NDSU has an RPI of 110.
Their record is 13-6 with a projected end of season record of 21-7.
It will always be a bad loss, just like it was for Bucky last year. However, lots of teams had improbable "bad" losses in November and December. Ours was one of the worst, and is probably keeping us out of the top 10, but it will be nothing but an embarrassing footnote at the end of the year.
I think it sounds worse than it was, only because when it happened people said, "North Dakota State? Who's that?" But this is a school that beat UW last year.
UW's loss last year did not count for RPI purposes as NDSU was still a provisional NCAA team. As such, the committee never "saw" that game. If they had, UW's seeding would have dropped. While 110 is not bad for our RPI this year, the loss still looks and smells bad for the NCAA committee as it was here at the BC.
Excuse me? The NDSU is a bad loss ...team outside the top 100 at home. = bad loss. Win that game and right now we are in the top 10 in the rnakings and a projected 2 seed. It will most likely have a similar negative affect at the end of the season possibly causing us to be 1 seed lower than we would had we won. Bad loss no matter how you cut it! Is it the end of the world ...no...bad loss no doubt.
Its a bad loss but I don't know how much of an impact it will have on our seeding. It was 1 game, a blip on the radar especially when compared to our entire schedule. A far bigger impact on our seeding is the number of quality road/neutral wins we have already.
With five road wins in conference play, the win at Valpo, and neutral court wins over Duke and Texas Tech ..... While its a bad loss, I doubt the NDSU loss matters much anymore. Few teams win on the road consistently -- MU is a notable exception this season.
especially this year, it seems like almost every road game for a top 25 team has been close or a loss...MU is one of the only teams that has been consistent on neutral and away courts...that should definitely play a bigger factor once it's time for seeding than that blip against NDSU who really does enjoy beating teams out of WI
agreed. And MU is also 7-3 against the RPI top 100......including 4-1 against the top 50. Good stuff
Iowa's RPI is 114.
Quote from: marqfan22 on January 30, 2007, 11:09:33 AM
Iowa's RPI is 114.
Right, and that's where I think fans get hung up - on names. Sure the media, and some crappy analysts will say "they lost to NDSU? WTF?", but I really do think the selection committee is a sharp group that would look at all the numbers and realize exactly where NDSU stands.
That's not saying it's not a bad loss (though if they can manage to get their RPI < 100 it becomes less of a stinger), but it's not as bad as many casual fans may think it is.
A bigger focus (by us) really should be how HUGE it was to get the Idaho St win. Without that, we never would have had a chance at TT and Duke, and the loss would be worse (RPI wise) than NDSU.
NDSU was a bad loss for sure, but Kansas losing to Oral Roberts at Kansas is right up there with our NDSU loss. Kansas is ranked #6 in the nation, and you never hear about that loss they had to OR. I haven't checked Oral Roberts RPI, but it can't be great.
Quote from: MUFanInGreenBay on January 30, 2007, 11:26:01 AM
I haven't checked Oral Roberts RPI, but it can't be great.
Good point, and proof that it's important for NDSU to get to a sub 100 number. Right now, oral is 96.
we can't look back on that loss and think of where we would be if we won that game because who knows how it would have affected this team.
nobody mentions that this team was not playing like a team during that time and was in desperate need of a wake up call to start getting on track. say Marquette squeaks that one out, and we are in the top ten, but still not playing like a team. one could argue then that we lose the game at Pitt and at south Florida. i know it's a stretch, but we can't look back on that and think if we won that game we would be a 2 seed. If we lost that game, but were looking like a dominate team at the time, then i can agree with all these arguments, but the truth is Marquette needed a couple kicks in the rear at the beginning of the year.
i don't believe there is such thing as a good loss, but there are positives to take out of every game. i think the good that losing to NDSU was that it really started the coaching staff to put the screws to the team and it finally took shape 2 games into the big east. if we win against NDSU, maybe that development process starts later and we are still going through it now.
just a theory
Quote from: Nukem2 on January 30, 2007, 10:07:25 AM
UW's loss last year did not count for RPI purposes as NDSU was still a provisional NCAA team. As such, the committee never "saw" that game. If they had, UW's seeding would have dropped. While 110 is not bad for our RPI this year, the loss still looks and smells bad for the NCAA committee as it was here at the BC.
Actually that is not true. Last year's loss to NDSU didn't show up in the RPI, but most assuredly the committee takes it into account. That is the danger of playing DII schools.
Quote from: MUFanInGreenBay on January 30, 2007, 11:26:01 AM
NDSU was a bad loss for sure, but Kansas losing to Oral Roberts at Kansas is right up there with our NDSU loss. Kansas is ranked #6 in the nation, and you never hear about that loss they had to OR. I haven't checked Oral Roberts RPI, but it can't be great.
No one talks about the Kansas loss because everyone knows Bill Self couldn't coach an NBA team into the Elite 8. They will lose, and lose early in the tournament, again.
I also agree that it would be beneficial for NDSU to get in the top 100 RPI - hopefully they can do so.
Bottom line, we are complaining about not being a 2 seed when we are currently projected as a 3??? Dang, we are getting spoiled!
I think the loss to ndsu points to the fact that we are still a young team that is talented enough to beat anyone (?), we are young enough to lose to much less talented teams as well. While we bemoan this loss, let's be thankful we pulled out the close ones against Valpo and USF . I think it points to the fact that we are one of those teams that could do some damage in the tournament, if we get past that first round game.
well.. considering NDSU plays their next 5 games on the road.. and are probably favored to win almost all of them as almost all of those opponents are WAY below them in RPI.. and the fact that road wins get multiplied by 1.4... hopefully their RPI will rise a bit.. 10-11 spots is not THAT big of a jump at all.. probably well within the average week-to-week RPI deltas.
"right now, oral is 96." Shouldn't that be reversed? Sorry.