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A look back, Marquette's history with top 100 recruits....Part Two, the 1990s

Written by: noreply@blogger.com (bma725)

Late yesterday, Rivals.com updated their class of 2010 rankings, and it looks like Buzz Williams (with an assist from Dale Layer) was way ahead of the game on everyone, as previously unheralded commit Aaron Bowen is now ranked #79 in the class of 2010 top 150 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=83318&Sport=2).  Bowen was also recently upgraded to 4-Star status on Scout.com, (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=4065276) and while they haven't come out with a full top 100 for the 2010 class yet, he's a sure thing to be included in that list.

With that in mind, we continue with part two of our look back at Marquette's history with top 100 recruits through the last few decades, this time a look back at the decade that brought Marquette back from the dead...the 1990s.  For those of you who missed Part One, it is available here (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2009/05/look-back-marquettes-history-with-top.html).

Once again, a few notes before we go on:

• There was a bit of a problem with some players in this decade, mostly because of the lack of ability to find complete information.  Several players are listed as receiving All American honors in their biography, but since I can't find complete information, I don't know the number of players that received those honors...and in some cases I don't know what team they made.  In particular, Roney Eford (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/roney_eford), Kenynon "Shane" Littles (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/shane_littles), DeMarcus Minor (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/demarcus_minor), Bart Miller (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/bart_miller) and Jon Harris (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/jon_harris).   I have a vague recollection that at least Eford and Littles were considered to be "Top 100" players by some, but since I can't prove it you won't see them below.  If anyone can find some other information let me know and I'll do an update.

• For one player in particular below, you will see a generic rank of just Top 100.  Unfortunately for that particular year the list I found was in alphabetic order not in terms of rank.  Because of that, I couldn't really categorize him in either group and have left him as an unknown.
  

• Since it may come up, I'm only counting players that enrolled or attempted to enroll in the University, not just verbal commitments.  That means you're not getting an opinion on Ledaryl Billingsley (http://www.tulanegreenwave.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/billingsley_ledaryl00.html) no matter how bitter many of you still are about his decision (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-6531304.html).
  

• As a reminder, transfer players are counted with the class they effectively joined when they came to Marquette.  That means in this particular ranking you will see some players that were ranked in the 1980s, but they are listed here because they became eligible at Marquette in the 1990s.
  

• As with Part One, there is a legend for the abbreviations, This time I've edited it to only include those services that apply to this decade.  Again, click for a better view.

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Now that we've gotten the formalities out of the way, I present the "Top 100" players of the 1990s.  Click the image for a better view.


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So, as you can see right away, we do have a greater number of Top 100 recruits in the 1990s than we had in the 1980s.  Also, just looking at the rankings independent of the results, while there are more players they are not necessarily as highly ranked as those from the 1980s.  We'll have to see if they can outdo the earlier players in terms of living up to the hype.

The Hits(in chronological order)

• Ron Curry (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/ron_curry) - His first year at Arizona wasn't exactly stellar, but he made up for it with three very good years at Marquette when he decided to follow Kevin O'Neill  (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/kevin_o_neill)to Milwaukee.  He led Marquette in scoring and rebounding as a senior, scored over 1000 points in his career despite only playing three years, and was twice named All Conference in the Great Midwest.  Truly one of the more under rated players in Marquette history.

• Damon Key  (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/damon_key)- One of the most consistent players in Marquette history.  He's still ranked in the top 10 in both scoring and rebounding despite last playing in a game over 15 years ago.  Key was named All Conference in his final three years and led Marquette in scoring three of his four years.  He was also one of 25 finalists for the John Wooden award as a senior.

• Robb Logterman (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/robb_logterman) - Scored in double figures three of his four years, including 10.7 PPG as a freshman despite having to play most of the season out of position.  Really though, he made his mark as a long range shooter.  Logterman finished his career as the career leader in 3 Point Field Goals Made, 3 Point Field Goals Attempted, and was 4th in career 3 Point shooting percentage.
  

• Jim McIlvaine (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/jim_mcilvaine) - Averaged 10.8 PPG, 5.7 RPG and 4.3 blocks for his career.  First in career blocks at Marquette and 18th in NCAA history.  Also the Marquette leader in career field goal percentage.  Great Midwest Player of the Year, Hank Iba National Defensive Player of the Year, and AP Honorable Mention All American as a senior.  Was a second round pick of the Washington Bullets and played 7 years in the NBA.
  

