy is placed *that* high???
No just his source ;) I'll fix the typo.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 18, 2009, 12:51:07 PM
If anyone thinks that we have anything to do in making that happen, they are sadly mistaken.
Message boards effect recruiting. Anyone who doesn't believe that needs look only at the case of Terrence Boyd. He's a top player that made his decision at least in part because of what fans said about him on a message board.
Quote from: bma725 on August 18, 2009, 01:00:40 PM
Message boards effect recruiting. Anyone who doesn't believe that needs look only at the case of Terrence Boyd. He's a top player that made his decision at least in part because of what fans said about him on a message board.
Ditto with Vander Blue.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 18, 2009, 12:51:07 PM
If anyone thinks that we have anything to do in making that happen, they are sadly mistaken.
Obviously I'm not inferring that posting opinions and "scoops" on MU Scoop can help us become a top 10 program. It's largely on the coaches/administrators/players to do that. My goal is to represent MU well in my personal life and support our athletic programs along the way. Alumni involvement can only bring positives to the school and b-ball program. But to BMA and Lurch's point, we can affect recruiting efforts in a negative way on message boards. This is a great forum though... it seems most are here for all the right reasons.
Quote from: TomW1365 on August 18, 2009, 02:17:16 PM
This is a great forum though... it seems most are here for all the right reasons.
Except for my first post on this site when I posted: Who the hell is Addyson Reese Williams? I thought it was a recruit we signed and couldn't find info about him/her... I came to find out it was Buzz Williams new addition to the family... but that was after a few a*&holes started making a bunch of assumptions about me and went on my business website and ridiculed me... but other than that, it's been good.
Guys, I'm not even a Marquette fan, I'm an Iowa State fan. This didn't come from Marquette, it came from another one of my sources. Just FYI, ISU recruited him pretty hard before we found out about his grade issues, but I've followed his recruiting pretty closely.
"grade issue".... OK, Cy, you have now opened a whole new can of worms. WHAT grade issue?
Quote from: tower912 on August 18, 2009, 04:55:36 PM
"grade issue".... OK, Cy, you have now opened a whole new can of worms. WHAT grade issue?
We should expect issues by now. Been plenty of that in the last 18-24 months.
And, cy, I wasn't having a go. I just read your info was good, looked at your history and noticed half of your posts were about Lacy going to Tennessee, and then posted about the track record.
Being right about the Odom commit means more then the Lacy miss because McDonald is in the same family of JUCOs.
He only took 11 credits his first semester in junior college. Since he did not qualify after high school he needs to complete two years of JC, which generally means he has to take 12 credits a semester. He did not play basketball his first year at JC, so he has sophomore status as far as eligibility. However, he needs a waiver from NCAA because he was one credit short his first semester and therefore has completed only 1 1/2 fulltime years without the waiver.
Quote from: tower912 on August 18, 2009, 04:55:36 PM
"grade issue".... OK, Cy, you have now opened a whole new can of worms. WHAT grade issue?
the slope of his driveway?
Quote from: tower912 on August 18, 2009, 04:55:36 PM
"grade issue".... OK, Cy, you have now opened a whole new can of worms. WHAT grade issue?
the same grade issues that have now been discussed ad nauseum for the last 50 posts!
Mea Culpa... to me, 'grades' = not getting it done in the classroom. Not getting the right # of credits is something else entirely. The NCAA sees it differently.
Quote from: tower912 on August 18, 2009, 05:55:16 PM
Mea Culpa... to me, 'grades' = not getting it done in the classroom. Not getting the right # of credits is something else entirely. The NCAA sees it differently.
It's a little of both. He was at a JUCO in the first place because he couldn't qualify out of Prep School. And he went to Prep school because he couldn't qualify out of high school. This is a kid that was originally part of the high school class of 2006, who would just be entering college in 2009.
Quote from: bma725 on August 18, 2009, 06:30:54 PM
It's a little of both. He was at a JUCO in the first place because he couldn't qualify out of Prep School. And he went to Prep school because he couldn't qualify out of high school. This is a kid that was originally part of the high school class of 2006, who would just be entering college in 2009.
