Height w/o Shoes - 6' 1.5"
Height w/shoes - 6' 3"
Weight - 190
Wingspan - 6' 7.25"
Reach - 8' 3.5"
Body Fat - 5.4
No Step Vert (4th best) - 31.5 10' 11"
Max Vertical - 36.5 11' 4"
Bench - 10
Lane Agility - 10.61
3/4 Court Sprint - 3.25
Average Athletic Testing by Position
Primary Position Sample Size No Step Vert Max Vert Bench Press Lane Agility 3/4 Court Sprint
PG 134 29.4 34.9 8.0 11.15 3.21
SG 130 29.7 35.0 10.7 11.31 3.23
SF 108 29.7 34.5 10.8 11.38 3.26
PF 212 28.5 32.8 13.0 11.70 3.31
C 103 26.8 30.7 11.7 12.14 3.43
Overall not bad results, I'm hoping Jerel could possibly shoot up into the high second round or possibly even a late 1st if he continues to perform well.
sorry, for those of us who don't see these numbers often, can you break down what is viewed as excellent in each area. Is the bench a set weight and "10" being the reps? Trusting what you say about this being impressive and possibly pushing him higher, but would just love to understand what the numbers mean.
Sorry for not clarifying in my original post-
Jerel has a pretty nice wingspan for his height, so that will help make up for his height at the SG position which is a bit small for the NBA. It should help him more on defense for sure. His body fat % is fine, most athletes are around 6-13%
There are two versions of the jump tests performed, the standard (no step) vertical jump and one with a step. No step vert he basically just jumps as high as he can in place whereas for the max vert he can step into his jump. His vert surprised me a bit as I never knew he could jump THAT high, so it's always a nice sign for him to be higher there than I expected.
McNeal did 10 reps of 185 lbs which is just under the average for SG. The Lane Agility test measures how fast a player moves laterally around the key in which Jerel was also above averages for all positions. 3/4 court sprint is pretty self-explanatory and he's right around the averge.
But overall it's nice to see JM higher up in some of the combine results than some might have expected prior to the tests. What I like most is his wingspan which I think will definitely aid him when playing D in the pros. Best of luck to Jerel and I hope he does well in workouts.
Good work Jerel.......although only 10 reps at 185? with all that work in the weight room with T. Smith he should be putting up way more than that.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on June 04, 2009, 07:12:49 AM
Good work Jerel.......although only 10 reps at 185? with all that work in the weight room with T. Smith he should be putting up way more than that.
he is a basketball player and not a body builder.
no reason to push that much weight... especially at SG
You don't necessarily need to be strong to be great in this league (Kevin Durant put up 185 once or twice I believe), but for a guy that is 6ft 200lbs 185 is a joke, at a minimum he should be able to put up his own body weight at least 10-15 times.
Scratch that.......I'm an idiot; disregard what I just said.
He's 190 and put up 185 10x; not the best but okay.
Larry Bird couldn't bench 150 lbs. If you can play, you can play. Jerel is strong enough. Talented enough? Time will tell.
Go Warriors.
Quote from: Warrior Forever on June 04, 2009, 10:10:56 AM
Larry Bird couldn't bench 150 lbs. If you can play, you can play. Jerel is strong enough. Talented enough? Time will tell.
Go Warriors.
agreed... but that was a different time also... everyone was a stick back then.
Is Jerel still looking at shooting guard or will NBA teams try and turn him PG?
Rosiak stated that he was to work out with Ty Lawson, Jrue Holliday and Eric Maynor when he worked out with the Bucks.
There were a couple of comments on another thread that made a good point, teams may want him to turn into a Rando type player. Looking at his physical capabilities, I think he'd work fine as a PG as well. Either way, good performance and his versatility will be a plus as a potential PG/SG (he does have to work on court vision and ball control though immensely to become a PG in the pros, but still another option).
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 04, 2009, 11:16:04 AM
agreed... but that was a different time also... everyone was a stick back then.