• Anthony Pieper (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/anthony_pieper) - Probably more hyped in Wisconsin than nationally because he was the all time leading scorer in high school history.  I don't know that he lived up to the local hype, but in terms of living up to the "Top 100" ranking, he did.  A bench player his freshman year, he was a double figure scorer his final three years and when he graduated was among the top 20 in Marquette history despite missing games his senior year due to injury.
  

• Chris Crawford (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/chris_crawford) - I'm sure there will be many that disagree with me, especially those that watched Crawford play his first two years.  But I'd argue that his final two years, and his pre-injury NBA career point to the fact that the experts got it right.  Crawford was the teams leading scorer with 14.9 PPG as a senior, and went on to be drafted in the 2nd Round of the NBA draft by the Atlanta Hawks.  He played 7 seasons in the NBA and was on his way to a nice career before being derailed by a knee injury in 2001 and again in 2004.

• Aaron Hutchins (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/aaron_hutchins) - Who can forget his game winning three pointer at Louisville in 1996, or his performance against Auburn in the first round of the 1995 NIT.  He finished his career 11th all time in points, and in the top 10 in steals and assists.  Who knows what could have happened back in 1995 if Mike Deane had started using him earlier in the season, or how far MU could have gone in 1998 had he not been in that car accident. (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-6621879.html)

• Brian Wardle (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/brian_wardle) - One of the best scorers in MU history, Wardle finished his career 3rd in All Time scoring at Marquette, and 2nd in Conference USA history.  He led the team in scoring his final three years and was named All Conference as both a junior and senior.  Additionally, he was named the Conference USA Freshman of the year, one of only two Marquette players ever to earn that award.

• Cordell Henry (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/cordell_henry) - Maybe a bit controversial, but like Chris Crawford, I think the final two years of his career showed what those high school scouts saw back at Whitney Young.  After a slow start, he averaged 11.2 PPG and 2.7 APG for his career.  He was second on the team in scoring as both a junior and a senior and earned all conference honors both years.  He ranks in the top 20 in points and top 10 in assists all time.

The Misses(again, chronological order)

• Keith Stewart (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/keith_stewart) - One of the state of Wisconsin's more heralded prospects in the 1980s, Stewart initially attended Purdue.  As a part time starter, he averaged 3.2 PPG and 2.1 APG his freshman year.  Stewart transferred to Marquette with the assumption being he would be the starter at point guard the following year.  Instead he played sparingly before being suspended by the University and then dismissed.  He ended up transferring before the end of the first semester, and eventually ended up at California-Irvine.

• William Gates (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/william_gates?s=gates) - I don't know that anyone could have lived up to the hype he had coming out of high school.  He was supposed to be the next Isaiah Thomas, and most thought the HoopScoop (http://www.hoopscooponline.com/members/top100classof1991.html) ranking he received was a bit low due to his injuries.  Unfortunately he never really recovered and he was unable to turn into the player most thought he would.  He was mostly a defensive specialist his first two years before leaving the team as a junior.  When he returned as a senior further injuries kept him from really contributing.

• Zack McCall (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/zack_mccall) - Originally committed to Syracuse as a football player, the athletic potential seemed unlimited.  Unfortunately it didn't work out.  He was a bench player for two years with a career high of 13 points, before he tested positive for marijuana during the 1996 NCAA Tournament.  He was suspended for the following season, and ended up transferring Huron College in South Dakota where he was a Division II NAIA All American as a senior.

• Richard Shaw (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/richard_shaw) - He was a bench player without many notable contributions his first two years and a part time starter his final two.  Never averaged double figures in points or contributed significantly off the glass.  Was a decent shot blocker who currently is 8th All Time in Senior Season Blocked Shots.

The Unknown

• Alton Mason (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/alton_mason) - I'm sure some of you are saying, who the heck is Alton Mason?  Most don't remember him, but those that do recall that was supposed to be Mason manning the role of point guard when Mike Deane wanted to slide Aaron Hutchins over to shooting guard his final two years instead of Marcus West (http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/marcus_west).  It didn't work out that way, as Mason had academic issues and ended up transferring before even playing a game.  He ended up playing three years at Arizona State (http://thesundevils.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/mason_alton00.html), where he finished 10th All Time in Assists and 6th in Steals while scoring 13.4 PPG as a senior.  Given what he did at Arizona State, and the fact that I only have a general ranking for him, I'm leaning towards counting him as a hit, but I'm willing to hear arguments from either side.  Maybe we could get Marquette assistant Tony Benford  (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/benford_tony00.html)to weigh in, since he coached Mason for a portion of his career at ASU.
  