Is he worth tying up another scholarship? I mean, one of the articles said that he is basically just a spot up shooter at this level.
so was steve novak for about 2 years. albeit he is 6'10''
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 18, 2009, 07:14:02 PM
Is he worth tying up another scholarship? I mean, one of the articles said that he is basically just a spot up shooter at this level.
Man, can we complain about guys after we see them play at Marquette instead of based on articles we read? I don't think having more shooters on the team can hurt.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on August 19, 2009, 07:41:42 AM
Man, can we complain about guys after we see them play at Marquette instead of based on articles we read? I don't think having more shooters on the team can hurt.
Was I complaining? I was asking the question if people thought he was worth tying up a scholarship. I honestly am conflicted by this because we are oversigned by one and IMO completely out of the picture for more 2010 prospects because I don't think oversigning by two is going to happen. Is getting this guy for three years better than getting an incoming HS student for four?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 19, 2009, 07:58:13 AM
Was I complaining? I was asking the question if people thought he was worth tying up a scholarship. I honestly am conflicted by this because we are oversigned by one and IMO completely out of the picture for more 2010 prospects because I don't think oversigning by two is going to happen. Is getting this guy for three years better than getting an incoming HS student for four?
This is a question that will never be really answered, because if we take McDonald now we will never know who we would have got instead. McDonald could be a good player that is more of an insurance policy against injury or he could actually win some games with key shots. That we will only know after his career is ended. We could get one of the players we are hoping to get and they could do something stupid off court and be sent packing by Buzz. I suppose if McDonald went elsewhere we could follow him and compare him to our next commit. McDonald with a year of experienceat MU is problably going to be more effective than a freshmen the following year.
Quote from: lurch91 on August 18, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
Ditto with Vander Blue.
Blue didn't decomitt because of what was said about him on message boards.
If Vander Blue really cared about what was said about him, following his decomittment...he wouldn't still be considering the Badgers.
Seems like this year we need another excellent ball handler and passer. Someone that can break presses, run and setup the offense and see the open man for an assist. Kahlil McDonald doesn't fit that description.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 19, 2009, 08:55:21 AM
Blue didn't decomitt because of what was said about him on message boards.
If Vander Blue really cared about what was said about him, following his decomittment...he wouldn't still be considering the Badgers.
You should tell Vander Blue that.
Wisconsin decommitment a lesson for message-board miscreants (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11776517)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 19, 2009, 07:58:13 AM
Was I complaining? I was asking the question if people thought he was worth tying up a scholarship. I honestly am conflicted by this because we are oversigned by one and IMO completely out of the picture for more 2010 prospects because I don't think oversigning by two is going to happen. Is getting this guy for three years better than getting an incoming HS student for four?
And that's why Buzz gets paid the big bucks. If McDonald does sign for this year, Buzz must believe that his signing provides us with more benefits then signing a 2010 player. Lets not forget, he knows more about everything that relates to this team then any of us do. I.e. We might be named with a lot of big time players for 2010 but do we have a realistic shot of getting them? Maybe he knows someone is leaving early. Maybe someone doesn't qualify. Who knows. We obviously don't so to critique this signing when we don't know the details is a bit absurd.
My opinion on the potential signing is I don't know if its good or not because I don't know everything that is going on with the team and other legit potential recruits but I do know that I think, at this point in time, that Buzz has done a great job with building this roster and balancing the roster to boot so I tend to lean towards Buzz knows what he is doing and if he signs McDonald, its a good thing. Of course, the upcoming season could be a disaster and my opinion of Buzz might change but right now he hasn't done anything to make me doubt his decisions.
Oh and one other thing. We need to get over TC and the TC era. His decision making was his decision making, not Buzz. Lets not base judgements on Buzz's decision making ability on what happened during the TC era, the AL era, the Dukiet era or any other era. Different players, different programs and different coach. I.e. I don't care that none of TC's late signings amounted to anything as Buzz might not have signed Trend, Niv and whoever else is considered a late signing.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 19, 2009, 09:30:26 AM
You should tell Vander Blue that.
Wisconsin decommitment a lesson for message-board miscreants (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/11776517)
Right, but he decomitted before the message boards blew up. He was obviously shook by the response that his decision received, but the decomittment came first.