Yeah, "stick" comes to mind with a guy like Magic Johnson.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on June 04, 2009, 08:32:29 AM
You don't necessarily need to be strong to be great in this league (Kevin Durant put up 185 once or twice I believe), but for a guy that is 6ft 200lbs 185 is a joke, at a minimum he should be able to put up his own body weight at least 10-15 times.
Actually,
I think Durant failed to lift 185 once...
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on June 04, 2009, 08:32:29 AM
You don't necessarily need to be strong to be great in this league (Kevin Durant put up 185 once or twice I believe), but for a guy that is 6ft 200lbs 185 is a joke, at a minimum he should be able to put up his own body weight at least 10-15 times.
Can you put up your own body weight 10-15 times?
Anyways, Durant didn't put it up once. Bench press numbers however are a terrible measure of strength for a basketball player since you never really make that motion in a game. I think squat, or leg press would be a better measure for a bball player, however I understand that is a different muscle group.
And yes MayorMcheese......I am 165lbs and can put up 210lbs 10x (3 sets) and I am no great athlete or muscle bound meathead....so I would take it that bench press was not a focal point of his strength and conditioning and like others have said "If you can play then you can play", no matter how much or little strength you have.
Could the bench press be another indicator of someone's work ethic? at least in the weight room. Just another piece of the puzzle
Mcneal is a supposed gym rat so I doubt its a question of work ethic and more likely an outcome of program design.
Quote from: muarmy81 on June 04, 2009, 11:39:58 AM
Actually,
I think Durant failed to lift 185 once...
Could Novak bench 185????
I think it also needs to be said that the taller you are/longer arms you have the harder it is to bench press your own body weight. Basketball players tend to have long arms so it's no surprise that the bench press reps seem low. Benching favors a compact arm movement...guys with long arms struggle at it as well as doing pushups. You have to move the weight a lot farther.
ATL is right......shorter limbs have a distinct advantage because of the distance the weight must travel, as well as increased leverage. Either way Jerel did pretty good; could you imagine if he had DJ's athleticism? he would be a lottery lock. Man I am really going to miss the three amigos.....I loved those guys.
completely agree CAIN...
what a shame TC could give them a big guy or two to work with. Oh the potential.
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on June 04, 2009, 05:28:01 PM
And yes MayorMcheese......I am 165lbs and can put up 210lbs 10x (3 sets) and I am no great athlete or muscle bound meathead....so I would take it that bench press was not a focal point of his strength and conditioning and like others have said "If you can play then you can play", no matter how much or little strength you have.
You sound like one when you put up your own bench press statistics. Not meant to be inflammatory, just informative.
Strength is very importand for inside play around the hoop----helps positioning nad finishing around the hoop -----however not as important for a perimeter player. McNeal has adequate strength for where he will play-----more important for him is to be more consistent on his trey shooting.
maybe you're right Milwarrior, maybe you're right ;)
CAINMUTINY... Just wondering if you noticed that depending on position, the players at the combine lifted 10-12 times... in 1 set!
Obviously someone like yourself could lift more weight, more times if they're split up into a few sets.
Get ripped this weekend! I'll be putting some down while you're putting some weight up.
Tom.....you must have misread what I wrote. I was saying that I put it up 10+ times in each of my three sets (which is more difficult that say only one set) which would conclude I could put it up more than 10-12 times in one set. Lets move on from this......
Quote from: CAINMUTINY on June 05, 2009, 09:48:39 AM
Tom.....you must have misread what I wrote. I was saying that I put it up 10+ times in each of my three sets (which is more difficult that say only one set) which would conclude I could put it up more than 10-12 times in one set. Lets move on from this......
I disagree, I want to see you guys have a message board about the amount of weight you can each put up. Fight. Fight. Fight.
10 reps is about average for the guards. Jerel will have zero problems due to lack of strength......he actually bested Wade in this measurement (he put up 9).