So there you have it.  The breakdown is much better this time around.  Throwing out Mason, there are 13 "Top 100" recruits in the 1990s.  The success rate was much better this time around, with 9 of the 13 players turning out to be hits for a rate of 69.2%.  If you include Mason, the rate jumps to 71.4%.  So far, through two decades, the success rate of all "Top 100" recruits is at 56% a significant increase over just the 1980s.  We'll have to see if that holds up in the future.

One final note, I think a couple of people misunderstood what I was trying to say in Part One. When I classified a player as a miss, what I'm looking at is whether or not the so called recruiting gurus got their projections right. A player can still be a respectable player and not live up to the hype that is created by achieving a certain ranking.  That's not to impugn his character, but rather to show how inexact a science recruiting rankings really are.  Further, the fact of the matter is it's easier for a player that is ranked say 95th to live up to that than it is for a top 20 player, and that is reflected in the analysis.  That doesn't mean I have it out for a player or dislike a particular player, it's just the way the perception of these rankings works.

Look for Part Three early next week.



http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2009/05/look-back-marquettes-history-with-top_15.html

I just want to say that these articles are absolutely excellent (even though I was considered a miss!)

This is really strong work. I'm sure I speak for everyone on the board when I say thanks and great job.

Biggest winner in the 90's by far was McIlvaine or maybe his agent who somehow grabbed 36 big ones for Jim.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 15, 2009, 01:55:00 PM
Biggest winner in the 90's by far was McIlvaine or maybe his agent who somehow grabbed 36 big ones for Jim.

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/readers/signings.html

Alton Mason was  adefinite hit had areally nice career at ASU.  Additionally Eford, and the others that you list were not top 100 players ecxept for Demarcus Minor.  He was top 100 and had a pretty darn nice career after transferring

I don't remember the situation with Shane Littles.  What was his story?  Did he ever play? Why did he leave?

I find it amazing that Pieper ended up making more of a name for himself through tough defense rather than offense.  A great all-around player.  His HS scoring records won't be touched for a LOOOOOONG time!

Quote from: ondo10 on May 16, 2009, 07:49:38 PM
I don't remember the situation with Shane Littles.  What was his story?  Did he ever play? Why did he leave?

He played very sparingly as a freshman on the Sweet Sixteen team, and then depending on who you believe was either academically ineligible or suspended as a sophomore before transferring. 

I say depending on who you believe because last year someone from Littles family or maybe even Littles himself(the name was klittles..perhaps Kenynon) came on the board claiming that the Wiki was wrong and he was never academically ineligible.  Instead he supposedly was suspended for violating unspecified team rules.  There was supposedly a MU Tribune article that mentioned it but no one has been able to recall it outside of the family member.

Further, I'm not exactly sure the time line was right.  They had him transferring before the end of 1994, but the season wrap up for that year in 1995 done by the MJS had him as part of the team still. 

In the end, I'm not sure anyone really knows....except maybe Chicos.

Enjoyed reading the article. This covers the time I was at MU.

I remember the Alton Mason signing...it was a REAL downer it didn't work out for both MU and Mason. But I do wonder the impact I might have had on Hutchins' PT.

But was Tony Miller not ranked especially high or even at all?

I thought he was a SS (honorable) AA?

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on May 17, 2009, 03:03:43 AM
But was Tony Miller not ranked especially high or even at all?

I thought he was a SS (honorable) AA?

Nothing I could find to back that up.  He had been highly ranked when he was younger, he was one of the top freshman and sophomores in the country.  But by his senior year he'd dropped out of the top 100 and most thought he was making a mistake giving up football at Nebraska or Michigan for basketball at Marquette.

Quote from: bma725 on May 17, 2009, 11:59:16 AM
Nothing I could find to back that up.  He had been highly ranked when he was younger, he was one of the top freshman and sophomores in the country.  But by his senior year he'd dropped out of the top 100 and most thought he was making a mistake giving up football at Nebraska or Michigan for basketball at Marquette.

BMA, I looked up my old Street & Smith magazines.  Miller was high honorable mention by S&S in its 90-91 edition going into Tony's senior season.  In its 91-92 edition's list of "Where scholastic stars are going",    Tony was listed in the "Best of the Rest for the Midwest".  S&S broke down the regions by all-region, best of the rest for the region, and "more" for the region.  There are 60 players when you add up the all-regions categories and the Best of the Rest categories.  Note that there were very few in these categories for the East and West regions.  Obviously Dave Krider was watching when he made up the lists.
   
As such, I would say that Tony was in Dave Krider's/S&S's Top 60.