Again, if he was really, truly concerned about it, he would have eliminated UW.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 19, 2009, 11:09:50 AM
Right, but he decomitted before the message boards blew up. He was obviously shook by the response that his decision received, but the decomittment came first.
RTFA next time.
Once again:
QuoteThe decommitment was prefaced by a story about the Madison native's alleged academic woes, which led to some Wisconsin fans spending their days publicly bashing the Class of 2010 standout on the Internet. They questioned his attitude, character and intelligence. And guess what? Vander Blue read it and it bothered him.
I can't believe people are ignoring the biggest impact this signing would have...He's a NYC kid...Looks like a Big East Tournament Title will soon be coming to MU!
Skatastrophy...while I was slightly mixed up on my timeline, the fact still remains...if it really effected him that much, he would've eliminated UW as a possibility. Yes, it obviously shook him up, but didn't cause him to completely rule out UW.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 19, 2009, 11:09:50 AM
Right, but he decomitted before the message boards blew up. He was obviously shook by the response that his decision received, but the decomittment came first.
Again, if he was really, truly concerned about it, he would have eliminated UW.
Wrong.
It all started with the article which mentioned if Blue didn't straighten out his acedemics he'd be attending Junoir College and not Wisconsin. The Wisconsin board blew up about how he was stupid and that Bo was getting ready to jettison his @$$.
After that Blue called a conference to announce he was reopening his recruiting.
This was all disected ad naseum a few months ago, the posts are still around here somewhere if you want to look back and read them.
Quote from: lurch91 on August 19, 2009, 11:53:04 AM
Wrong.
It all started with the article which mentioned if Blue didn't straighten out his acedemics he'd be attending Junoir College and not Wisconsin. The Wisconsin board blew up about how he was stupid and that Bo was getting ready to jettison his @$$.
After that Blue called a conference to announce he was reopening his recruiting.
This was all disected ad naseum a few months ago, the posts are still around here somewhere if you want to look back and read them.
All you have to do is look up one post, and realize I caught my mistake.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 19, 2009, 11:57:44 AM
All you have to do is look up one post, and realize I caught my mistake.
You didn't catch your mistake, I did. Your original point was based on a faulty premise ("If Vander Blue really cared about what was said about him, following his decomittment...he wouldn't still be considering the Badgers."). There wasn't anything said about him after he decommitted. He decommitted because people were smack-talking about him. After he decommitted there were just a bunch of people left on message boards blaming each other for who was smack-talking in the first place.
The fact is that it affected him to the point that he decommitted from UW and he reopened his recruitment. That is in no way a small reaction to something whimsically posted by fans on a message board.
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 19, 2009, 11:32:26 AM
Skatastrophy...while I was slightly mixed up on my timeline, the fact still remains...if it really effected him that much, he would've eliminated UW as a possibility. Yes, it obviously shook him up, but didn't cause him to completely rule out UW.
It's not that simple. There are factions that need to be appeased, things that need to be smoothed out etc. Even if he planned from the day the story broke to not go to UW at all, it's in his best interest to continue mention them at least occasionally. He's in a very delicate situation, and has to be very careful about his actions for several reasons. Flat out saying he's eliminated them at that point would be been a major disaster.
Quote from: bma725 on August 19, 2009, 12:02:56 PM
It's not that simple. There are factions that need to be appeased, things that need to be smoothed out etc. Even if he planned from the day the story broke to not go to UW at all, it's in his best interest to continue mention them at least occasionally. He's in a very delicate situation, and has to be very careful about his actions for several reasons. Flat out saying he's eliminated them at that point would be been a major disaster.
But, do you think he decomitted based on what was said on the message board?
So, his handlers are handling him. I doubt Blue goes to UW or any other school in Wisconsin.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 19, 2009, 07:58:13 AM
Was I complaining? I was asking the question if people thought he was worth tying up a scholarship. I honestly am conflicted by this because we are oversigned by one and IMO completely out of the picture for more 2010 prospects because I don't think oversigning by two is going to happen. Is getting this guy for three years better than getting an incoming HS student for four?
I'm all for a stud one-and-done. ;)
Quote from: mufanatic on August 19, 2009, 10:22:32 AM
Oh and one other thing. We need to get over TC and the TC era. His decision making was his decision making, not Buzz. Lets not base judgements on Buzz's decision making ability on what happened during the TC era, the AL era, the Dukiet era or any other era. Different players, different programs and different coach. I.e. I don't care that none of TC's late signings amounted to anything as Buzz might not have signed Trend, Niv and whoever else is considered a late signing.
So far Buzz's late signings are McMorrow and Butler. Mcmorrow's health issues render him a moot point. Butler's success gives Buzz a level of credibility in this area that TC never earned.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 19, 2009, 12:44:20 PMSo far Buzz's late signings are McMorrow and Butler. Mcmorrow's health issues render him a moot point. Butler's success gives Buzz a level of credibility in this area that TC never earned.
Not that I disagree with you, but it is a pretty small sample size...
I understand D-Wade still has a year of eligibility left and misses WI winters. ::)
Quote from: GOMU1104 on August 19, 2009, 12:06:22 PM
But, do you think he decomitted based on what was said on the message board?
Solely based on the message board? No.
According to his friends he'd been thinking of opening it up well before that. The message boards were just the final straw.
I'd be on the far side of spectrum that says MOST kids don't weight message boards heavily, but I don't how you can argue that MOST kids do read them, and SOME kids put a great deal of value in what is said.
I don't feel an urge to bash a young man on a public site that allows me to hide behind my computer, so I do become a bit frustrated with that part of this site, and I do think it has to be kept in mind by those posting. No sense in burning any bridges. Thanks to this board TC will never want to come back to MU after he wears out his welcome at IU.
Why would anyone ever, even in their most out-of-body experience, want him back?
Adiós, mf'er and the horse you rode in on.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 19, 2009, 01:47:27 PM
Why would anyone ever, even in their most out-of-body experience, want him back?
Adiós, mf'er and the horse you rode in on.
I think the fact that it was in teal meant he was being in sarcastic. But I guess knee-jerk responses are color blind.
Sultan I think a lot of people read these boards on their phone, I know I do. If that is the case you don't see the color of the post, just because it appears one way on a PC doesn't mean it will be formatted the same everywhere.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 19, 2009, 12:44:20 PM
So far Buzz's late signings are McMorrow and Butler. Mcmorrow's health issues render him a moot point. Butler's success gives Buzz a level of credibility in this area that TC never earned.
Plus we know that TC made Wade a certain #5 overall pick and after he tinkered with him, when he should have been #1 right out of high school. The kid never improved one iota.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 02:43:19 PM
Plus we know that TC made Wade a certain #5 overall pick and after he tinkered with him, when he should have been #1 right out of high school. The kid never improved one iota.
I believe he is referring to Juco players. Not recruiting in general.
I saw and understood the remark was sarcasm. My response was neither knee-jerk nor sarcastic.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 19, 2009, 03:16:54 PM
I saw and understood the remark was sarcasm. My response was neither knee-jerk nor sarcastic.
You're right..."obsessive" would be a better term.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 19, 2009, 12:55:01 PM
Not that I disagree with you, but it is a pretty small sample size...
Butler is head and shoulders above any of TC's late signings. Buzz could strike out for the next 8 years and still be ahead of the game.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 02:43:19 PM
Plus we know that TC made Wade a certain #5 overall pick and after he tinkered with him, when he should have been #1 right out of high school. The kid never improved one iota.
Don't know how this addresses or mitigates Crean's abysmal spring signing record but I've never suggested that Wade's game didn't improve over the three years he spent at Marquette. I think you'd be hard pressed to find an example of an elite (top 3) NBA player who didn't show any progress between the ages of 19 -22. I'm sure that TC worked hard with and for Wade and for that Dwyane is and will remain grateful. The fact remains that without Crean DW would still be one of the best players in the world today. Who knows where TC would be today without Wade? Certainly not in Bloomington and quite possibly not in Milwaukee either.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 19, 2009, 03:26:45 PM
You're right..."obsessive" would be a better term.
I prefer "focused."
I'm guessing either a CYO league or WNBA.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on August 19, 2009, 02:47:40 PM
I believe he is referring to Juco players. Not recruiting in general.
My remarks were actually for Lenny. If you read one of Lenny's comments the other day, Crean and MU staff had literally nothing to do with Wade's success. Apparently Wade was always a top 5 pick and none of us knew it in those first two years. ::)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 19, 2009, 05:31:36 PM
Butler is head and shoulders above any of TC's late signings.
But, apparently not good enough to help us
be better than even get to .500 in the league.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 07:49:49 PM
My remarks were actually for Lenny. If you read one of Lenny's comments the other day, Crean and MU staff had literally nothing to do with Wade's success. Apparently Wade was always a top 5 pick and none of us knew it in those first two years. ::)
Wade is one of the 3 best basketball players in the world. Like LeBron and Kobe, I'm sure he's greatful to the various mentors he's had along the way. But genius is something no teacher can give to a pupil, and DWade (and Lebron and Kobe) get there given any reasonable stewardship. I'll give TC that much credit. But this was a winning lottery ticket for Crean - one he's cashed so many times it makes me ill.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 19, 2009, 08:44:45 PM
But, apparently not good enough to help us be better than even get to .500 in the league.
I dunno, is Butler going to be drafted in the middle of the draft in two years along with Lazar this year? I sure hope so, because the last time we had two nba draft picks on the team they managed to go 7-9 in the mighty CUSA after that magical 8-8 run the year before!!! Of course, that comparison doesn't make sense because those teams also had a lot more talent coming back besides the top two with Merritt the first year and Mason the second. MU is much less experienced this year and really no guy you could point to as the 3rd option. Oh wait, that's right, we can't compare next year to those years because they weren't TC's best coaching jobs. We can only judge Buzz against, quite arguably, TC's best coaching job in 05-06; how silly of me.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 19, 2009, 08:44:45 PM
But, apparently not good enough to help us be better than even get to .500 in the league.
Where have I even suggested what my expectations are for this year's team? You set the baseline for this year's team based on Crean's best coaching year ever coupled with the most overachieving freshman class in MU history. I'm on record as saying that's unfair and indicative of an agenda. That remains my assessment. I'll let you know my expectations at or near the beginning of the season. Fair enough?
Wow. Started off on Kahlil and now it sounds like a new thread needs to be made centering on Crean's recruiting classes. ::)
I'm so glad it's almost time for Midnight madness.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 19, 2009, 09:44:23 PM
Where have I even suggested what my expectations are for this year's team? You set the baseline for this year's team based on Crean's best coaching year ever coupled with the most overachieving freshman class in MU history. I'm on record as saying that's unfair and indicative of an agenda. That remains my assessment. I'll let you know my expectations at or near the beginning of the season. Fair enough?
And where I have I ever suggested that the baseline for this year's team was Crean's best coaching year? I said .500/8th place was the baseline. I never said 4th place is the baseline.
I do think that
you should be honest enough to set expectations that high--after all,
you have
already declared Buzz a
better coach and recruiter. If you feel that way, the performance should show up in the W/L record.
Instead--you criticize me because I think the team should go .500.
I think we can see *your* agenda--you don't like Crean, so have already decided
in advance regardless of actual performance, that Buzz a better coach and recruiter.
I can't be more clear--I've stated on numerous occasions I'm more than willing to conclude Buzz is a better coach and recruiter--
when his teams actually perform better. I don't think he's proven it yet.
BTW, you claim Butler is proof of superior recruiting, but how do you know Butler isn't just overachieving? Never mind--I already know your answer: only Crean's recruiting and coaching can be discredited by calling his recruits overacheivers.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 20, 2009, 02:01:53 AM
And where I have I ever suggested that the baseline for this year's team was Crean's best coaching year? I said .500/8th place was the baseline. I never said 4th place is the baseline.
Um, you said it right here, on July 1, 2009 (see below). In fact, you didn't say it was the baseline, you emphasized that it was the
floor. I took that as meaning that anything less than 4th place in the big east meant that Buzz was a worse coach and/or recruiter than TC. Thank god we keep every post archived to keep you honest. Oh wait, you say you were being sarcastic? Never mind then. Keep tellin' us how it is. If you shift your argument enough, maybe we'll all get confused...
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 01, 2009, 08:12:06 PM
I base my comment on past history.
In 2006, with a largely freshman team, we finished tied for fourth, and yet a significant number of people to this day complain that we had no big east calibre players, we were poorly coached, and we underachieved.
With the #1 recruiting class and a player from the 2009 USA Men's World University Games Team, I would think that 2006 performance (tied for 4th place) would represent the floor for expectations for this year's team. I have to think that most would expect league championships after that with the talent coming in for next year.
The expectations from MU fans are far higher than they are at Virginia.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 20, 2009, 02:01:53 AM
I can't be more clear--I've stated on numerous occasions I'm more than willing to conclude Buzz is a better coach and recruiter--when his teams actually perform better. I don't think he's proven it yet.
Oh yes - you're just about as clear as the Ohio River. I once almost caught a small Sturgeon in the Ohio River. Or wait, maybe it was just a big Bass. Hard to tell - the water is pretty murky. I'm sure you understand the confusion.
Well done RW, well done.
Is it just me or doe sbuzz appear to be shaping into a real solid get for Marquette as a program?
His basketball philosophy rather than set plays seems to be attracting some pretty awesome talent on a regular basis.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 20, 2009, 03:44:36 AM
Um, you said it right here, on July 1, 2009 (see below). In fact, you didn't say it was the baseline, you emphasized that it was the floor. I took that as meaning that anything less than 4th place in the big east meant that Buzz was a worse coach and/or recruiter than TC. Thank god we keep every post archived to keep you honest. Oh wait, you say you were being sarcastic? Never mind then. Keep tellin' us how it is. If you shift your argument enough, maybe we'll all get confused...
Do you honestly believe that was me stating my personal view? Of course you didn't. You knowingly took this quote out of context. It was obviously a projection of what I think
others should expect based on their oft-stated views of the relative comparison of coaching and recruiting, taken from the middle of a long thread, and a direct response to one of those who has often stated that we were poorly coached and lacked talent under the previous coach.
Why else would you include this comment "
Oh wait, you say you were being sarcastic? Never mind then. Keep tellin' us how it is."?
Its as if you knew exactly what my response would be. Of course I was being sarcastic!
Nice try--that probably works on some people. By any chance are you a politician? Used car dealer?
Sorry--your verbal gamesmanship doesn't change a thing. You took that quote out of context and ignored other more direct statements:
For example, here:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=15175.msg142640#msg142640
(http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=15175.msg142640#msg142640)
And here:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=4559902&p=2 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=415&f=2850&t=4559902&p=2)
Nonetheless, I'll take some of the blame since you still found a way to misinterpret that July 1st post. Allow me to be more direct for you:
1. Anyone who is of the belief that we were poorly coached and lacked big east talent in 2006 (and that we have improved both recruiting and coaching since then) has an agenda if they don't expect similar performance this year.
2. I personally will be disappointed if we don't finish .500/8th place this year. After evaluating our schedule (with an easy crossover draw) and overall talent--both on our team and across the league--I believe that is a reasonable expectation.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on August 20, 2009, 07:31:07 AM
Well done RW, well done.
Is it just me or doe sbuzz appear to be shaping into a real solid get for Marquette as a program?
His basketball philosophy rather than set plays seems to be attracting some pretty awesome talent on a regular basis.
I'm hopeful that you're right.
I'm really looking forward to watching our team play this year. It will give us insight into how "Buzz's teams" will play in the future when they're filled up with guys that he recruited.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 20, 2009, 08:11:03 AM
Nonetheless, I'll take some of the blame since you still found a way to misinterpret that July 1st post. Allow me to be more direct for you:
1. Anyone who is of the belief that we were poorly coached and lacked big east talent in 2006 (and that we have improved both recruiting and coaching since then) has an agenda if they don't expect similar performance this year.
2. I personally will be disappointed if we don't finish .500/8th place this year. After evaluating our schedule (with an easy crossover draw) and overall talent--both on our team and across the league--I believe that is a reasonable expectation.
In response to 1: That was prolly TC's best coaching job ever. I think nearly everyone agrees that MU highly overachieved that year based on what expectations were prior to that season.
In response to 2: You could also make a case that this team has much less returning talent than either of Diener's last two teams, yet those teams only went 8-8 and 7-9 against much weaker competition. Why do you insist on comparing the upcoming year to 05-06 instead of 03-04 or 04-05? I realize this team has a similar set-up to that team but that's where the comparisons should stop in my mind.
I would much rather see this team go 9-9 this year and for MU to actually get better year after year instead of staying about the same as the 3 amigos did. 9-9 may end up being too optimistic or it may end up being too pessimistic, but I'll reserve judgement about this team until I can actually watch them play in a game. Trying to set any type of expectations (good or bad) is silly if you haven't ever seen 7/12 of the team suit up together, and if fact, you've only seen 2 of the guys playing healthy in the prior year. My gut feeling is this team goes 10-8 this year, but I really have no basis for that judgement so it's really just a number I'm throwing out there based on pretty much nothing right now, but at least I'll admit I cannot validate that claim.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 20, 2009, 08:11:03 AM
Do you honestly believe that was me stating my personal view? Of course you didn't. You knowingly took this quote out of context.
I'm calling BS - AGAIN. Click on the link above the quote. It takes you directly to the post. I quoted the entire thing. You want me to post the entire thread so people can get the context of your posts? Read the rest of your posts in that thread, there were only 3 other posts (well 4 counting a re-post of the one I quoted). Two of them reiterated that you think MU fans have higher expectations than Virginia fans, and the third one links to Hoopscoop's page that ranks our recruiting class as #1.
Instead, you give me two examples where you had a different opinion on July 26, and Aug 3. Could it be that after having a month of discussions on message boards you finally realized that your expectations were out of wack?
Let me try this again. You asked where you ever suggested 4th place in the big east was a baseline for MU this year. I responded with the exact post where you suggested it.
And because of that, you claim I'm taking you out of context.
I'm not a politician, you're the one trying to pull a fast one. I can understand it if someone wants to post something sarcastic, but you claim you did it for multiple posts in multiple threads. Perhaps your humor knows no bounds.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 20, 2009, 08:11:03 AM
Nonetheless, I'll take some of the blame since you still found a way to misinterpret that July 1st post. Allow me to be more direct for you:
Gee, thanks for take the high road in all of this.
Anyhow, is Kahlil on campus yet :P
One starter back (Lazar). One second year player (Butler) back who we can't call a starter. One bench player in David Cubillan, who started by default some, but isn't a starter.... Two injured non-starters (Otule and Fulce)... And 7 (and maybe 8) new players. Kind of hard to compare to the freshman year of the 3 amigos to this year.
Plus, it only works out once in a while when you inject 3 new starters (none of whom are top 25 type of recruits), so to say "it worked once so it should work again" is not an honest comparison.
Actually, the three amigo's freshman year, I think we only had two new starters for most of the year: James and McNeal as Matthews only started a few games. This year we'll start 3 or 4 new guys all year, and they won't all be guards... non guards generally take a little longer to adjust. Plus, this year the first bench players will probably be first year players.
I hope you can come back and say told you so, and it works out the same as 4 years ago. I just don't expect it or compare it, since most of the time having 3 or more new starters equals a long season. And this year is a lot different with the number of new players who will have to start and contribute. Four years ago was the exception and TC should be given props for it, along with James and McNeal and Matthews.
Soooooooo....instead of this pissing match that this thread has devolved into, does anyone have any info on whether or not the Kahlil McDonald signing is going to happen or not. I'd heard a rumor that he was a backup signing in case Junior wasn't going to be eligible. Now that Junior has been cleared, anyone have any idea if this is going to happen still?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 20, 2009, 11:22:22 AM
I'm calling BS - AGAIN. Click on the link above the quote. It takes you directly to the post. I quoted the entire thing. You want me to post the entire thread so people can get the context of your posts? Read the rest of your posts in that thread, there were only 3 other posts (well 4 counting a re-post of the one I quoted). Two of them reiterated that you think MU fans have higher expectations than Virginia fans, and the third one links to Hoopscoop's page that ranks our recruiting class as #1.
Instead, you give me two examples where you had a different opinion on July 26, and Aug 3. Could it be that after having a month of discussions on message boards you finally realized that your expectations were out of wack?
Let me try this again. You asked where you ever suggested 4th place in the big east was a baseline for MU this year. I responded with the exact post where you suggested it.
And because of that, you claim I'm taking you out of context.
I'm not a politician, you're the one trying to pull a fast one. I can understand it if someone wants to post something sarcastic, but you claim you did it for multiple posts in multiple threads. Perhaps your humor knows no bounds.
Gee, thanks for take the high road in all of this.
Anyhow, is Kahlil on campus yet :P
I thought I remembered 84 moving the goal posts on this subject. Kudos on the research that outed him.
But 75% of the people can't be wrong? ;)
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/9917528/Marquette-rebuilding-with-anonymous-group
Quote from: Kramerica on August 20, 2009, 12:58:35 PM
Soooooooo....instead of this pissing match that this thread has devolved into, does anyone have any info on whether or not the Kahlil McDonald signing is going to happen or not. I'd heard a rumor that he was a backup signing in case Junior wasn't going to be eligible. Now that Junior has been cleared, anyone have any idea if this is going to happen still?
I've heard similar information to Mark Miller. If this commitment were to happen, there's a lot that needs to take place, and this is taken with the Cadougan clearance as known information.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 20, 2009, 11:22:22 AM
I'm calling BS - AGAIN. Click on the link above the quote. It takes you directly to the post. I quoted the entire thing. You want me to post the entire thread so people can get the context of your posts? Read the rest of your posts in that thread, there were only 3 other posts (well 4 counting a re-post of the one I quoted). Two of them reiterated that you think MU fans have higher expectations than Virginia fans, and the third one links to Hoopscoop's page that ranks our recruiting class as #1.
Instead, you give me two examples where you had a different opinion on July 26, and Aug 3. Could it be that after having a month of discussions on message boards you finally realized that your expectations were out of wack?
Your exhaustive search failed to point out that on July 4th I was saying the same thing I'm saying now:
Quote from: Marquette84 on July 04, 2009, 12:48:37 PM
I am not forecasting 4th place. I'm questioning why those who said Crean underachieved haven't adopted Crean's performance as their minimum standard.
Big difference.
If you still want to maintain that 4th place was my original view--then please at least do so with the understanding that I changed sometime between July 1 and July 4-not after a month as you claim.
There's probably nothing more I can do to change your mind. I wish I had put a stake in the ground sometime prior to that July 1 post--but I didn't. All i can tell you is that I never believed 4th place--but I thought it was hypocritical for those who claim we've improved coaching and recruiting to not adopt that as their standard.
It also doesn't change the fundamental issue here--that Lenny was misrepresenting what I have said pretty consistently--if not for all time, at very least since July 4th.
Getting Lenny to admit that is a non-starter so you might as well give up that dream.
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 20, 2009, 05:12:54 PM
Your exhaustive search failed to point out that on July 4th I was saying the same thing I'm saying now:
If you still want to maintain that 4th place was my original view--then please at least do so with the understanding that I changed sometime between July 1 and July 4-not after a month as you claim.
There's probably nothing more I can do to change your mind. I wish I had put a stake in the ground sometime prior to that July 1 post--but I didn't. All i can tell you is that I never believed 4th place--but I thought it was hypocritical for those who claim we've improved coaching and recruiting to not adopt that as their standard.
It also doesn't change the fundamental issue here--that Lenny was misrepresenting what I have said pretty consistently--if not for all time, at very least since July 4th.
One more time. Based on what I have seen so far I think Buzz is a better coach and recruiter than TC. I do not, however, believe that MU must finish 4th or higher in the Big East this year for this to be so. According to you this makes me a hypocrite. According to me this makes you illogical.
It's certainly defensible for you to be of the opinion that Buzz has to finish 4th or better this year to be Crean's equal or better. But to claim hypocrisy because someone finds this opinion off base is nonsense.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 20, 2009, 09:34:38 PM
Getting Lenny to admit that is a non-starter so you might as well give up that dream.
There you go again crushing someone's dream.
Gossip wire update: This is not going to happen.
FWIW.
MU-hilltopper is this something you have heard, or is that just your hunch.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on August 23, 2009, 04:57:44 PM
MU-hilltopper is this something you have heard, or is that just your hunch.
He did say "gossip", so I'm guessing it's based on something.
With BR out of the picture I say bank the scholly for next year and land either a PG or 1 of the 3 Big men we're currently in on. (or both and oversign by 1)